[bushmaster1313]

It was not possible to buy a gun in New Jersey on Thursday or Friday of this past week. The NJ NICS system was "down".

Bummer. I wanted to pick up my latest acquisition from the FFL to whom it had been shipped and it was simply not possible.

I did get to see it and I filled out the paper work to be submitted on Monday, but all I have are the pictures from Gunbroker:

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/Flite%20King/flitekingauction1.jpg


http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/Flite%20King/flitekingauction2.jpg


http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/Flite%20King/flitekingauction3.jpg


http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/Flite%20King/flitekingauction4.jpg

P.S., the FFL was very responsible, first thing out of the box and he measured the barrel--18 1/8 inches, exactly how they left the High Standard Factory.

[bannockburn]

bushmaster1313

I can see why you would be eager to pick this one up from your dealer! That is one very minty looking High Standard Riot Gun. I know they weren't built for many years (like from the mid '60's to the early '70's), so to find one in such great shape is quite the find.

[bigfatdave]

The NJ NICS system was "down".
The burden is on them, they can drop it and go to the Federal system (which is enough damn infringement already) or they can just drop it.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Elected officials who put such infringements in should be unemployed rapidly.

[ultradoc]

man that is NICE

[longhair75]

I haven't seen one of those for sale in a long time. I have one I bought new in 1976 or so. They are a great home defender.

[bushmaster1313]

The burden is on them, they can drop it and go to the Federal system (which is enough damn infringement already) or they can just drop it.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Elected officials who put such infringements in should be unemployed rapidly.


I think they just took a two day vacation

[MAUSER88]

OUTSTANDING!!!! Great find!!

[Lovesbeer99]

I have a question - Doesn't NICS stand for NATIONAL Instant Check System?
That would mean you couldn't buy a gun in any state if the system was down. This is not a Jersey thing right?

Also, if the instant check system is down, the only other option is to call it in. Sometimes when you do that you can't get through cause everyone else is calling it in.

Sorry in advance but I agree with the dealer. It's better to wait for the system to be available and perform the check correctly then to just throw up your hands and let the gun go.

1 last thought. The last 2 days were Christmas Eve and Christmas day. I'd venture to guess that these were national holidays and that the Federal employees were off for the day. This would suggest that the system was not available.

[bushmaster1313]

It's a New Jersey thing.

Can't buy a gun in New Jersey on a Sunday or after 7 pm.:fire:

[potmetal]

Sorry about the delay, but it'll be worth it when you have that classy looking shotgun in your hands.
I grew up in N.J., but wasn't into shooting back then. I visited the state a couple years ago. I had some free time, around family reunions, and visited a store that had guns. Since I didn't have a FOID card, or whatever you call them, the shop clerks acted like I was unclean just being back by the gun counter. I left, I could tell I was making them nervous. Too bad, I really like living in Missouri now.

[Ala Dan]

Great look'in firearm there, my friend~! Enjoy~! ;)

[bushmaster1313]

Here is my first High Standard with cousin Steven:

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/stevens%20and%20high/CIMG0048_0004.jpg

[zoom6zoom]

I have a question - Doesn't NICS stand for NATIONAL Instant Check System?
In this case, it's "NOT Instant Check System".

[rbernie]

Each state has the option of adding an additional background check (or any other restriction) that they please onto the transfer process. NJ, like several other states, imposes a NJ LEO check in front of and in addition to the National NICS call, so it's not just simply a matter of having the Federal NICS system up/down....

[mp510]

Connecticut is similar. Christmas Eve was a state (cost saving) furlough day, and I believe that the state was closed for Christmas too, soo....

Nice High Standard. It should be very slick. Pay attention to the retaining nut on the front of the pump. Mine came off during a match and screwed my day up. (A little blue loc-tite fixed it).

How much did that one run you?

[pitsmile]

I grew up in N.J., but wasn't into shooting back then. I visited the state a couple years ago. I had some free time, around family reunions, and visited a store that had guns. Since I didn't have a FOID card, or whatever you call them, the shop clerks acted like I was unclean just being back by the gun counter. I left, I could tell I was making them nervous. Too bad, I really like living in Missouri now.

