would you buy a 9mm revolver?


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default57
December 19, 2010, 03:13 AM
would you buy a dedicated 9mm for concealed carry, or as an addition to your other 9mm?

- good quality, etc.
- none of the said problems of the 905
- 5 rounds
- 2" barrel
- Double Action/Single Action (perhaps shrouded hammer or internal DAO)
- 500 $
- 17 oz

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Jorg Nysgerrig
December 19, 2010, 03:24 AM
Sounds like you are describing the old SP-101.

Safjac
December 19, 2010, 03:42 AM
Nope. I have all that in my Taurus 651, except it is as backup for my .357 Mag Rugers

- good quality, etc.
- none of the said problems of the 905
- 5 rounds
- 2" barrel
- Double Action/Single Action (perhaps shrouded hammer or internal DAO)
- 500 $
- 25 oz
- .357 Magnum

In any case, I'm not overwhelmingly a fan of revolvers chambered for semi-auto ammo (or vice versa).

bigfatdave
December 19, 2010, 03:49 AM
Nope, I have enough guns in 9mm and no real interest in revolvers except as companions to leverguns anyway.

I am not your target demographic.

DasFriek
December 19, 2010, 04:13 AM
Whats a revolver? Does it help load my mags or something?

ironhead7544
December 19, 2010, 06:54 AM
Yes. But it should have the proper length cylinder for the cartridge. I would prefer the 9mm over the 38 Special as the revolver gives higher velocities with the 9mm. I know it doesnt make sense but it is a fact. With the right load the 2 inch revolver gives about the same speed as a 4 inch autoloader. A S&W with a concealed hammer and a model 32 cylinder in 9mm would be just right, IMHO.

jon86
December 19, 2010, 06:58 AM
I voted no. I don't like moon clips, but I feel pretty proficient with speedloaders. If somebody would make a 9mm speedloader and if the revolver was NOT cut for moon clips, then I may consider buying one.

Until then, I like 38 special just fine.

mcdonl
December 19, 2010, 06:58 AM
It is on my list. I love the 9mm round.

bigfatdave
December 19, 2010, 07:01 AM
Can I have one in Tokarev, just for fun?

EHCRain10
December 19, 2010, 07:19 AM
Can we get a lever action rifle to go with it?

OldMac
December 19, 2010, 07:27 AM
Absolutely. The abundance of cheap and variety of ammo makes it a good choice. A perfect excuse to add another revolver. Same goes for BFD's Tokarev revolver. What a hoot.

esq_stu
December 19, 2010, 07:35 AM
I have had a 905 and two Speed Sixes in 9mm. I liked the Ruger but it was too heavy to be a daily carry. The 905 was terrible (stuck cases, failures to fire, rounds fall out of the clips when stored).

My keepers are reliable guns that I will gladly carry. If it isn't both, no thanks.

therewolf
December 19, 2010, 07:49 AM
Not likely. I don't see the need to tailor my life to the anticipation

of running into a BG. IMO, dedicated concealed weapons for SD are

inaccurate and of little value for anything else. As a target shooter, I just

don't like them.



That said, I actually really like the 9mm Luger round. Costs a lot less than a

.45 to practice with, and the new high capacity magazines make a CCW a one

magazine situation. Without going into model specifics, many new 9mm pistols

have 17,18, or even 20 round magazines. Pretty much three times the ammo

in the pistol as a wheel gun, and, to my estimation, more than enough to

mount a strong stand in self defense.

KosmicKrunch
December 19, 2010, 07:50 AM
I voted no, I am not a huge fan of 9mm anything except the 9mm Kurtz (.380 acp) and even that, I just have one. I prefer either .38 special in a rev or a .45 acp in a 1911a1.

Therewolf: Actually, my .45 with the ACE conversion costs much less than 9mm Luger being that it shoots .22lr and even provides the kick like a 45.

I just do not believe the 9mm is an effective round for target or SD. For target I much prefer the .38 special. For SD I prefer the Para Nitehog in .45acp loaded hot using XTP bullets.

Ole Coot
December 19, 2010, 07:50 AM
Wouldn't consider it. I have enough nines and high cap. I carry the 45 1911.

Nushif
December 19, 2010, 07:57 AM
I am scraping together the money for one right now. 9mm is the only round I reload, and there are revolvers that don't use moon clips.

Not to mention that I do love a nice snubbie.

Creature
December 19, 2010, 08:02 AM
I would buy one in a minute.

cambeul41
December 19, 2010, 08:12 AM
I did not vote because I am not in the market for a revolver. I if were, I would give it consideration.

bigfatdave
December 19, 2010, 08:34 AM
Same goes for BFD's Tokarev revolver.
Can we get a lever action rifle to go with it?
I'll take a matching lever and revolver in 9x19NATO or 7.62x25Tok
Hell, I'll buy all 4, someone call Henry Repeating Arms and get them on it!

bracer
December 19, 2010, 08:35 AM
After looking at the reloading data for the 9 MM, 38 Special, and 375 Mag cartridge I decided that I would never get a 9 MM hand gun. The only semi auto I like is the 45 ACP.

bannockburn
December 19, 2010, 08:39 AM
I voted yes mainly because I've always had an interest in the S&W Model 547. Given a choice between the two models (3" round butt or 4" square butt), I would definitely go for the 3" model.

WC145
December 19, 2010, 08:41 AM
Make it around 12-13oz, say a 9mm Ruger LCR, and I'd buy it. I don't have any use for a 17oz 9mm snubby, I already have a custom 13oz scandium frame 9mm snubby.

420Stainless
December 19, 2010, 08:42 AM
Nope. Nothing wrong with them - I just already have some compact .38 Special revolvers. I don't use nines in semiautos so there is no gain in sharing common ammo. It would just be a new caliber for me that covers a niche I feel is already adequately covered for me.

LTR shooter
December 19, 2010, 08:48 AM
Not me , I much prefer to use my semi-auto Sig P239 as a 9mm defensive handgun over any 9 mm revolver.

danez71
December 19, 2010, 08:54 AM
I yes.... but.....

No moon clips. Either a star ejection or even just a plunger at a cheaper price.

I would have bought the Charter Arms Rimmles Revolver. I think it was a few oz lighter too.

therewolf
December 19, 2010, 09:04 AM
Wow, KosmicKrunch who'd have ever thought there would ever be a

convoluted exception to the general rule?

If you're going to shoot 22LR long term anyways, which admittedly is a good way to go for practice, there are 1911s already chambered in 22LR...

Also admittedly, the .45 ACP round and 1911 pistol are well proven for SD.
But that's not what we were discussing here.

Tinpig
December 19, 2010, 09:04 AM
Sure, I'd buy a good concealable 9mm revolver. I have a S&W Model 1917 in .45 ACP, and its a nice complement to my 1911 and more accurate. I have no problem with the moon clips...I can reload faster with them than I can any of my other revolvers.

Tinpig

gunnutery
December 19, 2010, 09:26 AM
I clicked "yes." However my "yes" is only a yes if I was going to be somewhat frivolous in buying a gun. My current stage of life allows me to buy guns occationally, but I try to buy guns/accessories/ammo based on my current need/want or to fill a hole in the versatility of my arsenal.

Sorry to complicate my answer, basically, I'm not opposed to the idea of owning a 9mm revolver. :)

NoirFan
December 19, 2010, 09:27 AM
Yes. But it should have the proper length cylinder for the cartridge.

This is my answer too. A proper length 9mm cylinder would be what, half the length of a standard j-frame cylinder? That's a big increase in ease of concealment.

cbfan87
December 19, 2010, 09:34 AM
I have heard that 9mm handles shorter barrels better than .38 so I would consider it.

LafayetteLA
December 19, 2010, 09:43 AM
I have owned a S&W 9mm revolver (940) and currently own Ruger Speed Six and SP101 and Taurus 905 9mm revolvers. I carry my Ruger LCR and before that my S&W 642.

9mm revolvers are fun to shoot. I am currently looking at a S&W 625, 327 or 627 to use with moon clips. Moonclips, in my opinion, are preferrable to speed loaders. Give moon clips a try before dismissing them. A whole lot of very successful professional revolver competitors can't be wrong.

AK103K
December 19, 2010, 10:00 AM
Ive had my eye out for a 547 for awhile now. I had a couple of 940's when they first came out, and they were trouble. Both failed in the first 200 rounds. Nice idea, just didnt work out.

LafayetteLA
December 19, 2010, 12:49 PM
Ive had my eye out for a 547 for awhile now. I had a couple of 940's when they first came out, and they were trouble. Both failed in the first 200 rounds. Nice idea, just didnt work out.


Sorry to hear of your bad luck with the 940 - mine was very different. I had close to 1,000 rounds with no problems of any kind - the only reason I sold mine was because I was offered 50% more than what I paid for it. My order of preference for the 9mm revolvers that I have personally owned is as follows: Ruger Speed Six and SP101, S&W940 and then Taurus 905. Zero problems with any of them. 905's are easy to find and relatively cheap. I have shot a S&W 547 - very nice but I prefer moonclips.

buck460XVR
December 19, 2010, 01:15 PM
I voted no, because a 9mm revolver would not fill any void that my present firearms do not already cover. Just having something different is not enough reason for me.

default57
December 19, 2010, 02:30 PM
wow are we really at a tie?

