NFL (football) anti-gun????


December 26, 2003, 09:53 AM
Dec. 26, 2003, 8:35AM

More NFL players turn to guns for protection
New York Times
Toward the end of his 19 years in the NFL, offensive tackle Lomas Brown noticed something that startled even a hardened veteran. It seemed as if almost every player he knew in the NFL owned a gun. Brown said he saw guns everywhere. On team flights. In locker rooms. In players' cars. In training camp dormitory rooms.

"I think the vast majority of players in the NFL have guns," said Brown, who retired at the end of last season. "Just about every guy I played with in the NFL had a gun. Almost every player I knew had one. Guns are rampant in football. You have all these players packing guns wherever they go. It's a disaster waiting to happen."

Many people in the NFL share Brown's view, according to interviews with more than 25 players, owners, team executives and agents in recent weeks. Weapons, including military-style assault rifles, can be found in players' homes and cars, and even sometimes in their lockers, the players, executives and owners said.

But at a time when possessing guns has become increasingly common, many players said, they are not searched rigorously when entering stadiums and practice complexes.

Professional football, like other sports, has significantly increased security at stadiums since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. Fans are screened for weapons as they enter the gates, with security personnel routinely patting them down and checking their belongings. League officials declined to discuss how many guns or other weapons have been confiscated during these searches.

Many players said, however, that they are seldom searched on the day of games, although their bags and cars were screened carefully in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11.

Nor are the players monitored as they come and go during the week, making it relatively simple for players to leave guns in cars parked outside stadiums or to bring them into locker rooms, a number of players said.

A league spokesman, Greg Aiello, maintained that players' bags are searched on game days. The NFL has a broad policy that firmly discourages gun ownership and prohibits players from bringing guns to team facilities. League officials say they think the policy has been successful.

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December 26, 2003, 10:03 AM
The first question that comes to mind is why are they seeing the guns? Are they just left laying around the room?

December 26, 2003, 10:10 AM
Well, FWIW, here in the D.C. area the NRA usually runs ads on WJFK radio during Redskins games. If the Redskins (or the NFL) were overtly anti-gun, I suspect they could bring enough pressure on WJFK to stop running NRA ads.

...but I'm just speculating.

December 26, 2003, 10:31 AM
It's the New York Times--surprise!--that sees guns as a "concern." Nothing scarier to those guys than an armed, "crazed," testosterone-rich mesomorph.

December 26, 2003, 10:59 AM
Fans are screened for weapons as they enter the gates, with security personnel routinely patting them down and checking their belongings.

So I guess the article assumes that these rich athletes have no need to protect themselves when they leave the stadium in their expensive cars?:rolleyes:

The worst part about this article is that professional athletes probably get away with defending themselves in cities like DC, NYC, Chicago and LA while us mere civilians have to remain unarmed.

December 26, 2003, 11:06 AM
From the article:

"Of course, not all N.F.L. players own guns. Jets quarterback Vinny Testaverde, San Diego Chargers quarterback Doug Flutie and the suspended Tampa Bay wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson have all made the National Rifle Association's list of people in support of gun control."

Probably anti-gun like Feinstein: "No guns for the serfs but I must have a gun to protect my self from the serfs."

El Tejon
December 26, 2003, 11:27 AM
During my high school/undergrad years, I worked at a Galyan's (now a foofoo yuppie outdoorsy chain) down the road from the training complex of the Indianapolis Colts. I believe I sold a firearm to every single member of the team and the coaching staff.

[Please forgive my ignorance, and this will sound silly to some] It was my first realization that many Blacks were just as "into" firearms as I was. I sold many a shotgun, rifle or pistol to African-American Colt players who spoke with the same misty eyedness that I get when remembering the first time plinking or hunting (mainly in the South). At first I was stunned as I had lived 17 years and had never run across a shooter of African-American heritage, but I realized that people are all the same--we all love guns.:D

December 26, 2003, 12:27 PM
"League officials say they think the policy has been successful". Successful? As in what was the goal that resulted in this success? As a coincidence I was just listening to ESPN Radio, and the sub for Tony Kornheiser ranted ad nauseum about NFL players and their need to own guns. The players often hurt themselves, for instance, I'll bet it's not widely known outside of Nashville that Titans squeaky clean Steve McNair, avid hunter and gun afficionado got a DUI earlier this year while carrying(he has a valid CCW). On top of that a cop who does Titans security tried to get the arresting officer to drop the charges-and got a 15 day suspension from the force for his efforts. Clearly these players need to carry for their own protection, and it is their right to do so, but like all citizens who choose to purchase and carry they should do so with a measure of responsibility.