Yes, I am a current resident. :cuss:

[galapoola]

You didn't get the memo? I did and rushed to the store after work. Tuesday was shotgun day in NJ.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_uCwdT1lftKw/TRPpj-1YgYI/AAAAAAAAAQk/q5zo_4cAeDs/s800/savage_30_series_g.jpg

[killchain]

It's a New Jersey thing.

Can't buy a gun in New Jersey on a Sunday or after 7 pm.:fire:
That's a bucket of [redacted.]

EDIT=Referring to that stupid law, not the shotgun.

You gonna post pics of that beauty on Monday when you go get it? :)

[lokpyrite]

Nice looking shotgun, Arizona accepts refugees, even those from NJ.

[bigfatdave]

That is a nice looking shotgun.

I'm still appalled at the arrogance of setting up a redundant background check and then not staffing the mickey-mouse office that pretends to do them for the state. Un-employ your politicians by any means necessary, they think you're a criminal and treat you like one.

[dadof6]

I got a call that my handgun permit was ready - thursday afternoon. took me 5 minutes to go from the PD to the dealer where my FNP 45 USG has been cooling for over 3 weeks now. the ffl couldn't get through to NJ NICS. They actually shut down their phone lines due to insufficient staff to handle the calls. You then have the option of faxing your NICS in, but then the reserve the right to take 3 business days. My ffl tried again friday am calling every 15 minutes and again, NJ shut down the phone lines. He then faxed the NICS in. Saturday was Christmas and not a business day. So Monday will be day one.

We truly live in a prison state. We have the FID card (background check including fingerprinting), then for handgun, you need a separate permit - fill out the permit app, fill out a criminal background check, and a mental health check. NJ "shall issue" thepermit within 30 days but few seldom do. My PD is fairly good about that. But then after all that, they make the ffl call the state PD who then calls NICS.

Oh, and we have to pay $15 for the service. Plus tax.

I feel like I am in some kind of mental training discipline for patience.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr. :(

[WTBguns10kOK]

I hereby grant New Jersey the permission to secede, unannounced, at the time of their choosing, with emphasis on sooner-rather-than-later, and no immediate or future financial penalty, asking only in return that they keep the disease known fully as "New Jersey" confined to their border.

[bushmaster1313]

I got a call that my handgun permit was ready - thursday afternoon. took me 5 minutes to go from the PD to the dealer where my FNP 45 USG has been cooling for over 3 weeks now. the ffl couldn't get through to NJ NICS.

Major Bummer!
How long did you have to wait for the pistol purchase permit?

More Bummer, Monday looks like a snow day.
How long does a body have to wait to satistfy the urge to take possession of a gun paid for two weeks ago?

One more of the Gunbroker pictures:

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/bushmaster1313/Flite%20King/flitekingauction5.jpg

[sunnynice]

wow, that's amazing for sure.

[LawScholar]

That stock is gorgeous.

[Conan1]

New Jersey should have a mass exodus taking the taxes their paying with them. I simply can't understand a whole state of people that are letting their 2nd amendment rights away from them. I feel blessed and very lucky to live and have grown up in Kentucky where I can open carry, concealed carry, walk into a gunshop and walk out with the weapon of my choosing when and if I want. I have had a CW for 15 yrs, been stopped by LEO's and never had a problem. They ask if and where I have a weapon, I say right beside me. My weapons always have a round chambered. New Jersey is a communist state and evidently does not think their constituents have enough brains to be able to walk the streets. I happen to agree with them! Its self evident from your laws!

[dadof6]

"Major Bummer!
How long did you have to wait for the pistol purchase permit?"

I purchased the gun Nov 27th and it shipped the next day. so about 3.5 weeks I had to wait for the permit. I called the PD to make sure they got my references, and I got a call back from the Chief asking if I needed it for Christmas. Told him not necessarily, but I would like to secure it as it has been waiting so long. I had the permit about 3 days later.