AK103K
December 19, 2010, 02:36 PM
Sorry to hear of your bad luck with the 940 - mine was very different.
I got mine when they first came out. I suppose they were having teething problems with them, and I just assumed since they did away with them, they never got it worked out. Liked the idea, just never trusted them after the second gun.

My second gun was the replacement for the first. Unfortunately, it had the exact same issues as the first (parts in the trigger group broke, tying the gun up to the point it had to be disassembled to get the live ammo out). I always assumed that since parts were breaking, it was that the 9mm was just to hot for the gun. Interestingly enough, my second gun had the same serial number as the first, but it was obvious it wasnt the same gun, as the markings were very different. When that one quit, I told them I didnt want it back in 9mm, and they sent me a 642.


I like the idea of a 9mm revolver, simply for the ease of ammo simplicity. I do load .38, but only because I need to for my .38 revolvers. Since I load a lot more 9mm, it would just make it simple if I could practice with a 940 instead of my 642's.

The moon clips are sort of a good thing/bad thing kind of deal. They are fast to load and unload, but they are somewhat bulky (still better than speed loaders though) and you cant get by with speed strips like you can with the .38's. Then again, you actually could with the 547, so the hunt for the 547 is still on. :)

Apple a Day
December 19, 2010, 02:37 PM
Heck yes

General Geoff
December 19, 2010, 02:42 PM
I would absolutely love a Medusa Model 47.

oneounceload
December 19, 2010, 02:58 PM
A scandium frame or similar in weight WITH the shorter chamber previously mentioned, would have me buying one. Curved revolvers, IMO, are a LOT easier to pocket carry concealed

Waywatcher
December 19, 2010, 03:01 PM
I would also love to see one that has a correct length cylinder for 9mm. It would be small and have less freebore before the bullet hit the rifling.

Not just a .357 cylinder rechambered. :barf:

Like an LCR with a stubby short cylinder.

DCB
December 19, 2010, 03:02 PM
A 6 round 9mm... it a minute!

Peace

Waywatcher
December 19, 2010, 03:04 PM
DCB has another good point. Must be 6 rounds.

John Wayne
December 19, 2010, 03:33 PM
Not likely, because no one will ever make one to specifications that take advantage of the cartridge.

In order to justify it, a 9mm revolver would have to:

have a short cylinder designed around the length of the cartridge
use an extractor assembly similar to the S&W 547, to eliminate the need for moon clips
be a J-frame sized gun with a barrel 3" or less
have a barrel diameter and twist rate designed around a 115 gr. .355" bullet

...and still cost the same amount as a comparable .38 SPL revolver.

Marshall
December 19, 2010, 03:34 PM
I'll pass. I'll stick with .38's and .357's in the small frame wheel guns.

cackalak
December 19, 2010, 03:52 PM
No. Zero advantage over .38's.

Waywatcher
December 19, 2010, 03:59 PM
I respectfully disagree, cackalak.

If done right, the gun would have an overall length shorter than any .38 with the same length barrel.

Add in the fact that std. 9mm cranks a bullet out to 1150/1200 fps, instead of 800/900 for a .38, it could be a real winner.

9mm is an efficient little cartridge. Higher pressure than .38, but not higher than .357 mag.

KBintheSLC
December 19, 2010, 04:00 PM
I voted no... for revolvers, I prefer to use cartridges that were designed for revolvers. It is just a matter of taste... I know a few guys that love their auto cartridge revolvers. I am not one of those people.

Chuck Perry
December 19, 2010, 04:16 PM
No thanks. For those that have posted about the 9mm beating out the 38 Special in same size guns, I wonder what magic is at work here? The 9mm is running at much greater chamber pressure than the 38. Standard 38's are in the 15K CUP range. +P takes that up around 19K. 9mm rounds run around 30K CUP. The 357 Magnum does an average of 37K give or take. Does the 9mm outclass the Magnum in same sized guns? If so, does this indicate that the 9mm somehow makes more efficient use of it's smaller powder charge than the magnum does of it's larger one?
If the 38 Special were loaded to it's capacity, I think it could keep up with the 9mm no problem. Maybe even outpace it. It is capable of being loaded to 357 Magnum pressure/speed and fired in strong guns. I've experimented with this myself. The problem with this is you can't have these rounds floating around and finding their way into a Charter Arms Undercover or similar "weak" guns. So I doubt we'll ever see such cartridges offered up by the factorys.
The 9mm revolver only makes sense in that it allows the use of a standard cartridge running at the higher pressure that the 38 needs to be but can't.

cackalak
December 19, 2010, 04:22 PM
Waywatcher - On paper, sure, the 9mm is a more modern cartridge. But in real life, is that extra 200fps and 100ft/lb going to matter? I really doubt it, but I could be wrong.

Grey Morel
December 19, 2010, 04:25 PM
Why would I do something silly like that?

I already have a 10mm revolver, and as we all know, that's 1mm better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/mrtrooper/OTHER%20gear/NightGuard-1.jpg

AK103K
December 19, 2010, 04:28 PM
For those that have posted about the 9mm beating out the 38 Special in same size guns, I wonder what magic is at work here?
For me, thats easy, 10+ rounds of 127 grain +P+ in a Glock 26. Thats the magic. :)

For the revolver, it really doesnt make any difference, if both work.

Grey Morel
December 19, 2010, 04:53 PM
Look up real chronograph data for 38spl and 9mm in 2" and 3" barrels. It looks like this:

115 grain bullets (velocity):

38----9
675---950
850---1020

125 grain bullets (velocity):

38----9
720---900
850---990

results:

115:
2" bbl - 9mm = 275 fps faster = 99 ft-lbs more energy
3" bbl - 9mm = 170 fps faster = 90 ft-lbs more energy

125:
2" bbl - 9mm = 180 fps faster = 73 ft-lbs more energy
3" bbl - 9mm = 140 fps faster = 67 ft-lbs more energy

There is no denying that 9mm blows the doors off of 38spl in barrels of 3" or less. Its not 'Magic', its called physics.

The 10mm does even better, gaining 130 ft-lbs over the best 9mm load in 2" barrels. Its still a 350 ft-lb gun, even from a snub barrel. ;)

RidgwayCO
December 19, 2010, 05:22 PM
I'm in the process of creating a M649-3 "convertible". It will have separate cylinders for .357 Magnum and 9mm Luger. Here's hoping it turns out well...

LafayetteLA
December 19, 2010, 05:24 PM
I'm in the process of creating a M649-3 "convertible". It will have separate cylinders for .357 Magnum and 9mm Luger. Here's hoping it turns out well...


Would be very interested in hearing how this turns out.

WC145
December 19, 2010, 08:38 PM
I'm in the process of creating a M649-3 "convertible". It will have separate cylinders for .357 Magnum and 9mm Luger. Here's hoping it turns out well...

Not the first time this has been done, I'm sure you'll be happy with the outcome. Who is doing the work for you?

charlie echo
December 19, 2010, 09:36 PM
no. and i would not buy a 40S&W either

I'd buy: 45ACP, 44mag, or 45LC and 454 Casull.

For CCW I'd buy a compact and slim 357mag (corrected) revolver or a 45 semi-auto pistol.

for plinking only, a 22LR revolver

John Wayne
December 19, 2010, 09:59 PM
For CCW I'd buy a compact and slim 45ACP.

No such thing as a slim .45 revolver. I never saw the point of the .45 ACP in a revolver anyway, it seems like you're handicapping a gun that could shoot .45 Colt instead.

Brian Williams
December 19, 2010, 10:12 PM
I have a S&W 642 with a 940 cylinder and it works great. I would love a factory version.

Chuck Perry
December 19, 2010, 10:23 PM
I don't deny the chrono results. I am trying to point out that there is nothing magic about the 9mm's superior performance. If you load the 38 Special to 30K cup it too will post those bigger numbers. Seems to me that a snub loaded with the mid range 357 Magnum loadings available should duplicate what people expect out of a 9mm revolver.

default57
December 20, 2010, 01:25 AM
This is good stuff by the way.

So because the 38 and 357 is working fine as is, changing to a 9mm would be bad? because why fix it if it's not broken. I agree

But my main idea is that 9mm is more common(not sure by how much) than both 38 and 357 magnum. To me this presents a clear advantage over both of them, and as said by other posts, also has other advantages as a concealed carry revolver. What use is a gun that you can't find ammunition for?

Take no offense, I like those calibers. But sadly a lot of good calibers are stomped out by politics and petty things by people who don't know the truth. Maybe even the simple number 9 for 9mm has made it more popular.

"On paper, sure, the 9mm is a more modern cartridge. But in real life, is that extra 200fps and 100ft/lb going to matter? I really doubt it, but I could be wrong. ". It may not matter, but finding any ammunition does matter.

hey and no need to get all riled up, I'm just trying to understand.

I'd also add that what I described could be 6shot and/or be much lighter than the said 17 oz, that was an overestimate to keep it realistic. and considering the cylinder would be shorter it's very possible to have its weight pushing 12 OZ. Is it not?

here's my other thread

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=561104

thanks everyone

statelineblues
December 20, 2010, 01:29 AM
I voted yes -

Had a S&W Model 547 (4" barrel, square butt) many years ago. Bought it cheap (around $250.00, IIRC) and sold it a couple of years later. Even tho it would probably never be my primary gun, I still like the idea.

