ER Shaw barrel quality


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burrhead
December 26, 2010, 10:48 PM
I have a bull-barreled M700 BDL in 22-250 thatís shot out. Iím on a budget and my thought is going with an E R Shaw barrel. My use is not shooting matches but just fun paper punching out to 300 yards. If I can stay under MOA with hand loads Iíll be happy. Iíd like to go with a Krieger or Lija but SWMBO wouldnít love it. Opinions on Shaw?

TIA

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jpwilly
December 26, 2010, 10:59 PM
Similar to OEM from what I've heard they should shoot good don't expect a match barrel for this price though.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=234918

Finprof
December 26, 2010, 11:07 PM
As JPWilly says, they are similar to OEM barrels. In fact, Shaw makes barrels for rifle manufacturers. If you want to change caliber to something more exotic it won't be difficult to do.
If you are replacing an original barrel it would probably be a good way to go. Your new barrel will be no better or worse than the original. A Hart, Krieger or Lilja will be better.

R.W.Dale
December 26, 2010, 11:15 PM
As noted shaw is a good OE grade barrel.

They seem to shoot good and some report great results. Just don't expect the same results as from a hand lapped barrel on average and youll be well served.

GooseGestapo
December 27, 2010, 07:24 AM
My experience of one, is that they are as good as any other except for perhaps the very top end barrels from Hart or Krieger.

My .257Roberts built in 1984 used an E.R.Shaw barrel with the "so called" 3" Roberts chamber. It was installed on a 1938 LaCarouna M98 action that was milled, drilled and tapped, turned down Brownells bolt handle installed, and polished and blued with a 400grit finish (very deeply polished blue). A Timney "Sportsman" trigger was also installed. The finished metal was put into a Bishop #3 grade stock that was finished with a hand rubbed finish and checkered with an extensive pointed pattern similar to the Remington M700 Mountain rifle. Finished rifle weighs 7.25lbs with 2x-7x Leupold Vari-X II in Leupold bases and rings, WITH 5rds and sling.

The finished rifle will get 3,100fps with a Hornady 100gr PtSpt over 48.5gr of H4831 and has shot more than one sub 1" 3-shot groups at 200yds. 5-shot groups at 100yds usually ran to about 0.75" After I let it develope some mid-bore pitting, (long story, involves an extended hunt in very wet conditions) It will still shoot MOA until bore gets copper fouled.

In 1987 I dropped a white-tail doe at a surveyed 345yds, and in 1993 a Mule deer at 390yds along the Marias River in uppper Montana. I also have killed the two biggest deer I've ever killed with that rifle. The rifle has also taken over 100 deer over the past 26years.

I've been satisifed with my E.R.Shaw barrel.
If OEM means that it's as accurate as my Remington 700ADL express (sporter taper barrel and synthetic stock) with Remington "OEM" barrel which will "on demand" put 5 Sierra 50, 55, or 63gr bullets into 1/2" or less at 100yds , then OEM is good enough for me.

However, if you want "mediocrity" in a barrel, get an Adams&Bennett. My MkX Mauser in .338/06 is a 2moa barrel. But, it kills anything that its fired at if I do my part. Barrel and installation by gunsmith still cost me less than $100 in 2003. Barrel cost $60 on clearance from MidwayUSA. I still think I paid too much........ gunsmith only charged me $40.00 to screw it on and finish ream the chamber.

joed
December 27, 2010, 08:01 AM
About 4 years ago I went through this with a 700 VS BDL in .25-06 that I bought new in 1978. I went with Krieger. I will tell you I balked at the price Krieger gave me as it was quite expensive. So I started calling around to places near me that specialized in building bench rest rifles.

I found a place near me that did the work for about 40% cheaper then what Krieger wanted and they offered barrels by Krieger or Hart. I went with the best Krieger barrel I could get my hands on.

I believe I paid $450 for the finished rifle. The rifle now shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. The amazing thing is cleanup. The new barrel will clean up with just 2 patches, something the original barrel never did. I also went with a standard chamber as the builder offered a tighter chamber with better accuracy but I would have had to gotten involved in neck turning the cases.

My advice is to go with the best barrel you can, in my case it was well worth it.

R.W.Dale
December 27, 2010, 10:23 AM
Adams and Bennett = ER Shaw sold by midwayusa


Sorry to ruin your entire post there Goose

hardluk1
December 27, 2010, 10:23 AM
All Krieger barrels are of the same quality. Just pick the profile you want,break it in the way krieger ask you to and you will be complately impressed . My hunter uses a #6 profile and will shoot 2" groups at 400 yards with a hornady heavy mag load. barrel shoot clean after break in and is worth ever dollar i invested in it.

jpwilly
December 27, 2010, 10:38 AM
Adams and Bennett = ER Shaw

I'm of the opinion that Adams and Bennett is the brand name given to XXX Brand (possibly ER Shaw maybe others?) factory 2nds because Adams and Bennett doesn't mfg any barrels in house.

BrocLuno
December 27, 2010, 12:27 PM
OK, if you are on a tight budget, I have to ask - what part of your barrel is "shot out"?

If it's only the throat and leade, why not consider having it set back 1" with a new chamber and throat reamed in? Yeah, you might loose 75 FPS, but maybe not given that it will have a new throat & leade that will seal quicker.

As long as they are doing this, they will have your old barrel in the lathe, so a new recessed target crown is a gimme. Once done, I'll bet you get all you want in accuracy?

If the rifling is shot out, or you have corrosion pits, all bets are off :(

nastynatesfish
December 27, 2010, 04:18 PM
I've bought 5 barrels total from er shaw. And have not one complaint on accuracy or service. The last was a helical fluted 26 CM that I put on my 7mm mag. It will out shoot my buddies shilen with his ammo. Maybe a while back they were a cheap barrel maker but wasn't Savage rifles too. Ill buy from shaw before anyone else and use the money I save to get a finish or something else.

Curator
December 27, 2010, 06:54 PM
Like most shooters I have only re-barreled rifles that weren't shooting very well or had serious bore rust. That said, I have been extremely happy with the four rifles that E.R. Shaw rebarrled for me. All are very accurate, certainly as good or better than run of the mill factory. The M38 Jap Arasaka that had been "bubafied" by my Dad in the 50's had a sewerpipe barrel. Shaw screwed in a varmint-weight tube in 260 Remington and it shoots 1/2 inch 5-shot groups at 100 yards (after the action was pillar bedded and acra-glassed in)

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