December 26, 2003, 12:42 PM
ESPN is anti gun, but not the NFL. THis sounds like a case of someone in the minoirty of nfl players, (Someone who is not into guns) noticing guns and thinking it's a problem. The NFL is one of the last bastions of old AMerican values we have left in the sporting world.

December 27, 2003, 01:14 AM
Maybe the NFL is scared because the majority of the players, and likely the majority of gun-owning players are....

Black !!!!! :eek: :uhoh: :what:

The rich, white owners must be concerned. :p

Remember, the NFL is a very PC, socialist industry.

Revenue sharing !!?!!

Salary caps? ??!?!

Did I use enough smileys on that?

December 27, 2003, 01:33 AM
I find it disturbing that I live in a world where I can even read the phrase 'ESPN is anti-gun'.

To me, that's like 'The Food Network is anti-gun'.

December 27, 2003, 08:20 AM
From the third page...

"The N.F.L. became the first sports league to create a formal gun policy in 1996, in an attempt to curtail gun ownership by players. The policy also discourages keeping registered guns at home."

As far as I've found, it never gives any more specifics.

December 27, 2003, 09:42 AM
Oh gawd, please don't be anti-gun NFL... I've boycotted enough things. I'd really like to still be able to watch football on Sunday. :(

"Almost every player I knew had one. Guns are rampant in football. You have all these players packing guns wherever they go. It's a disaster waiting to happen."

Take a hint. All those guns, all those players... and how many locker room shoot outs have we heard of? How many air planes or buses erupt in gunfire?


Hmm... maybe, just maybe your 'problem' is imagined. Maybe there is no disaster waiting to happen... maybe you just have some issues to work out. See, this is the result of a culture where it becomes acceptable, even admirable to have a gun phobia. Too few people telling these folks that there is something wrong with them.

December 27, 2003, 10:11 AM
I wouldn't say that ESPN is anti-gun. Disney (which owns ESPN), on the other hand, is definitely anti-gun. If ESPN were anti-gun then I doubt we'd see the hunting shows every weekend.

December 27, 2003, 10:31 AM
That's a good point, D-boy. I am thinking that a lot of their page 2 columnists are anti-gun, though. Maybe they are just leftists. Easterbrook is the main one I'm thinking of. He's always bashing Bush and stuff. I actually quit reading his column because of the liberal bent it carries.

Mark Tyson
December 27, 2003, 11:51 AM
Here's the New York Times breathlessly reporting people doing ... absolutely nothing wrong.

December 27, 2003, 11:56 AM
Dannyboy, I am confused a little by your post.

If Disney is anti gun, and Disney owns ESPN, then how is ESPN not anti gun?

What exactly has Disney done that is anti gun?

December 27, 2003, 01:47 PM
Although Disney may own ESPN, they don't control what ESPN airs on its channels. If ESPN were anti-gun they why would they show those hunting shows? As for Disney being anti-gun, I think you can find plenty of evidence if you do a search on this site.

December 27, 2003, 05:04 PM

Its easy to find anti-Disney rhetoric on this site, but facts are another matter.

December 27, 2003, 05:20 PM
Thank God! Finally there is something that I can boycott that I already have no interest in whatsever.

December 27, 2003, 08:22 PM
A.) If the NFL players were shooting each other, I'd say there's a problem;
but, they're not.

B.) "Disney is anti-gun": I bet Walt is rolling in his grave: remember "Davey Crockett"? Fess Parker and Buddy Ebson (and their rifles) brought millions of $$$s to the Disney empire.

.........bunch of hypocritical wussies:banghead:

December 29, 2003, 12:39 PM
Let me see if I get it-ESPN can't be anti-gun because they air hunting shows? How about this-ESPN can be anti-gun and smart enough to air hunting programs at the same time because it's a business, and if you want to give ESPN ad $$$ they'll televise anything!

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