The new generation loves guns.


PDA






WonderNine
December 27, 2003, 04:05 AM
Sorry, this is a drunken post, but I believe it to be true. I want to say "blah" to all the doom sayers that think that we are on a downhill slide regarding gun ownership. Do you know how many Counterstrike babies want to own a Desert Eagle in .50AE??? And all these violent movies nowadays that are making kids (I'm 24 so anyone younger than me is a kid) want to own Samarai swords and M16's?

If you enjoyed reading about "The new generation loves guns." here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
esheato
December 27, 2003, 04:10 AM
We should outlaw booze. For the 'kids'.

:scrutiny:

esheato...

WonderNine
December 27, 2003, 04:38 AM
Oh darn. Well that would mean less gun enthusiests.....and that's bad...;)

MicroBalrog
December 27, 2003, 05:23 AM
Do you know how many Counterstrike babies want to own a Desert Eagle in .50AE???

LOL, well, it was actually role-playing that made me a gun nut, but heck you're RIGHT WONDERNINE!
:)

Press on to absolute victory!

clubsoda22
December 27, 2003, 06:42 AM
i'm a white, suburban 18yo "kid" and i own a Taurus PT92, a Bersa Thunder .380, an HK USP .40 and a Winchester 1300 Defender 12ga. Video games and movies were not an influence in my gun selection. Note that if they were i'd probably own a Glock (because that's what all "real" gangsta's carry) and a Desert Eagle (because it's oh so photogenic)

I love it when i hear fools talk about what guns they'd like and their saying the video game names (you know, something that's slightly off). Half the time i can pick out what game it came from. For instance, when Nintendo 64 was in it's prime and "Goldeneye" was the popular game you'd hear about people wanting an "AR33" or "Cougar Magnum" like they actually existed. :rolleyes:

artherd
December 27, 2003, 07:26 AM
I confess, movies made me first want an AR-15, because of the cool pattern made by the A2 flash hiders, and the neat metallic sound of the bolts.

artherd
December 27, 2003, 09:18 AM
One problem, I have noticed a number of the 'new generation' love the video game guns.

But are just the same fearful and un-educated hypocritical wussies when it comes to REAL firearms.

In other words, twenty-somethings living in a fantasy world (this coming from another twenty-something.)

Daedalus
December 27, 2003, 10:02 AM
But are just the same fearful and un-educated hypocritical wussies when it comes to REAL firearms.

The easy solution to this problem is very simple

Take them to the firing range

If you have a friend, relative, or anyone else who has a "fake firearms" enthusiams, just ask them if they would like to shoot a real firearm for a change. I have tacked up 3 conversions this way.

dinosaur
December 27, 2003, 10:02 AM
You`re not going to hear or read too much about young people and firearms unless it`s a court case blaming video games or some other anti propaganda. The safe pleasures of firearms ownership Doesn`t sell newspapers or weight loss products.
:scrutiny:

HBK
December 27, 2003, 10:23 AM
I'm actually more inclined to want a video game because it is accurate in its rendition of firearms than to want a firearm I've seen in a game. I'm not a young un, though. I have seen lots of young uns who are great with video games, but as someone else stated, they have no clue or desire to handle real firearms.

LynnMassGuy
December 27, 2003, 11:58 AM
quote
"The easy solution to this problem is very simple

Take them to the firing range "


Yup!:)

longeyes
December 27, 2003, 01:21 PM
Do the survey AFTER COLLEGE and see how many gun nuts are left. Then ask yourself who's going to making policy in ten, twenty years.

longeyes
December 27, 2003, 01:24 PM
The gulf between fantasy violence, with its politically docile serfs, and the sober reponsibilities of actual gun ownership reflecting the values of the Second Amendment is HUGE. Don't be fooled. Video and computer games and gangsta kulcha do not a free Republic make.

Daedalus
December 27, 2003, 01:32 PM
Don't be fooled. Video and computer games and gangsta kulcha do not a free Republic make.

I agree, that is why it is our responsibility to instruct them.

Jeff White
December 27, 2003, 01:34 PM
The entertainment industry has always had an effect on firearms sales. How many of us older members carried a brace of engraved SAA cap guns on our hips in our tender years? S&W was on the verge of discontinuing the Model 29 before Dirty Harry came out. Then they couldn't keep up with demand for them. Beretta sold many more 92Fs then they ever would have if Lethal Weapon had never been made. You shouldn't be surprised that people want to own firearms featured in popular video games. It's just another form of entertainment.

We need to get these newly interested shooters to the range. I would be willing to bet that there are a lot of almost NIB Model 29s out there that were bought because everyone had to have one after the movie came out, that have not even had a box of ammo put through them. We need to open more ranges.....and get these budding shooters onto them.

Jeff

Mark Tyson
December 27, 2003, 02:01 PM
These are all good points, and I'll bet you that Western movies/shows have also had a positive effect on the sales of lever action rifles, single action revolvers and the like.

DigitalWarrior
December 27, 2003, 02:21 PM
I don't buy it because most sane youngsters have a clear fantasy/reality line in their head. Watching a good friend killed over and over is good fun (South Park)-fantasy. Friends dying is bad-reality. Building an army and crushing your opponents with Nuclear fire is good fun (Command and Conquer)-fantasy. Nuclear Fire is bad-reality.

Guns are fun and safe to shoot-fantasy. Guns can never be safe, Guns kill children-reality.

