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brianr23
December 29, 2010, 07:46 PM
In my last post in the rifle forum I asked opinions on a bolt action target rifle, but as a part-time milsurp collector I have a weakness for a classic rifle that has led me to traditional black powder rifles. I have never had a muzzleloader and never shot one. So, all of you veterans....if you had $800 to outfit yourself with your first traditional muzzleloader what would you get. I am looking at 85% paper punching/target rifle maybe some hunting. Possibly small game and large game. I do have a weakness for milsurp/replica milsurp. I am sure I haven't answered all the questions you may have, but I will check back... :D

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mykeal
December 29, 2010, 10:17 PM
If as issued rifles are your bag then I'd recommend an 1863 Springfield, Enfield or Zouave rifled musket. These are good large game hunting guns also, but at .58 caliber I'm afraid small game wouldn't be recommended.

I considered a Brown Bess smoothbore, but decided you'd be better off starting with a percussion sidelock. A flintlock is another world altogether, highly recommended but after you learn the basics about black powder with the percussion rifle.

Petermus
December 29, 2010, 10:55 PM
I have shot a .50 cal Lyman Great Plains Rifle since 1984 and have taken any game with it I wanted in both California and Wyoming. I now reside in Oregon and can take any critter that grows here. Gig game likebear and elk I double ball and the 1 in 60 twist barrel is as accurate as surly needed.
I bench rested and used 70 to 110 grains by voleum, triple7 powder and maintaing an inch at 100 yards per discharg and thats 380 grains of lead downrange. Gun stil can shoot better then I can and probably will when I'm gone. Hope this helps some. Petermus

J-Bar
December 29, 2010, 11:10 PM
I don't own any of these, but it's an interesting website.

I have purchased supplies from these folks, and received good service, for what it's worth.

http://www.possibleshop.com/rifle-per-musket.html

or

http://www.possibleshop.com/rifle-1859-63-sharps.html

arcticap
December 29, 2010, 11:45 PM
Take a gander at the Pedersoli models at Cherry's Fine Guns. Don't let the prices scare you off because some popular models can be found used on Gunbroker.
And I noticed that on page 1 the walnut Missouri River .50 Hawken is on sale for $795. :rolleyes:

http://www.cherrys.com/ped_rif1.htm

http://www.cherrys.com/ped_rif2.htm

M91/30
December 29, 2010, 11:55 PM
Well to be honest i only own 1 blackpowder rifle and that would be the percussion hawken .50
Great gun with tremendous accuracy, look into one, sorry i cant give you better info. http://tinyurl.com/2v4l7th

Hellgate
December 30, 2010, 12:19 AM
Since he's into mil surp maybe he would be interested in a replica or original trapdoor springfield. He just said "traditional black powder rifle." The TD is certainly a classic rifle. And an easy transition but would require some handloading skills.

brianr23
December 30, 2010, 06:26 PM
Thanks for all the input. I do like trapdoor carbines but I was looking for a muzzleloader. Although, I did stumble on a Smith Carbine. Very interesting concept. The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is on sale at Cabelas....oh the choices...like the 2-band Enfield as well....I am warming up to the idea of a large round ball downrange.

Texas Moon
December 30, 2010, 07:32 PM
As a beginner I would recommend you try a percussion rifled musket.
This will scratch the military as well as blackpowder itch. :D
You have a number of choices in modern replicas.
1861 or 1963 Springfield .58
2 or 3-band Enfields .577
1842 Springfield .69
Zouave .58
Mississippi rifle. Some in .54 and some in .58
and a smattering of others.
Any of these will serve you well. Don't forget the bayonet! :p

The Smith carbine is a nice gun but it is low powered. Not so good for larger game hunting.

brianr23
December 30, 2010, 07:40 PM
Oh My...1842 Springfield...Should I do the musket or rifled....Check this out

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3482

Jaymo
December 31, 2010, 02:23 AM
The rifled musket should give you more accuracy, but the smoothbore would be better suited to small game, as well as deer hunting. You can use it with roundball, or shot

Petermus
December 31, 2010, 12:50 PM
I dont know how to say this delicutly as possable. Accurate and smoothbore is an oxymoron. It cant happen. Oh you might throw enough lead downrange like a shotgun and get lucky but that ain't accurate. Stay with rifilings for hunting. Less wound, more kill.

4v50 Gary
December 31, 2010, 01:04 PM
Lyman Great Plains as a simple, starter gun. Good for hunting. However, if you want to do long range shots, go with an Enfield P-53 2 band short rifle. Good sights and 500 yards possibility.

mykeal
December 31, 2010, 03:53 PM
Accurate and smoothbore is an oxymoron. It cant happen.
That's just not true.

brianr23
December 31, 2010, 06:42 PM
After much debate I have decided on a 2-band Enfield. The 1842 Springfield will be next depending on how this goes...Thanks to all who gave me input. I like the Civil War connection, a rifled barrel, accuracy and looks of the Enfield. Thanks to all who helped.

RaiderANV
January 2, 2011, 10:45 PM
Hey Brian where ya located?

You might want to check out the North-South Skirmish Assoc. where we fire all War of Northern Aggression arms in live fire competition.

Main wed site www.n-ssa.org

Our message boards with a lot of guns for sale and a ton more info on all the How to's is http://n-ssa.org/phpBB3/

But be WARNED!!!!! This stuff is HIGHLY ADDICTIVE!!!!!!

We have competition over 1/2 the US I'm guessin' and you can show up and watch as they're all free to watch. You can even take a turn at shooting muskets, smooth bores or pistols. It's ALWAYS better to shoulder the actual gun before you buy one as one size does not fit all. <grin>

brianr23
January 9, 2011, 08:18 PM
I am in south Florida, by Fort Myers. I didn't go with the 2-band Enfield. After much research I found that they tend to shoot high at close ranges and I will do most of my shooting at 100-150 yds. An easy fix would be to replace the front sight post, but I went with a Lyman Great Plains rifle from Cabelas. They were on sale and I got it for $465 shipped and seemed to be a great rifle according to all I have read. I have to wait 6-7 weeks because they are backordered but that is okay. I don't doubt that if I get hooked on black powder that an Enfield or a Springfield will be in my future.

Thanks to all that gave input! The 2-Band Enfield is also on sale at Dixie for $525. It was pure agony to decide!;)

Oyeboten
January 9, 2011, 09:37 PM
"Remington Keene" - best of all both Worlds...

http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k69996_antique%20US%20Remington-Keene%20.45-70%20carbine-%2020.5-in.jpg

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