Warthog or Sig 220


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ddtaylor
December 21, 2010, 05:21 PM
A local pawnshop has both a sig220 I have no idea if it is any of the special models it looks pretty basic and they have a para warthog I like both guns and either one will be used for ccw and for just playing at the range I love the 1911 and I have a fullsize ria just looking for something new. I have read alot of bad things about para ordnance and the warthog I think most of the stuff I have read about it is bull<delete> though. So any comments or anything to look for on them? The both are barely used looking

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docnyt
December 21, 2010, 05:23 PM
Go for the SIG. You won't regret it.

rellascout
December 21, 2010, 05:35 PM
If the price is the same no comparison get the P220. If there is a difference in price then it depends on how big that difference is.

ddtaylor
December 21, 2010, 09:02 PM
I'm pretty sure they are the same price both were around 550

9mmepiphany
December 21, 2010, 09:11 PM
The QC of the Para has been questionable for quite a while

1858
December 21, 2010, 09:18 PM
I have five P220s including all German, German made/US assembled, German and US made/US assembled. They're all GREAT pistols. I seriously doubt that you'll ever regret buying a P220. If the pistol is virtually NIB, make sure you lubricate it well for any range sessions or matches. You need to get a good qualilty oil (or grease) on the aluminum rails and a few other places. There are plenty of HOW TOs out there. If you plan to carry it for defense where you won't pull the trigger more than a few times, you can carry it without much lubricant to avoid ruining your clothes.

You may want to avoid it if it has a machined slide but an internal extractor. I was offered a NIB one like that last month .. one of the Navy SEAL limited edition types ... but I didn't buy it for the reason mentioned.

GET THE P220!!

Dionysusigma
December 21, 2010, 09:53 PM
Not to hijack too much, but what's wrong with the machined slide + internal extractor combo?

Back on topic, I just bought a P220, so you know where my vote is. ;) (and no, mine's got an external extractor)

fmcdave
December 21, 2010, 09:53 PM
I'm not a big fan of the Sig pistols. I have this problem with the heavy first trigger pull and then a light one. That said, I have shot many Sigs and have found them to be extremely reliable and accurate. I would go for the Sig.

9mmepiphany
December 21, 2010, 10:44 PM
what's wrong with the machined slide + internal extractor combo?

The internal extractors location in the milled slide was less than optimal and stacked tolerances could cause feeding/extraction issues

wally
December 21, 2010, 10:45 PM
I'm not a big fan of the Sig pistols. I have this problem with the heavy first trigger pull and then a light one

+1 to disliking DA/SA operation, but SIG also makes a 220 model that is SAO witha traditional 1911-like thumb safety. These rock! CDNN has some for $550-700 in their current catalog.

Gik-tal
December 21, 2010, 11:36 PM
Go for the Sig for the money much better bargain.

1858
December 22, 2010, 12:04 AM
I'm not a big fan of the Sig pistols. I have this problem with the heavy first trigger pull and then a light one.

If you're into playing games such as IPSC, then the DA/SA will require practice but it's not a huge issue. I shot a bunch of steel stages in the 4s this past weekend with my P220 Combat and I'm very new to this game. That's just over four seconds to draw and hit five steel targets at 15 yards ending with the stop plate which isn't conveniently positioned i.e. not at the end of the array. The DA pull added a fraction of a second for the first shot since I was stacking the trigger as the front sight came on target. For any real-life situations such as carrying for personal protection or home defense, the DA trigger pull for the first shot can actually be a good thing. There's no way that you're going to accidentally pull the trigger if you're holding someone at gunpoint in a high-stress situation. I WANT the first shot to be different and harder, but follow up shots to be optimized for rapid fire. Here's a typical stage, and like I said, I'm new to this game ... and it is a game since the targets aren't shooting back or moving!!

http://128.171.62.162/hawthorn-engineering/thr/pistols/ipsc/12_18_10/stage4.jpg

springwalk
December 22, 2010, 12:26 AM
AN equal priced 1911 to a Sig 220 is a no brainer. The Sig is by far the better piece. As for whether or not its machined with an internal extractor that doesnt matter as I have never had a hiccup with my Combat and I shoot it with a suppressor often which silencers are known for messing with the reliability of cycle to a degree. 220 is Very reliable and the internal extractor hides well and makes the pistol look a hell of a lot better than the current butt ugly external extractor that wasnt needed and isnt any more reliable. Also, WHo ever thinks a machined slide is inferior to a stamped slide has been shooting indoors too much and inhaling alot of lead particles:confused:. Though the Germans did a great job on the old stamped slides they still dont equal the specs to the superior machined tolerances of today.:)

1858
December 22, 2010, 12:34 AM
springwalk, so you have a machined stainless steel slide with the internal extractor on your Combat? Is there a hole on the right side of the slide near the rear to allow access to the internal extractor?

ddtaylor
December 22, 2010, 03:24 AM
The 220 had a stainless slide if that can help tell you anything and I forgot all about the da/sa. It is is not the sao I might just skip it as I have never been able to get used to the double action pull for the first shot.

atlanticfire
December 22, 2010, 06:37 AM
My vote is also for the Sig. Did a lot of testing with them a few years ago for LE use and they worked excellent! Our department has many of them that get a lot of use and never miss a beat.

rellascout
December 22, 2010, 09:01 AM
The internal extractors location in the milled slide was less than optimal and stacked tolerances could cause feeding/extraction issues

This....

+1 also for the CDNN deal. They have NIB SAO P220s for a great price. There are much better 1911s than the Para. IMHO you would even be better off with one of the RIAs which would come in at a lower price vs the Para.

crashbuell
December 22, 2010, 09:58 AM
The Sig, any Sig, all day long.

WRGADog
December 22, 2010, 10:07 AM
Sig is the better choice if guns are in comparable condition.

ddtaylor
December 22, 2010, 10:44 AM
Just gave cdnn a call compact 220 sao for 599 I know where my xmas money is going now thanks for helping me find that deal. :)

9mmepiphany
December 22, 2010, 12:55 PM
My vote is also for the Sig. Did a lot of testing with them a few years ago for LE use and they worked excellent! Our department has many of them that get a lot of use and never miss a beat.

I do not want my comment about stacked tolerances to be seen as condemnation of the 220 with a stainless slide...I own two. Both were former LE pistols that had been back through the factory for their CPO procedure and have been flawless through many rounds of training and practice

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/9mmepiphany/fixed2.jpg

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