WC145
December 20, 2010, 06:11 AM
I'd also add that what I described could be 6shot and/or be much lighter than the said 17 oz, that was an overestimate to keep it realistic. and considering the cylinder would be shorter it's very possible to have its weight pushing 12 OZ. Is it not?

My 9mm 360J weighs 12.6oz empty without grips. With the CT LG-105 laser grips I use it weighs 13.9oz empty.

Taurus made a version of the 905 called the "Instant Backup", it had a shortened cylinder and frame. The problem is that it weighed 20+oz and was a Taurus.

RidgwayCO
December 20, 2010, 10:34 AM
WC145, I haven't decided yet between TK Custom or Pinnacle Guns for the work. Do you have a recommendation?

Chuck Perry
December 20, 2010, 11:06 AM
Oh, so you want to add a sixth shot and keep 9mm ballistics? Well then, you're looking for a 327 Federal Magnum! :neener:
The 327 is another cartridge that we really didn't need (except for adding that sixth shot to a five shot revolver). I admit, it doesn't do anything that the 357 can't. I like mine alot. It's something different-love guns like that. For that reason, have at it with a 9mm revolver. :D

ForumSurfer
December 20, 2010, 11:30 AM
For defense I'll stick with my bottom feeders. I would feel perfectly well prepared with fewer rounds on me if I carried such a thing but I don't have a snubbie, I don't train with them and I haven't had much experience with them...so I wouldn't be effective with a snubbie in any caliber. Bottom feeders are what I train with and what I'm accustomed to.

I do want a 9mm revolver for range use since I'm starting to reload for 9mm and 45 soon. So a Ruger Blackhawk in 9mm/357 with a barrel longer than 2" is more suitable to my needs and wants.

cackalak
December 20, 2010, 11:58 AM
"On paper, sure, the 9mm is a more modern cartridge. But in real life, is that extra 200fps and 100ft/lb going to matter? I really doubt it, but I could be wrong. ". It may not matter, but finding any ammunition does matter.

I have never found a good shop (or box stores) without a few selections of .38's along with 9mm. Not sure of the ammo shortage is an issue with either round? Not trying to say you shouldn't get a 9mm revolver, but for me, sourcing ammo has never been an issue.

WC145
December 20, 2010, 12:29 PM
WC145, I haven't decided yet between TK Custom or Pinnacle Guns for the work. Do you have a recommendation?

Pinnacle did the work on my gun so I can speak from experience, Mark does great work. WHen he did the caliber covnersion I also had him do an action job and some other work and he did a top notch job on everything.

I've heard very good things about TK Custom's work but I don't have any personal experience with them.

bhp9mm
December 20, 2010, 05:46 PM
I voted yes i have owned a few 9mm revolvers 940 940pc speed six and sp101.

default57
December 20, 2010, 06:08 PM
WC145, how cheap do you think we could get something like that done for? 800? a good job though of course

And yeah I think it's really neat to have a 9mm revolver, that might be mostly why I reaally want one. but for the reasons said it would also be cool to have the same caliber as my semi to make it simple. But I don't think it's a serious problem to be solved as you guys proved. .38 is still pretty common.

gordy
December 20, 2010, 06:09 PM
I voted yes,
As to defalt57 remark as the 9mm being a more modern round.
38 spl. was introduced in 1899.
The 9mm was introduced in 1902.
and the 357 was in 1934.
So as the facts go the 357 is the modern round.
I do think the 9mm was not as good in those days as it is now.
You could not get any thing but ball ammo in-till the late 70's early 80's.
I have been reloading the three above for close to 30 years.
And they are all great rounds.

Brian Williams
December 20, 2010, 07:35 PM
WC145, I haven't decided yet between TK Custom or Pinnacle Guns for the work. Do you have a recommendation?
I had Mark at Pinnacle do some work on a S&W 65 along with doing the install of my 940 cylinder in my 642.

WC145
December 20, 2010, 07:48 PM
WC145, how cheap do you think we could get something like that done for? 800? a good job though of course

If all you want done is the caliber conversion you just need to send your cylinder to Pinnacle and for $225 plus return shipping Mark will ream the chambers, cut the cylinder face for moonclips, and chamfer the charge holes. When you get the cylinder back all you do is install it in your gun and get yourself some moonclips and your ready to go. You'll use 940 moonclips, I buy my moonclips right off the S&W website, IIRC they're around $1.30 a piece. If you buy another cylinder you can send it and your gun to Mark and he'll fit it to your gun so that changing calibers is as simple as a cylinder swap, which only requires the removal of one screw.
Check his price list - http://pinnacle-guns.com/revolver.asp

OrangePwrx9
December 20, 2010, 08:38 PM
I voted no. But I have a 9mm revolver that I enjoy very much. It's the 9mm/357 Ruger BH Convertible. As a fun and accurate range toy, it's great and I don't have to deal with moon clips.

For a concealed carry revolver, I'd go with +P .38 Special or .357 Mag. If I wanted to carry a 9mm concealed, it would be a Glock, Kahr or any of a dozen other good choices.

Guns usually work best when shooting the ammo they were originally designed for.
Bob

jimmyraythomason
December 20, 2010, 09:20 PM
I voted no. I wouldn't buy one but might trade for one in a $200-$300 trade. Cheap ammo would be the only reason I'd trade for it.

RidgwayCO
December 20, 2010, 09:58 PM
WC145 and Brian Williams - Thank you! I'll be calling Mark at Pinnacle tomorrow.

easyg
December 21, 2010, 08:18 AM
Taurus made a version of the 905 called the "Instant Backup", it had a shortened cylinder and frame. The problem is that it weighed 20+oz and was a Taurus.
It's actually a very nice revolver.
More powerful than the .38 Special +P, and softer shooting than the .357 magnum.


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM5676.jpg


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM5678.jpg

WC145
December 21, 2010, 08:56 AM
Quote:
Taurus made a version of the 905 called the "Instant Backup", it had a shortened cylinder and frame. The problem is that it weighed 20+oz and was a Taurus.

It's actually a very nice revolver.
More powerful than the .38 Special +P, and softer shooting than the .357 magnum.

Except for the shorter frame and bobbed hammer, I wasn't impressed with mine. The fit sucked, cylinder would bind in the barrel making it very difficult to cycle the action. Great concept, poor execution.

easyg
December 21, 2010, 08:59 AM
Except for the shorter frame and bobbed hammer, I wasn't impressed with mine. The fit sucked, cylinder would bind in the barrel making it very difficult to cycle the action. Great concept, poor execution.
What did Taurus tell you when you sent it back to them?

dnovo
December 21, 2010, 09:03 AM
I agree with one of the last posters, the Taurus 9 I bought was garbage, and delivered unshootable. From what I have seen, their QC is a joke. Dave

WC145
December 21, 2010, 09:26 AM
What did Taurus tell you when you sent it back to them?

Didn't send it back to them, didn't want to deal with it. I traded it to someone that was more interested in the gun than I was and willing to hassle with it. Then I had a scandium S&W snubby rechambered to 9mm, no disappointments with it.

JFrame
December 21, 2010, 09:28 AM
Voted yes.

I have a boat-load of revolvers chambered in .38 and .357, but I would dig a small revolver in 9mm "just because"...

I wish S&W would reissue the 940 as part of their "Classic" series... :cool:

.

AK103K
December 21, 2010, 09:31 AM
wish S&W would reissue the 940 as part of their "Classic" series...
Me too (as long as they got them working), it and the 547. Hell, even make a 647. :)

easyg
December 21, 2010, 02:00 PM
I agree with one of the last posters, the Taurus 9 I bought was garbage, and delivered unshootable. From what I have seen, their QC is a joke. Dave
Why was it unshootable?

And what did Taurus say when you sent it back to them?

default57
December 28, 2010, 08:08 PM
bump

MovedWest
December 28, 2010, 08:28 PM
Having a 9mm revolver doesn't make sense to me. The 9mm was designed for automatic actions. Why shove a square peg into a round hole? If you want a revolver, get a .357. You can get similar performance out of a .38spl+p in the .357. If you reload you can even get away with using the same dies.

Just my opinion. :cool:

-MW

Rancho Relaxo
December 28, 2010, 08:42 PM
I'd love to have one with the correct sized cylinder. It would be a range queen of course, great for not having to chase brass in the snow and mud. Additional bonus for not having to buy a new progressive, just continue to reload with my current 9mm SDB.

Sign me up for the 9mm lever action too while you're at it!

Tomcat47
December 28, 2010, 09:04 PM
I would buy one.....And I would buy a Taurus 905.

I would buy for the novelty mostly and play with some hand loads!

I would actually like to see one in a 4 or 6" as well to play with balistically.

I had the S&W 625-4 and I actually loved that gun...wish I had not traded it.

I actually did hand load some for it, might just look for another one of them too!

But I been in the gun buying mood lately anyway... as someone else said in an earlier post...its another reason to buy a gun too! :)

pic of S&W 625 just for prosperity....miss that gun! :uhoh:

MuleRyder
December 28, 2010, 09:09 PM
Voted no- not really a fan of 9mm even though I own a Sig P226, but especially not in a revolver.

BCRider
December 28, 2010, 10:25 PM
Having a 9mm revolver doesn't make sense to me. The 9mm was designed for automatic actions. Why shove a square peg into a round hole? If you want a revolver, get a .357. You can get similar performance out of a .38spl+p in the .357. If you reload you can even get away with using the same dies.

