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Lone_Gunman
December 27, 2003, 07:54 PM
Anyone have any experience with them? I would consider getting one just to play around with if the price was right.

How are they in terms of mechanical functioning? Do they jam a lot?

Are any calibers more reliable than others?

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Ridgeway
December 27, 2003, 10:27 PM
I've had my DE for less than a month so I'm no authority on DE's, but I can give you my opinions for what they are worth. :)

I have a Mark XIX in .44 magnum.

It is literally a blast to shoot.
Once I found ammo that my gun liked I really have not had any issues with it. When I first bought it I tried running blazer through it- well the slide cycled with that ammo about once every 3 mags. I found that the hotter the ammo the better, to cycle that heavy slide(have found 180 gr. UMC JSP's to work the best thus far).

Reliability is not exactly where one might find say a Glock, as it is more finicky especially re:ammo. But I have yet to have any serious problems that I couldn't fix in a minute(really only on instance).

All in all I absolutly love the gun, and have not regretted the purchase one bit.

Black Majik
December 27, 2003, 11:03 PM
Can anyone explain the different "mark" series to me...?

The Mark I, Mark VII and Mark XIX..

Also, what years each series was made and the differences between them.

Thanks

The Mighty Beagle
December 27, 2003, 11:13 PM
I briefly had (and sold) a Desert Eagle .50 AE last year.

It was a great gun, probably the highest quality piece of ordinance I've ever had in my hot little hands. Very well made, it was probably also the most accurate pistol I've owned.

Whether it functions is entirely up to you. It requires shooter involvement on a higher level. First, there's caliber - .50 is supposedly a little more reliable than the rimmed calibers, which makes sense because it was designed for an automatic. Also, you may have to try several types of ammo to find the one it likes. You have to keep it very, very clean as the gas system needs babying. But most importantly, you have to learn how to shoot it - it's not like regular guns in that it is heavily dependent on your arms, wrists and upper body providing an immoveable object against the rearward force of the recoiling slide. It's limpwristing on a whole new level, as your entire upper body must be aggressively stiff, sort of putting your weight into it, as in balancing forward.

Once you learn this trick your DE will not jam.

I sold mine because I found a .44 mag Dan Wesson sixgun that was just way simpler to deal with - easier ammo availabilty, cheaper bullets, and really all the power I would ever need. I could fire it much, much faster and more accurately than the DE since the DE's trigger was heavy. In fact, the gun itself was too heavy to ever carry around, so it sat in my safe and collected dust.

Hope this helps.

hksw
December 28, 2003, 02:05 AM
The Mk Is were the initial offerrings, of course. IIRC, the .357 mag was the very first. .41 mag and .44 mag came around later. Two stage single action trigger. Single stacked ammo is loaded crisscrossed to allow for the rims of the cartridges. Rotating bolt for lockup. Gas operated. Takes down like a Beretta/Taurus. Slide mounted safety. Polygonal rifling.

Mk VIIs came out after with extended safety, extended slide stop/release, adjustable trigger as standard (Mk Is could be retrofitted). Additional barrels lengths offerred - 6", 10", 14" in the US. IIRC, 8" was offerred outside of the US but could be wrong on that. .41 mag chambering dropped. Eventually, .50 Action Express offerred.

Mk XIX took over using the Mk VII .50 AE chambering as the standard platform for all calibers. Previously, you needed to change the barrel, slide (bolt, recoil springs, and mags to convert to-from different calibers (with the exception between the .41 mag and .44 mag concerning the slide/bolt). With the Mk XIX, all that is needed to change is tha barrel and mag (can't recall if also tha springs) with the exception of the .357 mag. A bolt change (but using the same slide) is required. Barrel contours between calibers are identical. Guns now made in the US as opposed to Isreal. Note : Mk VII .50 AE = Mk XIX. All other Mk VII chamberings <> Mk XIX.

Adjustable sights available (Millet IIRC) as well as Hogue(-type?) grips, and various finishes from subdued to pimped out. There are photos and write-ups of the DEP with an even slightly longer barrel (>14") with brake and a shoulder stock connected to the grips. Have never seen one first hand, though.

Strictly a fun gun with some hunting applications. 14" barrels were meant for Metallic Silhouette.

Not sure of the dates.

hksw
December 28, 2003, 02:12 AM
Wait, not sure if the .357/.14/.44 mag Mk VII frame is the same as the .50 AE frame. Will have to verify tomorrow.

uglymofo
December 28, 2003, 03:06 AM
The Mk VII 50AE is dimensionally the same as the Mk XIX 50AE except for the stamping " Mk VII". The frames are the same. The 50AE slides are wider in VII and XIX than the 44mags in VII.

