Major Saftey issue on TV show


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WALKERs210
December 30, 2010, 09:19 PM
This week was watching a cable show "Hard Core Pawn" about a pawn shop in Detroit. Some guy comes in with a home made signal cannon he wants to sell, typical setup he goes out in parking lot to show it works. The guy does something that made me flinch. Bending over the "Homemade Cannon" dumping Pyrodex down the bore and hanging from his lip was a cigarette. My wife picked up on that a second before I did. Can't beleive that the producers would even let a serious safety issue like that even get past the cutting room or at least some kind of comment about DON'T DO THIS. Makes you wonder how some people live past the age of 25.

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kameron1858
December 30, 2010, 09:40 PM
yeah thats detroit for ya... i dont even smoke when i work under the hood of old cars let alone when handling`an exlopsive I,m sorry if this breaks the fourms rules but what a DUMBASS!!!

WALKERs210
December 30, 2010, 09:51 PM
My wife has been trying for the last 13yrs to get me to quit smoking, and she loves it when I'm working with or shooting my BP guns. No smokes or lighters anywhere close. Kinda like all my body parts just like they are now and don't want any sudden adjustments from a dumb A$$ thing.

Jim K
December 30, 2010, 10:03 PM
Common sense about guns on TV? Where people shoot pistols sideways and a single bullet wipes out whole counties? Where a pretend cop holds up a dummy single barrel shotgun and reads from a script written by the Brady Bunch about the evils of assault rifles? Where a bullet blows a 250 pound man twenty feet into the air? Where crooks and private eyes engage in hour-long gunfights, complete with RPGs and tons of TNT, and never attract the attention of the real police?

That TV?

Jim

kameron1858
December 30, 2010, 10:28 PM
I,m shure this was real not staged

Packman
December 30, 2010, 10:46 PM
More than once I've asked someone not to smoke right next to me on the range, because I'm handling open black powder.

More than once I've stopped shooting for a while because they declined.

Most of them move away after I point out that it might asplode us both! :evil:

Deltaboy
December 30, 2010, 10:55 PM
There are some folks who fulfill the saying Fools go where Angels fear to walk.

Jaymo
December 31, 2010, 02:19 AM
Reality shows should be called real stupidity shows. Have you ever watched American Chopper?
I quit smoking years ago and am very glad I did. There's no one worse than a reformed smoker.

I regret nothing. Least of all, quitting smoking before I started reloading and shooting smoke poles.

Geckgo
December 31, 2010, 02:27 AM
You mean I don't have a right to poison you with the crap I put in my lungs?????

arcticap
December 31, 2010, 02:36 AM
Maybe he considered the cannon to be nothing more than akin to a matchlock muzzle loader and his lit cigarette to be nothing more than a "punk" with which to light the cannon's type of "slow match" or "match cord" fuse with. :rolleyes:

Slow Match:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_match

Punk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_(fireworks)

A punk is a smoldering stick used for lighting firework fuses. It is safer than a match or a lighter because it can be used from a greater distance and does not use an open flame. Punks often resemble sticks of incense. They are made of bamboo and a brown coating of dried manure or compressed sawdust. Punks are sold at nearly all firework stands and some stands will include them for free with a purchase.

Geckgo
December 31, 2010, 02:42 AM
Why would the tv people try to stop someone from doing something dangerous?? Every time someone gets hurt on tv, the ratings go up. Can you imagine if the NFL decided they were going to stop using helmets and pads??? Even I would start watching football ;)

arcticap
December 31, 2010, 02:44 AM
You mean I don't have a right to poison you with the crap I put in my lungs?????

Does it smell like rotten eggs? :neener:

Geckgo
December 31, 2010, 02:46 AM
Nope, H2S smells like rotten eggs, but I wouldn't be smoking around that,,, unless (getting back on topic) I was on TV! :)

Jaymo
December 31, 2010, 03:02 AM
Yeah, no one is going to try to stop stupidity on TV. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Then, it's a ratings booster.
I could see using the cancer stick as a slow match, but I would wait until after it was loaded.

arcticap
December 31, 2010, 03:45 AM
I could see using the cancer stick as a slow match, but I would wait until after it was loaded.

That's not how slow match was actually used in practice.
One end remained lit while the match lock was reloaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_match

In practical use on a matchlock, both ends of the match cord were often ignited, as the flash of gun powder in the flash pan could often extinguish one end of the match cord, and the remaining end could then be used to re-ignite the firing end of the cord upon reloading the matchlock musket.

If this is indeed true, then if properly handled the lit cigarette may not be such a major safety issue at all.
However since I didn't even watch the show, I can't judge if the cigarette posed a risk to accidently igniting the Pyrodex or not.
But at least it wasn't black powder that was being loaded. :rolleyes:

Jaymo
December 31, 2010, 04:39 AM
I realize that's not how slow match was used back then. However, nobody wore shooting glasses or hearing protection then, either. They also thought evil spirits caused disease.