Just my opinion.

-MW

Because of the reduced length of the cylinder on a dedicated 9mm revolver which means a longer barrel for the same overall length or a shorter gun overall. Also the ability to all but throw full or half moonclips of ammo into place without fumbling with speed loaders. Also the far smaller size of full or half moon clips of 9mm vs a speed loader of .38Spl.

I suspect that a reason we have not seen a move towards a 9mm revolver is because near as I can tell no one has made one from the ground up. They've all be .38 or .357 frames and cylinders modified to work with 9mm instead of being purpose designed. Can you imagine a small and light "short" K or J frame gun with a 3 inch barrel that is no longer overall than a .357 gun that has a 2 inch barrel along with heavy cylinder and the bulk that goes with it?

There's a lot to be said about a 9mm revolver. But so far no one has stepped up onto the podium and done it properley.

AK103K
December 28, 2010, 10:33 PM
Other than the novelty, whats really the point? I like the idea for a plinker, but it would sit in my safe with the .38's when it came to using it for anything else.

Ricnzak
December 29, 2010, 08:46 AM
I voted no. I still got a bad taste in my mouth from trying that 20 years ago.

Bill B.
December 29, 2010, 09:10 AM
Love to find a Ruger Speed Six in stainless 9mm NIB not priced at $700 up!

SC_Slowhand
December 29, 2010, 10:12 AM
http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/bgoff689/weapons/GuardianModel18789mm.jpg

I just bought this one. But she's strictly a Safe Queen.

I'd buy a more modern version if I could find a reliable one.

psp7304
December 29, 2010, 10:36 AM
Absolutely. I wish Ruger would make the LCR in 9mm.

ChristopherG
December 29, 2010, 10:41 AM
I don't think so. Unless a mfr really surprised me by producing a revolver of startlingly different weight/size/balance built around the 9mm, I can't imagine much of a gain over the 12 oz .38+p I've been carrying for years. Yes, moonclips would be nice, but I generally carry my reload in the form of a speed strip, which lies flat in my pocket, and like the low profile it gives.

Also: while the 9mm works well from a short barrel, ballistically, it's more restricted in terms of bullet type. Look at the giant hollow point of the speer short barrel 135 gold dot; nothing like that is going to feed in a 9mm semi-auto, and hence nothing like that is going to be available as a .355 bullet, either loaded or for reloading.

Customtrigger
December 29, 2010, 12:32 PM
Yes, I would like another range rat. When combing the simplicity of a revolver and the fun factor of shooting tons of 9mm, I say why not!

Some firearm owners are very traditional, just my 0.25.

motorcycle-charlie
December 29, 2010, 02:05 PM
i am all for it. i would love a nice, functional, reliable,high quality 9mm snub. it would really cut down my ammo bill since i dont reload as of yet. around here, i can get 9mm for a little more than half of what i pay for my .38 specials and 9mm always seems to be in stock where the .38s dont. i have a high cap 9mm auto but really dont shoot it much because i am mainly interested in revolvers.

JohnD13
December 29, 2010, 02:24 PM
In a revover the 9mm isn't going to do much the .38 special won't do. I'd save my money.

Guns and more
December 29, 2010, 02:53 PM
would you buy a 9mm revolver?
No. I have a nice revolver (S&W model 65) which was my first firearm and used for home defense.
I just can't get excited about revolvers. The 9mm. would be a good idea for range shooters, but I have sexy semi-autos that seem to scratch my itch, so to speak.

Specs
December 29, 2010, 03:28 PM
Absolutely. I wish Ruger would make the LCR in 9mm.
Exactly what I was thinking. Some hot 9mm +p HST would really shine in a 13-15 oz pocket revolver and I would not need to stock 38 spec. I have a Blackhawk 9mm/357, and the 9mm makes for really cheap shooting. In the LCR it could go from paper punchers to hole blasters, kind of an all around setup with an extra 1/2 in. in barrel equivalent and a huge assortment of really low cost ammo.

Loyalist Dave
December 29, 2010, 03:35 PM
I have a S&W 940, which is a hammerless, stainless version of what they still offer in .38 spl. The cylinder is made for .38 spl length cartridges, so I do get very good performance with the 9mm round. Yes it uses moon clips. I got it as a backup to my Glock, when I had one in 9mm.

I wish they made one in .40 S&W so I could back up my current SD gun.

LD

bigfatdave
December 29, 2010, 03:42 PM
Absolutely. I wish Ruger would make the LCR in 9mm. Now there's a good idea!
Get a modern design built from the ground up to be a 9mm revolver, instead of modifying something old.
LCR, Rhino, or something like that would be a good choice.

winchester '97
December 30, 2010, 12:42 PM
I would, all the fun of a .38 special revolver and only one type of ammo to buy for it and my Hungarian hi power, a full line of 9mm revolvers would probably steal the market away from the 38 special if it featured full size adjustable sight models as well as ccw pieces.

Specs
December 30, 2010, 12:53 PM
Ruger already knows how to do a good job on the 9mm cylinder with the step headspacing so no moon clips needed. I wonder if that would work in a DA as well as the SA Blackhawk. However, I would buy it even if it used moonclips (nice speedloader). Sure would be a slick way for them grow sales with negligible tooling costs.

WOW! Just think about an LCR Convertible ala the Blackhawk Convertibles. 38spec, 9mm, and 357 mag all in one handy little revolver with 2 cylinders.

LafayetteLA
December 30, 2010, 01:08 PM
WOW! Just think about an LCR Convertible ala the Blackhawk Convertibles. 38spec, 9mm, and 357 mag all in one handy little revolver with 2 cylinders.


I would gladly buy one. It could join my Ruger LCR (38), Ruger p345 (45 ACP), Ruger Security Six (357), Ruger Speed Six (9mm) and Ruger SP101 (9mm).

default57
December 30, 2010, 02:29 PM
In a revover the 9mm isn't going to do much the .38 special won't do. I'd save my money.
anybody that doesn't want a 9mm revolver just doesn't understand what we're getting at. I find this ironic because as said by motorcycle charlie
i am all for it. i would love a nice, functional, reliable,high quality 9mm snub. it would really cut down my ammo bill since i dont reload as of yet. around here, i can get 9mm for a little more than half of what i pay for my .38 specials and 9mm always seems to be in stock where the .38s dont. i have a high cap 9mm auto but really dont shoot it much because i am mainly interested in revolvers.

Specs
December 30, 2010, 02:42 PM
Yes, the 38 spec +p is potent, but you can buy Federal HST in 124gr or 147 gr in +p or even +p+ and that is a different league altogether from the 38 spec. So, a 357 LCR could easily handle the stoutest 9mm cartridge available. And, the low end 9mm target fmj from the cheapest supplier is well under $10.00 if you shop around, and I am seeing 18--20 bux for 38 spec. Of course 9mm is also so much more available and it comes in so many flavors, that I think it is a stone natural for the LCR, convertible or not. I have a Blackhawk Convertible in 357/38, and 9mm and consider it to be the most flexible and useful sidearm I own.

Just wondering if it would be a problem creating a double action convertible that required a cylinder swap to go to 9mm? How tough would it be to swap if the cylinder was timed to the revolver? I think it's just the 1 crane pivot screw which could be made to be a quick change of some sort.

Elm Creek Smith
December 31, 2010, 02:20 PM
Um, no. I don't have any other nines. I don't need any nines.

ECS

Specs
December 31, 2010, 02:43 PM
delete.

LafayetteLA
December 31, 2010, 03:28 PM
Just for 1 example consider the 17 oz Ruger LCR 357 selling at $450-$500. If $475.00 is divided by 17 oz the result is around $28.00 per, which is currently higher than silver. I would guess that other modern firearms are somewhat in line with this, so yes, a modern firearm is an investment in precious metal that almost has to go up in stored value, and it has much more function than a bag of 17 silver dollars or 1 oz ingots. I know that this is not considering the difference betwen troy oz value and avoir oz value but it is arguable.
Is it April Fools Day already?

Specs
December 31, 2010, 04:57 PM
delete

WC145
December 31, 2010, 06:18 PM
A foolish question. Metal is metal, and ounce per ounce I would prefer a functioning tool to use and keep for trade than some shiny metal slugs that may or may not be marketable to anyone. Right now today I can buy solid value firearms that will appreciate in value whether the price of silver or gold goes up or down. We are talking about hedges and stores of value, not speculation.

What's any of that got to do with the OP's question?

Specs
December 31, 2010, 07:30 PM
You are entirely correct. I mistakenly posted a reply here which applied to another thread. My apologies to the members!

I am participating in a conversation regarding guns and ammo as inflation hedges on another forum. The replies I made were intended for that. I don't know how I got my wires crossed.

ColeK
December 31, 2010, 09:06 PM
Why would anyone want a 9mm revolver?

ColeK
December 31, 2010, 09:17 PM
But if you want one Ruger sale a New Model Blackhawk Convertible .357 Mag / 9mm Luger and the MSRP is $636. The street price shoud be about $500.

http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/models.html

doc2rn
January 1, 2011, 02:51 AM
I too have wanted a 547 for years or a sp 101 in 9mm, so definately. Anyone who needs more than 6 needs to learn to shoot.