I'm not sure if it is the descretion of the local PD or the State PD background checks that takes so long. but it usually takes just about 30 days in my town, which is VERY good compared to everywhere else in the state.

[dadof6]

New Jersey should have a mass exodus taking the taxes their paying with them. I simply can't understand a whole state of people that are letting their 2nd amendment rights away from them. I feel blessed and very lucky to live and have grown up in Kentucky where I can open carry, concealed carry, walk into a gunshop and walk out with the weapon of my choosing when and if I want. I have had a CW for 15 yrs, been stopped by LEO's and never had a problem. They ask if and where I have a weapon, I say right beside me. My weapons always have a round chambered. New Jersey is a communist state and evidently does not think their constituents have enough brains to be able to walk the streets. I happen to agree with them! Its self evident from your laws!
Right on all counts. we have uber-liberal media and legislators. our voice just cannot get heard. there is all kinds of legislation proposed - CCW, relaxed crazy laws etc. just cant get them moved.

Mass exodus - actually, that is happening. I hope to part of the flight next year. Anybody has good suggestions of gun friendly, conservative and good homeschooling states, please let me know!

[bushmaster1313]

That stock is gorgeous.


Thanks, it does have a few flecks of white paint on the stock.
Will have to decide whether I leave it be or refinish it with Tru-Oil after stripping and sanding.
Decisions...Decisions :D

[Still Shooting]

I had to live in "snakebit" New Jersey for awhile...it took 3 years to rearrange my career priorities and get north to the Adirondacks - for good! It wasn't that the laws in NJ were that much more restrictive (this was in the early 90's), it was just that no one in a position of authority - especially the NJ State Police - paid any attention to the laws!

[JohnBT]

"Could not buy a gun in NJ Thursday or Friday"

I'd bet you couldn't do it on Christmas day either. That's life.

If it's like Virginia, you couldn't go to the motor vehicle administation office to get plates or do any of that car-related stuff either.

I tell you, it's a conspiracy against honest, hard working Americans. We demand 24x7 catering to our wishes. :)

[bushmaster1313]

If it's like Virginia, you couldn't go to the motor vehicle administation office to get plates or do any of that car-related stuff either.


Could you buy a gun in Virginia last Thursday?

Can you buy a gun in Virginia on a Sunday?

I would bet that more people wanted to buy a gun on Thursday December 23 or Friday December 24 than on any other day this entire past year.

The public servants at New Jersey NICS have their salaries paid by me to be up and running absent an emergency or an official day off.

[Stebalo]

I took what I thought was a 2-3 year gig in NJ only to end up trapped there for 7 years. I finally escaped and am loving life in Texas. It used to crack me up when I'd drive to Philly. I forget which bridge it was but there was a sign that said, "Philadelphia - America starts here". That sign was more true than they realized. I always thought they should just have the army corp of engineers tow NJ to sea and let it be it's own independent nation. It certainly wants to acts like one. When I first moved to NJ in 2000, the lady at the DMV asked for my passport. I realize this may be commonplace since 9/11 but back then I was rather taken aback. They didn't accept my PA license as ID. All I'd needed to get my PA license was my birth certificate. I told the lady, "last time I checked, New Jersey was part of the United States." I was new then and as such was still rather naive. I left New Jersey largely due to the gun laws. Combine that with the high cost of living, corrupt government, public job creation outstripping industry job creation, and private industry jobs fleeing out of state, there was little impetus to stay.

The census data paints a more complete picture:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/12/states-taxing.html

[denfoote]

I hereby grant New Jersey the permission to secede, unannounced, at the time of their choosing, with emphasis on sooner-rather-than-later, and no immediate or future financial penalty, asking only in return that they keep the disease known fully as "New Jersey" confined to their borde

How about using however many nukes it takes to sever Joisey from the Continental US, then have it towed out into the Atlantic.
If it works, we can do the same with New York.

[Davek1977]

actually, that is happening. I hope to part of the flight next year. Anybody has good suggestions of gun friendly, conservative and good homeschooling states, please let me know!