Oyeboten
December 31, 2010, 05:42 AM
'Evil Spirits' was a euphemism...maybe a metaphor...


We still have many euphemisms or metaphors in use, or believed in, to-day...with perfect credulity, and nary an assay.

eastbank
December 31, 2010, 07:48 AM
why not shoot a blank at your head,after all there is no bullet,only paper. he had to be the dumbest actor in the world. notice i said he had to be the dumbest actor in the world. eastbank.

x_wrench
December 31, 2010, 10:46 AM
common sense about guns on tv? Where people shoot pistols sideways and a single bullet wipes out whole counties? Where a pretend cop holds up a dummy single barrel shotgun and reads from a script written by the brady bunch about the evils of assault rifles? Where a bullet blows a 250 pound man twenty feet into the air? Where crooks and private eyes engage in hour-long gunfights, complete with rpgs and tons of tnt, and never attract the attention of the real police?

That tv?

Jim

amen, jim, amen!

Mike OTDP
December 31, 2010, 02:06 PM
Arcticap, I might agree with you except for the minor fact that anyone who shoots a matchlock is damned careful with the match. MLAIC rules actually require that the burning end be in a safety container (usually a soft drink can) while loading.

WALKERs210
December 31, 2010, 02:26 PM
The thing that got my attention was the guy was on one knee leaning over his CANNON/MORTAR with the cigarette hanging from his lips with the bottle of Pyrodex being dumped into the barrel. Guess the saying "God protects children and fools" had some truth to it. Bad enough to have any powder go off close to you but can you imagine the pain and injury that could have happened to that guys face if it had went off.

arcticap
January 1, 2011, 12:01 AM
*Here's a graphic video that shows what can happen when Pyrodex is ignited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYZqe2mheck

WALKERs210
January 1, 2011, 12:57 AM
Like I said in the first post, makes you wonder how some of these kids/people actually live or not wind up in intensive care unit somewhere, can you picture what would have happened to those guys if that was 4F BP, doubt the lid would have got even on the jar

Jaymo
January 1, 2011, 08:39 PM
Idiots. Guess they've never heard of the BATFE, or the burn unit. They'll find out soon enough, at this rate.
Why would anyone waste a perfectly good propellant in such a way?

Only in society do stupid people/animals live to adulthood. In the wild, natural selection would throw some bleach into the gene pool.

andrewstorm
January 5, 2011, 01:29 PM
I live less than 50 miles from the pawn shop,and I stay away from that side of town,as ted nugent said ,(michigan has no shortage on morons)and the pawnbroker is no exception,I have seen him selling junk to people for 15 years and his thugs he has hanging around are the complaint dept,real life arsholes.:cuss: wow articap I hope those arent your kids!

PapaG
January 10, 2011, 11:06 AM
On Impossible Shots Mr. Flintlock never uses ear or EYE protection. I wrote to Mr. Scoutten and complained. He answered by saying that these are "professional" shooters and they, the show, had no control over how they performed. He did thank me for using the word "extant" correctly. (Flintlocks are the most hazardous firearms to the eyes extant."

junkman_01
January 10, 2011, 11:13 AM
Let me get this straight. So basically he told you to mind your own business and then patronized you about the word 'extant'. :what: :cool:

PapaG
January 13, 2011, 05:02 PM
Actually I didn't feel he was patronizing me....his quote, fairly correctly was: "we have no control over the professionals and their safety. Our disclaimer at the beginning of the show covers that. I do feel you deserve an answer as you are the only writer so far who has used the word "extant" correctly."

Maybe he was. I don't care. I'm tired of the show now anyway. The new guy, Flanagan, is a self aggrandizing bozo. Bring back Tom Knapp.

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
January 13, 2011, 08:19 PM
Why, My Lord! If I were ya'll I would stop smoking in the car or truck also. Damn! Just a few feet behind you there is a tank full of gasoline or diesel fuel bolted to the frame of the vehicle with a fragile rubber metallic type hose running sort of under you to the engine of the vehicle. (Engine is usually mounted in the front)...Ohhh! VERY very dangerous! Ya'll just send all those nasty ass ol' cigarettes to me. I'll take care of them for you. I know exactly what to do with them whether I'm driving, reloading, shooting, cleaning, re-reloading, just whatsoever....

PapaG
January 18, 2011, 11:42 PM
A guy who signs off as a "gentleman" would do well to think about the meaning of the thread....safety, something that we all could improve. We have enough bad press going on without bickering among ourselves and making light of a sincere attempt to correct an obvious safety issue on a show that reaches millions of people.

Respectfully submitted,
Stan

BHP FAN
January 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
Darwin.

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