MudPuppy
January 1, 2011, 03:29 AM
My grandpa used to say anyone that needed more than one shot needed to learn to shoot.

I like the idea of a convertible 357 myself. I'm not a wheel gun kind of guy, but I am thinking about broadening my horizons. Availability and shared caliber would be appealing for a 9mm.

wankerjake
January 1, 2011, 03:31 AM
I say yes, I totally want a SP101 in 9mm. But when I think about it I don't know why. The 9mm would not do a single thing better than the 357. 38spl ammo is just as cheap as 9mm these days. Back when 9mm ammo was cheaper yeah, but now...I see no benefit. I reload both for the same cost, but the 38spl and 357mag cartridges both smoke the 9mm as far as performance. It would be a luxury revolver for me.

Can we get a lever action rifle to go with it?
Agreed. Or 40 S&W or 45 ACP. You could do a lot with a 10mm levergun, and have a tube capacity of 15-20. Outstanding.

Specs
January 1, 2011, 08:38 AM
Of course the cost between 38 spec and 9mm is the same for reloaders, but if you do not reload, you can buy 9mm at 1/2 the price of 38 spec. Also, if you reload you can load some really hot 38 spec rounds, but due to the pressure capabilities of the 9mm vs 38 I think you might find that using factory ammo only you can get higher velocity from the 9mm using 125 gr.

357 mag is another animal altogether, but the little 9mm can perform nearly as well in sd situations in a small handgun with less flash and bang. I think the advantage of the 9mm revolver would be that there is a huge assortment of ammo out there and it is out there in large quantities. Not as relevant for reloaders.

Since many of us have 9mm semiauto pistols in many configurations, a 9mm CCW revolver would fit right in with the ammo we use in other activities. I maintain a fairly large assortment and quantity of 9mm because I own 3 semiautos, 1 revolver, and 1 carbine.

AK103K
January 1, 2011, 10:23 AM
Anyone who needs more than 6 needs to learn to shoot.
Ah, the age old 6 shot revolver justifier. :)

Does that mean 7 and 8 shot revolvers are like the heathen autos and no good?

Dont get me wrong here either, I still have, like, and shoot revolvers (and I shoot them as they were meant to be shot, DAO! :neener:), but I'm a little more reality based in my choices for a "weapon". Just because my gun has 17 rounds in it, doesnt mean there wont be 14 or 15 in it when Im done, but if I "need" 10, I got them, and even then, I still got more left than a 6 shot revolver starts with, well that is, if I was foolish enough to have not already done a mag swap.

Specs
January 1, 2011, 10:47 AM
I would have no interest in a large 9mm revo other than my Blackhawk convertible for cheap plinking. My own interest in a 9mm revolver would be in a small pocket sized ccw. With a speedloader or moon clip you could get a fairly fast reload, but still only 5 or 6. My PF9 holds 8, but at any given time it could be only a single shot if it had FTE or FTF, so the idea of a very small 9mm revolver for pocket carry is appealing to me.

I am on the verge of buying an LCR 357, but for now I plan to wait for the show in March and watch for new products. I did go to the Ruger website and in the "talk to the CEO" I mentioned the interest in a very compact revolver in 9mm.

M2MikeGolf
January 1, 2011, 11:22 AM
I vote "yes" and in a big way. I've always thought it was strange that 9MM revolvers never caught on, even in Europe. I have a Smith & Wesson Model 547, and it's one of my favorite revolvers of all time. Amazing design, requires no half-moon clips, and you can still find HKS speedloaders for them. I prefer the larger square butt 4" model, but S & W made a 3" round butt, perfect for carry, more punch than a .38. 9MM is a really compact size in a speedloader, too. It's a shame, I think there would be a market for them; always been a fan of the K frame, but never really been a fan of the .38 Spl.. I wish S & W would make them again, or someone would, but in the meantime, I'm pretty happy to have one!

Surefire
January 1, 2011, 02:24 PM
No.

I hate moon clips.

default57
January 1, 2011, 10:51 PM
I vote "yes" and in a big way. I've always thought it was strange that 9MM revolvers never caught on, even in Europe. I have a Smith & Wesson Model 547, and it's one of my favorite revolvers of all time. Amazing design, requires no half-moon clips, and you can still find HKS speedloaders for them. I prefer the larger square butt 4" model, but S & W made a 3" round butt, perfect for carry, more punch than a .38. 9MM is a really compact size in a speedloader, too. It's a shame, I think there would be a market for them; always been a fan of the K frame, but never really been a fan of the .38 Spl.. I wish S & W would make them again, or someone would, but in the meantime, I'm pretty happy to have one!

yes!

Wolfgang2000
January 2, 2011, 04:03 PM
I have a S&W 940 9mm revolver. I like it.

You have to remember the when the "wonder 9's" were the rage in the police market there were no small 9MM auto. Cops wanted a BUG in the same caliber as their duty gun. So a market was formed. The 547 was made at the request of the French who wanted to armed the police with a revolver but use the NATO 9 MM round. After the gun was designed and made the order was canceled.

Years ago I decided to consolidate my calibers. We (wife and I) chose the 9 MM as our duty/SD round. Till the G 26 came out the 940 was my BUG. Now it's a "house" gun.

For the weight and bulk the G26 is a better carry gun these days, plus you have 2 X as many rounds. Now you have guns like the Kahr PM9. But it the day, if you wanted a BUG, the 9MM revolver was the way to go.

I still have a box or RIMMED 9MM rounds, from the day.

oldgaranddad
January 2, 2011, 05:08 PM
Why would anyone want a 9mm revolver?

The same reason I have a .45ACP S&W (Model22) Model of 1917 revolver. Whatever the semi-automatics won't eat the revolver will! Basically never having to regret buying a box of ammo.

default57
January 4, 2011, 01:04 AM
Why would anyone want a 9mm revolver?

First of all why not? there is really no in-stubborn reason to not.
The answer:
Because ammo is generally cheaper, ammunition can be interchanged between semi auto guns, 9mm is more common, all the great aspects of a revolver plus all mentioned above advantages of having 9mm rounds(including being a better ccw weapon, as said) And because its cool.

Counter That!

default57
January 4, 2011, 01:07 AM
This thread should be in the semi-auto section too for more insight. Can I get a moderator?

bhp9mm
January 12, 2011, 09:55 PM
I like 9mm revolvers i have a 940-1 and 940pc like them alot.

Rexster
January 12, 2011, 10:08 PM
I voted no; a more specific answer would be: Unlikely to do so in the foreseeable future, simply because I don't own a 9mm pistol, and don't care to add yet another cartridge to the inventory at this time. I presently have revolvers in .38 Special, .357 and .41 Magnums, and .45 Colt. My most-used compact revolvers are SP101 snubbies in .357 Mag.

I did nearly buy a 9mm S&W Model 547 back in the day, and may do so if one presents itself at a non-collector price, an unlikely event. This being a heavier K-frame, it is outside the parameters of this poll.

HelterSkelter
January 12, 2011, 11:06 PM
i would not buy a revolver chambered in a weak auto round. strong for an auto is normal for a revolver so weak auto would make a super weak revolver round. also you have to deal with moonclips :P. i can't understand why so many people want to put auto rounds in a revolver when there are perfectly good, much more powerful revolver rounds readily available everywhere.

pikid89
January 12, 2011, 11:09 PM
^cheaper factory ammo

HelterSkelter
January 13, 2011, 01:19 AM
if your concern is cheap ammo there are some nice 22 lr revolvers out there.

bhp9mm
January 13, 2011, 10:04 AM
9mm in a revolver is not weak it has more power then 38 special out of a short barrel revolver and is up there with 357 mag.

SaberOne
January 13, 2011, 11:18 AM
I agree with some others. If it were built from the ground up with a cylinder cut to the proper length and all steel, then yes.

minutemen1776
January 13, 2011, 11:33 AM
+1 on the 9mm round not being weak

One thing I really dislike about revolvers is that there is a big performance gap in ammunition, and it centers in the range that's most appropriate for self sefense. For a small-frame revolver, which is decidedly best for CCW, one can opt for .38 Special or go straight to .357 Magnum. (I suppose .44 Special is an option, too, but I think that's best only for those who handload.) For the .38, even +P energies are well below that of the "weak" 9mm. On the other end, the .357 can outstrip just about everything that .40 S&W or .45 ACP can offer. So where's the middle ground? Buffalo Bore makes a very good improved "FBI Load" in .38 +P, and Remington's Golden Saber .357 offers a good mid-range load that replicates a Speer Gold Dot +P 9mm. There might be a few others, but that's about it. That being said, IMHO a 9mm revolver fills a pretty significant performance gap for that platform.

ROAshooter
January 13, 2011, 11:46 AM
no...I have no use

M2MikeGolf
January 19, 2011, 02:34 PM
Hey Helter Skelter, are you trying to tell me that .38 Special is more powerful than 9MM? That's maybe the best reason for a 9MM revolver, it could bridge the gap between 38 +P and .357 Mag. Standard 9MM still outperforms .38+P and have you ever seen 9MM in a speedloader? Perfect size, great medium power. Better yet, if S&W could make a convertible 9MM/.357 scheme...it's been done (Korth, in Germany), S&W would be the perfect guys to resurrect that concept.

Specs
January 19, 2011, 03:01 PM
I would sure buy one, the new Ruger LCR would be perfect. a 9mm snubbie. Convertible, better yet.

