Scout Scoping a Winchester 94


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chas08
December 23, 2010, 12:07 PM
I have one I'm considering doing this to. I've searched the archives and found scores of marlins but virtually no 94's. Has any one done this? What mount do I need? Pictures would help. Thanks in advance....chas

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LeverGunJunkie
December 23, 2010, 12:38 PM
Depends if you have a Top Eject or Angle Eject model. If top eject, there are limited options at best. Sparing you all the options, the best one I've seen and used on my old MDL 94 is the XS Sights Scout Scope mount. It mounts the scope forward of the receiver on the barrel. It requires the use of an intermediate eye relief scope (IER). Leupold and Burris makes them. Maybe others. I put the Leupold M8 2.5x on mine and like it very much. Affects the balance of the carbine a little, but worth it if you have to have a scope.

http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html

I'm a fan of XS products. I've mounted their peep sights on 2 other carbines I have and they're great.

If AE, there is a good selection of mounts/bases out there and you shouldn't have a problem finding what you need at MidwayUSA or Cabelas, etc.

chas08
December 23, 2010, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the reply. Mine is the old top eject model. I would definitely have to go with a EER scope mounted forward of the action. I don't care for the side mount arrangement. I looked at the XS mount on Midways website. But it says for model 94 AE. I don't want to spend $50+ dollars on something that won't work.

d2wing
December 23, 2010, 02:24 PM
I've used side mounts on a top eject 30-30. I think they are fine. Not for fine shooting but niether are scout setups.

rcmodel
December 23, 2010, 02:35 PM
THe XS Lever-Scout mount uses the barrels rear sight dovetail at the front, and the drilled & tapped scope base holes in the top of the receiver at the rear for attachment.

Standard top-eject 94's don't have scope base holes in the top of the receiver obvously.
Not to mention the Scout mount would block ejection of the cases.

rc

chas08
December 23, 2010, 04:17 PM
Standard top-eject 94's don't have scope base holes in the top of the receiver obvously.
Not to mention the Scout mount would block ejection of the cases.The XS mount that I looked at on the Midway site looked like it only used the forwad scope mount holes, well forward of the ejection port. My older model obviously doesn't have these holes, but it does have the same available space forward of the ejection port. I wonder if it could be drilled and tapped?

Abel
December 23, 2010, 10:02 PM
The good people over at XS can direct you to the right parts for an older 94. Just call them. Their contact info is on their website.

LeverGunJunkie
December 23, 2010, 10:22 PM
Gents;
I have the XS scope mounts on my Model 94 TOP EJECT. I'm not making this up. XS makes a mount that works on the TOP EJECT 94. It is rock solid and I use it every hunting season. You can order it from Brownell's, or directly from XS sights. It mounts on the forward part of the receiver and the rear sight dovetail. It is a great set-up and superior to the side mounts. The scout scope is great for thick woods hunting, allowing the shooter to use both eyes. If you want to scope a T/E 94, it isn't going to get better.

Abel is right, the XS folks will square you away.

AK103K
December 23, 2010, 10:42 PM
I had the XS Scout mount on one of my 94(AE) Trappers. While it worked, I really hated what it and the scope did to the whole feel of the gun, so I ditched it in favor of their ghost ring. The ghost ring left the gun basically intact, and didnt mess with the balance and feel.


Dont get me wrong on the scout thing, I do like it and have a Savage scout, and have, and have had other guns set up that way, including M1A's and AK's. Some things are just better left alone though.

W.E.G.
December 23, 2010, 10:45 PM
Step away from the drill!

Do not mutilate a Model 94 that is not factory-drilled.

chas08
December 24, 2010, 08:25 AM
Step away from the drill! Yeah... I really don't want to do that either. I'm going to investigate the XS site and Brownells. Thanks to all for the input. I was really hoping to see pictures of a 94 already set up.

Sav .250
December 24, 2010, 08:43 AM
If you need a scope that`s one thing but the 94 looks and feels so much better with a peep sight . You may have to give up some shots due to various reasons but it kind of keeps the 94 as originally intended....clean,simple with the look of yester-year. Scope if you like and enjoy the combo. :)

Tirod
December 24, 2010, 09:43 AM
It appears in the link the scope base is secured at the rear by the dovetail. In front, it seems to replace the front handguard band. It's noted it will only fit round barrels, not octagon.

We're not limited to long eye relief pistol scopes to make this work. Considering the range and application, a red dot would be smaller and less obstrusive in style, and work just as good. Pistol shooters are already using them further forward with their arms extended, mounted just forward of the receiver would be 1/2 as far and effective. The size could be handled by short piece of rail covering the dovetail only.

kBob
December 24, 2010, 01:49 PM
Believe it or not folks "scout scoped" Win94s in the late 1960s and easrly 1970s.

One outfit made a LER scope with + reticle and another made a red dot that used available light to "power" the dot.

Everything old is new again!

About five years back I saw one of the LER scopes and mounts at a small local show for mere $100 but I always promise myself to walk an entire show before spending my limited cash......one day I will learn, as you guessed it, in 10 minutes it was gone.

-kBob

SwampWolf
December 25, 2010, 10:46 AM
If you need a scope that`s one thing but the 94 looks and feels so much better with a peep sight . You may have to give up some shots due to various reasons but it kind of keeps the 94 as originally intended....clean,simple with the look of yester-year.

Yep, my feelings exactly.
Merry CHRISTmas to all!

chas08
December 29, 2010, 08:56 AM
Before spending money on something I would only be doing on a whim. I decided to do a little "BUBBA" research. I wrapped the barrel and foregrip with a folded paper towel and "Duct Taped" a small shotgun scope to it in about the area that a scout scope would sit. As it turns out, I didn't care for the "Feel" at all. So for now the 94 stays as is.

rodregier
December 29, 2010, 12:32 PM
Chas08 makes a good suggestion of prototyping and trialing the concept beforehand to see if it still appeals to you.


Leupold *used* to make a forward mount for the T/E W94. Purchased the mount in a private sale several years ago and installed it along with a Burris LER scope. Pretty reasonable setup. Just wished my W94 was more accurate :-( Townsend Whelen was right :-)

"Only accurate rifles are interesting" - TW

thunder173
December 29, 2010, 12:41 PM
I have my Dad's pre 64 Model 94. It has been Scout Scoped since probably 1962 or before. It sports a 2X Weaver LER, on a Weaver mount that the rifle was drilled and tapped for way back when. My Dad used that gun for deer until his death in 1979,..and I have used it many times since. I make a point to shoot it some every year, even if I don't hunt it. I have never had to adjust the scope since 1979!!! What's even more remarkable,..my son has fired it a number of times,..and the scopes setting is good for him as well. It will be passed on to him.

Carl N. Brown
December 29, 2010, 01:00 PM
Years ago some folks would mount a Bushnell pistol scope on the barrel of the top ejecting Win !894 (in fact there was a commercial mount made for that purpose).

threoh8
December 29, 2010, 07:06 PM
You might look for an old Redfield FrontIER scope and mount for your 94. They occasionally show up at gun shows and old gun stores. It used a small diameter (3/4") low power (2X) scope with a quick-detachable base. The base replaced the rear sight, and incorporated a somewhat adjustable emergency sight.

It does make for quick sighting.

I saw one on Ebay while working up this post.

Bullet Bob
December 29, 2010, 08:27 PM
Another possibility is one of the small Burris "Fastfire" reflex/red dots. Turnbull's makes a mount that goes in the rear sight dovetail, and the sight fastens to that. No magnification, but light and quick, and no modification to the gun.

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