AS a gun owner in SD, I have never had ANY issues whatsoever.....got a carry permit at 18, relaxed laws, and probbaly FAR more guns than people around these parts. I couldn't wait to "grow up" and move away after college....but had enough experience with the real world by that point that I decided leaving wasn't such a great idea after all

[geekWithA.45]

I hereby grant New Jersey the permission to secede,

Unfortunately, the 1865 civil war settled the questions as to whether a state may secede. For lengthy reasons out of scope for this thread, I think that question was settled wrongly, and many babies got tossed out with the bathwater there, but I digress.

Fortunately, the question as to whether a state may be forcible ejected from the union remains deliciously, tantalizingly open. :evil::neener:

It is my opinion that $DEITY foresaw that need, and provided us with convenient geography, so that all we really need to do to quarantine that place is to blow the bridges and mine the river. :evil::neener:

[JohnBT]

Could you buy a gun in Virginia last Thursday?

Can you buy a gun in Virginia on a Sunday?

_____________

I couldn't buy one last night at 3 a.m. Does it prove the government is evil?

Yep, I guess I've been infringed. Is that a word?

Whining makes my head hurt. Grown men whining really makes it hurt. Grown men whining and crying is a whole class of its own.

John

[oneounceload]

Mass exodus - actually, that is happening. I hope to part of the flight next year. Anybody has good suggestions of gun friendly, conservative and good homeschooling states, please let me know!

Try TN - brother and SIL homeschool there and find it great. Another is SC

Good luck


Could you buy a gun in Virginia last Thursday?

Can you buy a gun in Virginia on a Sunday?

In many Eastern states, you can't hunt on a Sunday - they want you to be in church

[WTBguns10kOK]

It is my opinion that $DEITY foresaw that need, and provided us with convenient geography, so that all we really need to do to quarantine that place is to blow the bridges and mine the river.

Yes and yes.

[Murphy4570]

I purchased the gun Nov 27th and it shipped the next day. so about 3.5 weeks I had to wait for the permit. I called the PD to make sure they got my references, and I got a call back from the Chief asking if I needed it for Christmas. Told him not necessarily, but I would like to secure it as it has been waiting so long. I had the permit about 3 days later.

I'm not sure if it is the descretion of the local PD or the State PD background checks that takes so long. but it usually takes just about 30 days in my town, which is VERY good compared to everywhere else in the state.

I filed for a rifle/shotgun permit and pistol permit in West Deptford 3 MONTHS ago, and have yet to hear a damned PEEP from the PD.

I went there today to ask what the hold-up was, and got the run-around. Got a "it's approved when its approved we'll call you" answer. I am right mad.

[Olevern]

I retired from law enforcement in N.J. after 27 1/2 years and promptly listed my address to forward my pension as my house in Potter County, Pa. Never looked back. I have waited as long as six months for permit to purchase pistol permits, despite the fact that I was a state law enforcement official. In the communist state of N.J., one must file for the pistol permits with the police dept. having juristiction over your place of residence. Local police consistently ignore the part of the law that states that the permits must be issued or rejected within 30 days. Once my collection reached a certain level, I would purchase pistols/revolvers at various gun shops throughout the state and just have the lgs store them for me until I had enough transfers to make it worth my while to go down the the local police dept. and deal with their bad attitudes, usually that meant I applied for multiple permits about every six months. Sometimes I was applying for a new batch of permits before the last batch came in. It profited naught to inquire, inquiries usually prolonged the wait. When I retired, my wife, my dog and my gun safes went north and I have never looked back. My plan only bit me one time when I purchased a very nice S&W 27-2, 6 1/2inch revolver for the princely sum of $275.00 (about seven years ago) and when I took the permits in a half year later, the revolver couldn't be found. Dealer eventually admitted that he had 'mistakenly' sold it and offered to refund my money. I told the dealer I wanted it replaced, as it was worth considerably more than I had paid for it. After having dealt with this dealer for probably 30 years with countless firearms purchases, the dealer balked and said to me 'I can't believe you would let a couple of hundred dollars ruin our friendship'. Guess you could say it did, but somehow I didn't/don't see how I was the one being unreasonable.