Coal Dragger
January 19, 2011, 03:04 PM
For a primary concealed carry revolver? No way in hell.

As an auxiliary cylinder for a .357? Sure that might be a neat addition to a single action like the Ruger Blackhawk or Freedom Arms.

KevininPa
January 20, 2011, 01:34 PM
........Charter Arms finally introduced their CARR series at the SHOT show in .40. I've been waiting for their .45 acp for awhile. Wanted a big bore snub for awhile now but didn't want to spend big bucks on .44 special ammo or reloading stuff. My buddy reloads for his 1911, so all I have to do is use his press or supply him with components. I reload for .380, .38 and .357. Well actually .380. Just got the stuff for the others, haven't started on'em yet since he and I have our loading presses set up in his shed and it's pretty cold out there in the winter. And since the company fell back into the original family ownership from the early years, I'm hoping that the build quality from way back when will come into play. From all the threads about CA I've read, one thing seems to stand clear, almost everyone who owns an older Charter from those early years seems to love them.

deacon8
January 20, 2011, 01:45 PM
I voted "no." I really dislike the 9mm and love revolvers. If I had $500 to spend on a gun with the giving stipulations, I would get a S&W chambered for .38 special. Of course, if no other revolvers existed (and I mean none), I guess I would get one in 9mm. And I don't need 9mm fans telling me all of the specs and "greatness" of the 9mm. I am an informed person and I know what I am talking about in the world of firearms. What's the internet term...IMO?

doc540
January 20, 2011, 02:19 PM
You bet I would. I'd carry one of these in 9mm loaded with CorBon DPX Barnes Bullets faster'n a minnow could swim a dipper.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/DSCN3682-1-1.jpg

dogngun
January 21, 2011, 11:20 AM
I have one snubby just bought-a Rossi stainless steel .357 magnum. It's a great little gun, 26 oz and well made...much smaller and lighter than my old Highway Patrolman.


mark

NWCP
January 22, 2011, 01:01 AM
I'd rather carry my Colt Detective Special. It's a second series made in '69. Lightweight, nice trigger and easy to conceal. Otherwise my SP101 would accompany me with 5 rounds of .357. My nines are all semi auto.

NMGonzo
January 22, 2011, 09:16 AM
It would have to be a whole different frame than the sp ... if you have a shorty round like the 9mm, why the long cylinder?

default57
February 9, 2011, 01:20 AM
This thread has been very educational. I learned that a 9mm round in revolver bridges the gap on the revolver scene and that some people just can't understand what a 9mm revolver is all about. I think it's a good idea

Honestly, what is the realistic potential for a 9mm revolver?

GLOOB
February 9, 2011, 01:33 AM
Honestly, I can't imagine why 9mm revolvers aren't more popular.

.357 is annoying to load. The darn cases are so (needlessly!) long, and the cartridges so nose-heavy, you can't hardly pick up and load more than 2 at a time.

I imagine I could easily grab up 6 or 7 stubby little luger rounds in one fistful, and load with the same hand without dropping any - easily turning around backwards cartridges for proper orientation into the cylinder. I would shoot my .357 so much more, if I had three hands. Going back and forth between pocket and gun 3 times just to reload takes the fun out of it. Then retaining those long empties fills your other pocket up fast! For a cartridge that is so much bigger, you sure don't get much benefit for the extra size (out of a short gun).

With moon clips, you could carry 3 9mm clips in the same space as 2 .357 clips.

Shorter tapered cartridge would be a breeze to eject, even with super stout "Ruger only" loads.

During your speed drills, you wouldn't mind losing or stepping on cheap luger brass.

The cylinder would be much shorter and lighter. A lighter cylinder means less notch peening, lock and timing wear from fast shooting, and cylinder gap issues. And it means a more compact gun. A 1 inch luger snub nose would be more concealable and lighter than a 1/2" inch .38, without using exotic metals. And it would have a full length ejection rod.

9mm revolvers should be putting .38 and .357 snubbies out of business.

BCRider
February 9, 2011, 03:39 AM
Gloob, the other aspect is the small size of a cluster of six 9mm rounds in a moonclip as well. Being so short a moonclip of 9's would practically suck themselves into place. So no fumbling. And it's easy to find the brass in clumps after shooting a stage of IDPA or IPSC revolver. Or in the case of practising for the "real thing". No need to fumble with loading separate rounds at all. And for an even more compact in the pocket carry there's 3 round half moon clips. Two of those and you're reloaded.

memphisjim
February 9, 2011, 04:29 AM
I am all for a 9mm revolver I want a titanium scandium frame and yes shorten the cylinder some the 45acp revolvers have the barrel coming in more for shorter cylinder why can't the 9pm

samurai
February 9, 2011, 09:23 AM
Voted yes- Just picked up a Ruger SP101 3" 9mm last weekend. Shoots great-with and without moon clips.

chuckfw
February 9, 2011, 09:41 AM
No, I would prefer a different caliber for defense purposes in a revolver. Nothing smaller than a .38 Spl. 9 mm has a lousy stopping reputation, especially with hardball.

M2MikeGolf
February 20, 2011, 11:08 AM
I'm going to weigh in again on the 9mm. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stack it against .38/.357, but contrast it to them. You can "dislike" 9mm all you want to, it's been around, and if it were as bad as some say, it wouldn't have the serviceability and longevity that it has had. I think we all know that if one practices and can shoot will in a caliber, then you can stop talking about a caliber or cartridges "proven" lethality or non-lethality. 9MM has accounted for plenty of lethal results in unpracticed hands, and I won't cite recent history. My argument is that ballistically, in equal bullet weight, the 9MM is at least if not better than the .38 Special. In a S&W Kframe, the 9MM is ideal and for those of you that are familiar with S&Ws model 547, you with you will understand what I mean. And if you don't like moon clips then you're already a candidate for the concept to be "reborn". One interesting thing, as probably many of you have never considered, is the carryability of 9MM in a speedloader. Here is a comparison of three HKS speedloaders for S&W K/L frames. Note the similar bullet weight for the .38 Spl and 9MM and overall dimensions. I included .357 for reference (they are for my 519, the 9MM is for my 547). I apologize for the ammo selection, I live in Germany and although hollow point ammunition is now legal for handguns (but only in recent years), it is not always easy to find right away. Anyway, it's an interesting comparison, I think.

RidgwayCO
February 20, 2011, 07:26 PM
M2MikeGolf, very interesting graphic. Thanks for sharing that!

I've got the M547 in both 3" and 4" flavors, and they're very nice weapons. Unfortunately, their current value makes me hesitant to shoot anything but moderate lead-bullet reloads in them.

I think a new M547 (or in stainless!) would sell very well, but doubt S&W will ever produce one. I've read that it's the most difficult-to-produce (read costly) revolver S&W has ever made.

My solution is a convertible M649-3 where Mark Hartshorne of Pinnacle High Performance is modifying a M649 cylinder to use 9mm in moon clips. At around 23 oz, it will split the difference between WC145's modified M360J (14 oz) and my 3" M547 (32 oz). And I'll still have the .357 Magnum cylinder to shoot Magnums or Specials. Can't wait until it gets back...

M2MikeGolf
February 21, 2011, 09:03 AM
Ridgeway,
Hang on to those 547s, they are getting hard to find! I've got a 4", but want a 3", hopefully I'll get one when I'm back stateside someday. I understand that you want to go easy on the loads; I'm of the same mind. I think an updated SS and round butt version 4" HB would be a great seller, but sadly, S&W doesn't think so. I read once that actually it wasn't really a high cost for that beryllium (sp?) clip system, but the market just wasn't there since it was in production when the "wonder-nines" hit the market. I think S&W would have a winner with a K frame, 2, 3 and 4" barrel length offering in 9mm +P rated, SS or even blued. For me, I wouldn't care about moon clips, but since some seem so opposed to them, they could resurrect that awesome 547 clip system and probably improve it. Myself, moon clips are a moot point as I also plan on getting a Model1917 one of these days soon! Notice how well those sell, it only seems natural that a 9MM would sell well.

Your solution is more current to this post and a great application. The M649 (I think) would be ideal for a 9MM load and makes the case I had stated before with a convertible cylinder. I think that would make for an interesting and versatile setup; .38/9MM/.357. Korth, I think still offers that, at a premium price however. Make sure you post a picture of that M549 when you get it back!!!

WC145
February 21, 2011, 10:46 AM
My solution is a convertible M649-3 where Mark Hartshorne of Pinnacle High Performance is modifying a M649 cylinder to use 9mm in moon clips. At around 23 oz, it will split the difference between WC145's modified M360J (14 oz) and my 3" M547 (32 oz). And I'll still have the .357 Magnum cylinder to shoot Magnums or Specials. Can't wait until it gets back...

That's going to make for a cool carry piece. I'll be looking forward to your range report, particularly accuracy comparisons between 9mm and .38/.357. I haven't noticed any difference in my gun but I'm always curious about other people's results.

zxcvbob
February 21, 2011, 10:59 AM
(this thread looks familiar) Yes, I would love to have a 9mm j-frame or i-frame, *if* it had a short cylinder. 9mm's are short and tapered, so they should reload [and eject] a lot faster than .38 Specials, and the short cylinder would lighten the gun quite a bit even with a steel frame.