What we do need to do is offer alternative ideas of what constitutes reality. We need to show them that concentrating power in the hands of a few is always bad.

But we can't even convince their parents of the need to save for old age. I do not think we can show them that it can happen here.

Spot77
December 27, 2003, 02:41 PM
hey....slightly off topic question, but it does relate to marketing of guns......


There's a lot of restrictions (many varying from state to state, city to city) on the advertising of tobacco and alcohol. So what about restrictions on the advertising of guns?

Aside from the gun magazines, I don't think I've ever seen any type of advertising.


I guess if the ATF controls it (Heck, two out of three are already covered), then that's why there's no gun ads.




"Turning 21? Tired of hanging out at the bars using your fake I.D. to get in? We here at (insert favorite gun maker here) have the solution! A shiny new (insert favorite cal. here) for YOU!":p

artherd
December 27, 2003, 07:59 PM
quote
"The easy solution to this problem is very simple Take them to the firing range "


I wish it were so easy. I've asked that question, and many say "Oh my god, why would you REALLY want to shoot one of these?" or the like.


Kids today actually do have a very good and defined fantasy/reality line (overall it's good, we don't want kids clearing halways with grenades to get to 1st peroid.)

The problem is, despite embracing the healthy outlet of videogame voilence, many of them in reality are still sheeple, and need to be educated verrry slooowly, to avoid turning on the automatic-responsability-gun-gag reflex.

zahc
December 28, 2003, 10:09 AM
Aside from the gun magazines, I don't think I've ever seen any type of advertising.

Popular Mechanics runs Ruger ads.

corncob
December 29, 2003, 12:47 PM
Anything that gets people to the range is a GOOD thing. I blame that fantasy/reality line on the fact that no one hunts or raises thier own food anymore, nor does anyone bury thier own dead. Children growing up in modern society have no grasp of life and death.

Barbara
December 29, 2003, 12:55 PM
I'd suggest taking young ones who haven't been exposed to guns to a cowboy action shoot instead of a range to begin with.

cordex
December 29, 2003, 01:42 PM
Aside from the gun magazines, I don't think I've ever seen any type of advertising.
I've seen television and heard radio ads for gun stores and ranges around here.

Kharn
December 29, 2003, 02:02 PM
Having grown up playing Fallout 1 & 2 (in the games, you journey around the post-nuclear-war South-Western US, fighting off bandits, mutants and the like), and having been an Eagle Scout, I knew it was definitely good to be prepared, and to have it and not need it (instead of needing it and not having it). I bought an AR15 as my first gun, 3 years ago; I'm currently 22.

Kharn

Correia
December 29, 2003, 02:13 PM
I love broad generalizations about whole generations. They are usually so accurate.

aroshi
December 29, 2003, 03:18 PM
I blame that fantasy/reality line on the fact that no one hunts or raises thier own food anymore, nor does anyone bury thier own dead. Children growing up in modern society have no grasp of life and death.

I, also, believe that this is one large part of why our society is changing the way it is. I was a boyscout / royal ranger growing up. I did learn how to tie knots, use a hammer, paint, use my hands and my head largely from my grandfather. I was also there, holding his hand when he died. I was also a pallbearer at his funeral (and at several since then).

It amazes me, briefly, sometimes how much of those things people avoid. I don't know if it's because of a fear, or if it seems like too much work, but those are the things that define us, broaden us, and strengthen us. It's almost an insult to be classified in some P.C. way anymore as though we cannot take it otherwise. :rolleyes:

I fear for our next few generations because they do not have to face life, they are sheltered from it. :banghead: :barf:

Barbara
December 29, 2003, 03:49 PM
Bah, every generation has been annoyed by the one following it. My kids will be just fine. They face things we've never had to, and will see things we've never even imagined. I'm a little jealous, really. :)

Correia
December 29, 2003, 04:01 PM
I'm 28 and frankly I don't give a flying crap what generation anybody else wants to put me in.

People are people, in any group you will have good, bad, evil, stupid, lazy, smart, hardworking, fat, thin, tall, short, conservative, liberal, libertarian, or whatever.

Frankly I get sick and tired of huge generalizations about what a generation is going to be like, if I wanted to go off on somebody it would be folks in my parents age group because you guys brought us hippies, war protesters, and the Clintons. Therefore the generation of people in their fifties is the worst ever. :p See my point?

I think most of the complaints here are actually about the increased urbanization of the country, not any sort of generational difference. Young people don't work? Young people don't understand death because they don't kill their own food? Step the heck out of the suburbs for an afternoon and head down to someplace like Millard County Utah and then tell me that again. :)

Look, video games are a part of the entertainment culture of America, in a few decades they will probably be worth more money than movies. Millions and millions of people play video games, not just one little generation of kids that are all exactly the same. Broad generalizations suck.

ShaiVong
December 29, 2003, 05:07 PM
I'm 21, and Rainbow 6, Rogue Spear, Ghost Recon and Raven Shield is what really got me interested in guns.


My buddy took me shooting to a sand pit where I used his Beretta 92F (grew up around a Win 94 and Browning 22, and a 22mag single action revolver with a 9" barrel), which was my first time firing a semi auto pistol, or a pistol bigger than a 22.

Did a college report on defensive handgun selection, bought a G22 in the middle of the report, and the nice men over at www.handgunreview.com pointed me to TFL.

Two years and four guns later, the rest is history.
:D

If you enjoyed reading about "The new generation loves guns." here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!