Something like a S&W Hammerless Safety "lemon squeezer" with a swing-out cylinder and a 2.5 inch barrel. Extra points if they make it a shrouded hammer like the Bodyguard instead of totally enclosed.

RidgwayCO
February 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
zxcvbob, I've wanted/written-about having a shorter cylinder on a dedicated 9mm revolver myself. Then someone pointed out that a shorter cylinder would bring the barrel/cylinder gap closer to the shooter's hands, potentially exposing them to injury from escaping gases and/or bullet fragments. I'm not certain of the problem, but that explanation certainly does make sense to me.

WC145
February 21, 2011, 03:29 PM
Taurus did the short cylinder/frame with the DAO 905IB (Instant Backup). I had one for a while, great concept, poor execution. The gun was poorly fitted and would bind up, plus it was quite heavy since it was all steel. I'm sure there are better quality examples to be found, but the weight is a major turn off for me.

Brian Williams
February 21, 2011, 10:07 PM
I have a 642 with a 940 cylinder and I have found that the cylinder will also fit into my 60-4. When the 9mm cylinder is in the 60-4, it makes for a great gun. Very accurate and adjustable sights.

M2MikeGolf
March 6, 2011, 07:00 AM
Another 9mm revolver that I have always liked, but they seem to be rare (maybe no one wants to part with them like the 547s) is the Ruger speed six, hope to find one with 4" tube one day. They made it in SS too, I beleive. Anyone here have one? Please include a picture if you do!

default57
September 2, 2011, 12:17 AM
I was hoping this gun would have been made by S&W by now...

Mick_W
September 2, 2011, 04:40 AM
i would buy a 9mm sp101 just to get more sp101 practice time for a much cheaper price. $9.50/50rds of 9mm beats $14/50rds of .38 and blows $18/50rds of .357 out the water.

Danb1215
September 2, 2011, 05:20 AM
No, I would prefer a different caliber for defense purposes in a revolver. Nothing smaller than a .38 Spl. 9 mm has a lousy stopping reputation, especially with hardball.
Uhhh, 9mm > .38 special.

CHM
September 2, 2011, 08:39 AM
A 9 mm revolver? Why? Why would anyone want a rimless cartridge in a revolver which is designed for a semi-auto?

Brian Williams
September 2, 2011, 09:46 AM
a 9 mm revolver? Why? Why would anyone want a rimless cartridge in a revolver which is designed for a semi-auto?
Moonclips!

Specs
September 2, 2011, 10:00 AM
A 9 mm revolver? Why? Why would anyone want a rimless cartridge in a revolver which is designed for a semi-auto?
9mm in a revolver like the Ruger LCR would be perfect. Great SD round + low cost training ammo. If it used moon clips (if they were durable) it would provide reloads as fast as a semi. Since I have several different 9mm semis, 1 9mm convertible SA revolver, and 1 9mm carbine, 9MM would really round it out for me.

addedpulp
September 2, 2011, 10:21 AM
I'd consider it just because you can find 9mm ammo cheap at times, and I don't like autos. So, in the event that I find cheap ammo or some sort of incident happens that requires people be armed and use what they can find, 9mm is very common, and having something to shoot it with would be great... and I don't like autos. That's why all of my firearms are in common calibers, and also why I buy stuff that's pretty easy to maintain, just in case... and no autos (well, ok, I have a cheap Pheonix because, why not).

Kendal Black
September 2, 2011, 10:55 AM
Yes, if I were in a country or situation or line of work where 9mm ammo was common and .38 Spl wasn't.

I like having a .38 snub around, it's an old habit of mine, and a 9mm of the same general type would be an okay substitute.

brnmuenchow
September 2, 2011, 11:19 AM
Can I have one in Tokarev, just for fun?

Same here, don't get me wrong I love the .9X19mm also but a good .38spl.+P is just as effective and I already carry that. That would be great if the 7.62X25 could come in JHP for carry purposes.

highlander 5
September 2, 2011, 11:25 AM
Haven't read all the comments,but a 9mm revolver would be just the thing for someone who doesn't have the strengt to rack the slide of a semi auto.

WC145
September 2, 2011, 03:52 PM
A 9 mm revolver? Why? Why would anyone want a rimless cartridge in a revolver which is designed for a semi-auto?
Neither the gun nor the cartridge are aware that they weren't originally designed for eachother. An efficient and effective semi-auto cartridge is going to be just as efficient and effective out of any other platform, including a revolver. Also, revolvers that use shorter rimless cartridges with moonclips like 9mm, .40S&W, or .45ACP are very, very fast to reload and really give up nothing but capacity to pistols.

rugerman
September 2, 2011, 06:26 PM
Got 1, it'll also shoot 38's and 357's. Ruger blackhawk convertable 9mm/38/357.

smmg2020
October 22, 2011, 10:40 PM
I sold most of my revolvers years back, however, recently I have started to miss them and want to pick up a few. The reason I would buy one in 9mm is to keep the number of calibers I have to a minimum. The only pistol calibers I currently have are 380acp, 9mm, and 45acp, and really don't want anymore. (Okay, okay...I want more, but I don't NEED more.:)

PabloJ
October 23, 2011, 04:55 AM
A 9 mm revolver? Why? Why would anyone want a rimless cartridge in a revolver which is designed for a semi-auto?
because they want to parade them on the net and say I got one and you don't ha, ha, ha....I will take one with 15 shot cylinder.

mio
October 23, 2011, 07:40 AM
i might be interested in the charter arms pit bull though

default57
January 21, 2012, 12:30 AM
yeah! lets petition ruger to make a 9mm revolver!

BCRider
January 21, 2012, 12:54 AM
WELCOME TO 2012 MR Van WINKLE ! ! ! ! :D

I ain't signin' nuthin' if it ain't for a 6 shot, moon clip version with 4.2 barrel. Cause if it ain't I can't buy it or use it for my competition shooting. SO THERE! ! !

ApacheCoTodd
January 21, 2012, 11:32 AM
Don't think so. For me (ME) it would be rather pointless with the possible exception of a scenario of limited access to varied ammo and thinking I needed a revolver to compliment already owned 9mm autos (required ammo interchangeability).

default57
January 21, 2012, 01:00 PM
Be a sport now, it would be cool, and be practical for said purposes. And Isnt that why we buy handguns?

BCRider
January 21, 2012, 02:36 PM
For me it's not about ammo compatibility. I already own and shoot a number of .38Spl/.357Mag revolvers and a lever rifle. That ain't gonna change.

The point is that for using them in competition it is just way faster to both eject and load using short case ammo and moon clips. You just need to see any of Jerry Miculek's videos of his shooting to see just how fast it can be. It would be nice if the same advantages could be had in a cheaper to shoot ammo.

And those same factors that make it easier and faster to load in competition would serve well in defensive carry. In such a case 3 round half moon clips would replace the rather bulky full moon clips that would be used in competition. A couple or 4 half moon clips of 9mm would easily sit in a pocket without creating a bulge that's any worse than a pocket full of change that weighed the same amount. On top of this a dedicated cylinder intended for only 9mm could be a lot shorter and lighter than a .38Spl or .357Mag cylinder converted for 9mm.

The only real issue I could see with the use of 9mm in a J or SP size gun is that any of the factory 9mm runs chamber pressure that is well up around that for .357Mag and would produce muzzle velocities similar to that from .38Spl +P or +P+ ammo. So short of loaded down ammo suitable for such revolvers they would all have a fairly healthy kick. Not as bad as .357 Magnum but more punchy than .38Spl.

memphisjim
January 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
ive long been hoping for a 9mm scandium j frame with internal hammer
great weight size and reliability plus it can be fired from jacket pocket

mtnkid85
January 21, 2012, 04:49 PM
I would love to have the Ruger sp101 come back! Id love to have one.

JFrame
January 21, 2012, 06:53 PM
ive long been hoping for a 9mm scandium j frame with internal hammer
great weight size and reliability plus it can be fired from jacket pocket


It would kick like an S.O.B. -- but I'd be in on one also... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_doubleup.gif


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mope540
January 22, 2012, 07:41 AM
9MM is perfect for training (cheap and abundant)...but for SD??..not me

jmstevens2
January 22, 2012, 07:46 AM
deleted I forgot the quote

jmstevens2
January 22, 2012, 07:48 AM
would you buy a dedicated 9mm for concealed carry, or as an addition to your other 9mm?

- good quality, etc.
- none of the said problems of the 905
- 5 rounds
- 2" barrel
- Double Action/Single Action (perhaps shrouded hammer or internal DAO)
- 500 $
- 17 oz
Wouldn't that be a .38 spl?

LafayetteLA
January 22, 2012, 01:52 PM
9MM is perfect for training (cheap and abundant)...but for SD??..not me

Todays 9mm defensive ammo and proper training make me feel perfectly safe and well armed with my 9mm concealed carry handguns.

Panzercat
January 22, 2012, 02:24 PM
I voted no. I don't like moon clips, but I feel pretty proficient with speedloaders. If somebody would make a 9mm speedloader and if the revolver was NOT cut for moon clips, then I may consider buying one.

Until then, I like 38 special just fine.
Agree here. Maybe if charter rolls with the supposed clip free bulldog in 9mm, but then I'd be buying a 357 or the 45 version anyway

WC145
January 22, 2012, 07:41 PM
ive long been hoping for a 9mm scandium j frame with internal hammer
great weight size and reliability plus it can be fired from jacket pocket
It would kick like an S.O.B. -- but I'd be in on one also... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/just_cuz/JC_doubleup.gif.

If you want to spend the money, Mark Hartshorne at Pinnacle High Performance can fix you up. He did the work on my 9mm scandium framed 360J a few years ago and I've carried it almost every day since. It's a great shooting gun and recoil is quite manageable, even with +P+ duty ammo. Also, in addition to 9mm, it will handle .38 Super, 9mm Largo, 356TSW, 9x23, etc.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VhrUZ-tn3VE/Sa1aoiSuLTI/AAAAAAAAAYo/ZBdqfHMBK1A/s800/SDC10436.JPG

JFrame
January 22, 2012, 08:18 PM
If you want to spend the money, Mark Hartshorne at Pinnacle High Performance can fix you up. He did the work on my 9mm scandium framed 360J a few years ago and I've carried it almost every day since. It's a great shooting gun and recoil is quite manageable, even with +P+ duty ammo. Also, in addition to 9mm, it will handle .38 Super, 9mm Largo, 356TSW, 9x23, etc.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VhrUZ-tn3VE/Sa1aoiSuLTI/AAAAAAAAAYo/ZBdqfHMBK1A/s800/SDC10436.JPG (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VhrUZ-tn3VE/Sa1aoiSuLTI/AAAAAAAAAYo/ZBdqfHMBK1A/s800/SDC10436.JPG)


Hmmm...Veddy nice...What would Mr. Hartshorne charge for a job like that?


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WC145
January 22, 2012, 08:55 PM
Rechambering, chamfering the charge holes, and cutting the cylinder for moonclips, chamfering the forcing cone, action job, 1/2 bobbed hammer, radiused and polished trigger, fiber optic front sight totaled just over $400, IIRC. I had Robar coat the cylinder with NP3 and finished it off with the CT LG105 grips.

When nobody makes what you want, sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. Thanks to Mark's help, I have the 13oz 9mm snubby I wanted even though S&W won't even consider building one. It's a great shooting gun and I haven't seen any appreciable loss of accuracy shooting 9mm's compared to .38Spl's.

LafayetteLA
January 22, 2012, 08:59 PM
If you want to spend the money, Mark Hartshorne at Pinnacle High Performance can fix you up. He did the work on my 9mm scandium framed 360J a few years ago and I've carried it almost every day since. It's a great shooting gun and recoil is quite manageable, even with +P+ duty ammo. Also, in addition to 9mm, it will handle .38 Super, 9mm Largo, 356TSW, 9x23, etc.

Beautiful weapon sir!!

JFrame
January 22, 2012, 09:05 PM
Rechambering, chamfering the charge holes, and cutting the cylinder for moonclips, chamfering the forcing cone, action job, 1/2 bobbed hammer, radiused and polished trigger, fiber optic front sight totaled just over $400, IIRC. I had Robar coat the cylinder with NP3 and finished it off with the CT LG105 grips.

When nobody makes what you want, sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. Thanks to Mark's help, I have the 13oz 9mm snubby I wanted even though S&W won't even consider building one. It's a great shooting gun and I haven't seen any appreciable loss of accuracy shooting 9mm's compared to .38Spl's.


Again, hmmm...This puts me at a really intriguing crossroad.

I have the 360PD -- but I have a multitude of other .357 revolvers...Granted, nothing as light as the 360PD -- but I also have the 337PD, which is basically the same gun in .38 only, and at about an ounce less. And I'm probably not going to be firing a lot of .357's through the 360PD anyway, so that capability is largely moot...

I'm assuming the smith can do the same work as yours on the 360PD -- or, at worst, swap out with a stainless cylinder to work his rechambering magic.

Oh, man -- my head hurts...! I'm going to have to do some serious cost benefit analyzing here...

Thank you for the heads up, WC145! :cool:


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WC145
January 23, 2012, 06:12 AM
If your 360PD has a titanium cylinder it can't be rechambered, too hard to cut. The solution would be to buy a spare steel cylinder and Mark could rechamber it and fit it to the gun. That way you could swap between. 38/.357 and 9mm anytime you want. I'm actually doing the opposite, I bought a spare Ti cylinder and I'm having him fit it to my gun so that I can have a 10oz .38spl (think 337) when I feel the need.
Check his site - www.pinnacle-guns.com

Brian Williams
January 23, 2012, 06:37 AM
Mark does some great work and he is a great competition shooter also.

LafayetteLA
January 23, 2012, 08:11 AM
yeah! lets petition ruger to make a 9mm revolver!

As you probably know Ruger has several 9mm revolvers from the past. I have both a speed six and a sp101 in 9mm. With the sp101 in so many calibers already I would not be surprised to see the 9mm return.

JFrame
January 23, 2012, 08:46 AM
If your 360PD has a titanium cylinder it can't be rechambered, too hard to cut. The solution would be to buy a spare steel cylinder and Mark could rechamber it and fit it to the gun. That way you could swap between. 38/.357 and 9mm anytime you want. I'm actually doing the opposite, I bought a spare Ti cylinder and I'm having him fit it to my gun so that I can have a 10oz .38spl (think 337) when I feel the need.
Check his site - www.pinnacle-guns.com (http://www.pinnacle-guns.com/)

Thanks for the info!

Mark does some great work and he is a great competition shooter also.

...And thanks for the feedback!


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Ky Larry
January 23, 2012, 08:49 AM
Probably no. I don't see any advantage a 9mm has over a .38Spl in practical shooting.I already own several short barrel .38's. Nothing wrong with the idea. I just don't see any advantage for me.

Manny
January 23, 2012, 01:18 PM
I voted yes, I think the Ruger LCR would be an ideal BUG and back up to a primary carry high cap 9mm semi auto pistol and would allow use of the same ammo.

Specs
January 23, 2012, 01:23 PM
The LCR would be perfect. 9mm is cheaper, offers many more options in bullet and power, and is much more available, especially if you do not reload. The usual arguments re 38 spec vs 9mm will start up again, but 9mm +p offers a lot more punch, but would force Ruger to use the KLCR setup. Convertible anyone?

default57
March 6, 2012, 05:13 PM
yeah

HiVel1
March 9, 2012, 05:19 PM
I had one of the moon clip S&W 9mm snubbies some time ago-was a nice gun -was going to rationalize all my close carry weapons to 9mm (9mm MP5 sub gun for the trunk, 9mm Glocks for CC, and of course the 9mm snub as a BUG. I had a buddy who did exactly this deal. I never finished the list as I got distracted into some other deal--anybody want to buy some S&W moon clips??

I thought this was a good idea and may still do it with a Kel Tec carbine or a Mec- tech /glock carbine in place of the MP 5 as they have gone up a good bit.......standardization might be the way ------

hariph creek
March 9, 2012, 05:20 PM
I voted yes but, there are a lot of other wants way, higher on the list.
If it had a proportionate cylinder and frame. Maybe an LCR? It's already kind of a bastardized revolver anyway. I do like the LCR trigger group. Grips, not so much.

Eb1
March 9, 2012, 07:01 PM
Since revolvers can be had in more powerful cartridges. No. Go BIG or go home.

skidder
March 9, 2012, 08:58 PM
Walmart has 50 paks of 9mm for $9 and 38s for $18. I would say yes.

Remllez
March 10, 2012, 01:01 PM
Post 175 "I got one and you don't"........ That's funny.....:)...... Of course it has nothing to do with the fact that ballistically it whoops on a .38 and recoils less than a .357. Any person that wants a .9mm revolver can own one. Oh....I forgot, the price of ammo!

HiCap1
March 17, 2012, 04:32 PM
When is Charter ever coming out with the 9mm Pit Bull?

HiCap

wep45
March 17, 2012, 08:59 PM
nope....cant be bothered using moon clips

LafayetteLA
March 17, 2012, 09:11 PM
In my opinion moonclips are the best of both worlds - much better than a speed loader. More like a semi-auto magazine than a speed loader . W

Tomcat47
March 17, 2012, 09:29 PM
Yes! and I have probably already been in this thread.....:uhoh:

But yes on 9mm revolver...one of my very favorite revolvers is my Taurus 905.

And I do not mind the moon clips...if they are carried in a pouch where they can not get bent up they are faster than speed loaders. You really do not have to use them with most brands of ammo however, and they do make conventional speed loaders for the 9mm revolvers.. When I carry it I have two speed loaders in leather pouch and 5 in moon clip in revolver!

5 Star Firearms / Frontier Leather Works has some nice stuff! I highly recommend them. http://5starfirearms.com/

You may need to call regarding the 9mm speed loader...but they are very nice people.

beeb173
March 17, 2012, 10:41 PM
the question should read, "why would anyone buy a .38 special revolver" more expensive, less concealable, less power....:neener:

Swing
March 17, 2012, 11:47 PM
I'd love to convert my snubbie to run 9mmP in addition to .38/.357. :)

BCRider
March 18, 2012, 12:55 AM
Tomcat, for defensive pocket carry the key is to go with 3 round HALF moon clips. They would sit flat as can be in the pocket yet you can load six with the same effort it takes to load two rounds of non moonie ammo.

Moon clips just seem to make so much sense to revolvers. It would allow them to use the more compact semi auto ammo in more applications in a manner which results in quick loading under the pressure of competition or defense.

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