The Mk XIX in 44 mag is different from the Mk VII in 44 mag. The Mk VII 44mag slide is thinner across the top than the Mk XIX 44mag slide.

hksw
December 29, 2003, 12:17 AM
The Mk VII .357/.41/.44 frame is identical to the Mk VII .50 frame. Although I gotta say the earlier Mk VII frames were better finished than the later ones. Cast marks on the .50 frame can be seen and are milled out in the .44 frame, at least from the guns I've got.

When said Mk VII chamberings other than .50 AE <> Mk XIX, talking uppers only (barrel/slide assembly).

WhoKnowsWho
December 29, 2003, 02:12 AM
The Desert Eagle Pistol Knowledge Database (http://zvis.com/dep/dep.shtml) is a good site for DE information.

My wife purchased a Mark VI .41 Magnum a while back, and I used that as the excuse to finally begin reloading. Much easier to reload and test to find a good load that paying for expensive commercial .41 Magnum loads.

For $599, quite fun, easy to shoot. Trigger wasn't bad at all, recoil not bad either (she feels the 1911 .45 recoil is worse to her). Too bad CDNN is out of these now.

Had one non low powered ammo caused jam, when I pulled the slide back to load the first round, and then rode the slide with my hand back forward. Easy to clear though. When testing the low powered ammo, it either wouldn't go back far enough to load the next, or almost catch the next round. But once I found the right powder load to use, it has worked fine through 100+ rounds.

WonderNine
December 29, 2003, 05:06 AM
I always thought the .357 MKI was a little bit smaller than the other models???

Ridgeway
December 29, 2003, 02:40 PM
Guns now made in the US as opposed to Isreal


Good analysis there with one exception- DE production has switched back to Israel, specifically IMI(Israeli Military Industries).

WonderNine
December 29, 2003, 03:40 PM
So what do they make here now? Just the Baby Eagles and that nasty looking thing what's it's name...?

Drjones
December 29, 2003, 04:15 PM
Hello Lone Gunman.

I just acquired a DE myself; a NIB MK XIX .44. I plan on getting the .50 barrel at some point as well.

A source of info you should look at is the Desert Eagle Forum (http://pub64.ezboard.com/bthedeserteagle)

Nice people, pretty knowledgeable about the gun.

I did a lot of research between here, TFL and a few other places while deciding and here's what I found:

The DE is a great gun for its intended purpose. It is a lot of fun to shoot, more accurate than you are, and is reliable in general.

Sure you can find people who have had problems with them, but the same goes for any gun.

If you've got the money and want it, go for it. I am embarrassed to admit that I haven't shot mine yet, so I cannot yet report how mine performs.

I can say that it is awesome just knowing that I have it, it is VERY well made, and is a sight to behold indeed. :)

Let us know what you decide!

Drjones

hksw
December 29, 2003, 04:51 PM
Good analysis there with one exception- DE production has switched back to Israel, specifically IMI(Israeli Military Industries).

News to me. Thanks for the update.

JeffC
December 29, 2003, 04:58 PM
Anyone have any experience with them? I would consider getting one just to play around with if the price was right.

How are they in terms of mechanical functioning? Do they jam a lot?

Are any calibers more reliable than others?

I bought a .357 back in 1986. It only liked certain 158gr loads and still would jam way too often for my liking.

I'd advise you to pass on it and buy something a little more practical.

WonderNine
December 29, 2003, 05:04 PM
I think everyone is pretty much of the opinion that you need to shoot heavy grain full power loads whatever caliber you choose. There's no way a .357 DE is gonna function if you try to shoot 125gr. Golden Sabers through it....

JeffC
December 29, 2003, 05:25 PM
I think everyone is pretty much of the opinion that you need to shoot heavy grain full power loads whatever caliber you choose. There's no way a .357 DE is gonna function if you try to shoot 125gr. Golden Sabers through it....

I agree, but the list of ammo to use at the time I owned mine it still was fussy at best.

I actually had best luck using Extra hot 125gr flamethrowing hollowpoint handloads. Once they were all gone it was back to high priced factory ammo.

Now 110gr winchesters, forget it. May as well be trying to cycle 38 special.

WonderNine
December 29, 2003, 05:36 PM
Did you ever try any S&B 158gr.?

Black Majik
December 29, 2003, 05:39 PM
how bout' some pics of your Desert Eagles too :D

Drjones
December 29, 2003, 05:45 PM
Black Majik, you're in luck!

I got a digital camera for Christmas, so I will take some pics and post 'em soon as I can!

:)

In the meantime, here's a pic of my knife. I know, I know...OT, but its the only pic of any of my toys that I've taken so far! :)

JeffC
December 29, 2003, 05:53 PM
Did you ever try any S&B 158gr.?

Yes I certainly did, it actually looked like it was shooting slag out of the barrel, actually sparks :eek: . I remember it vividly, my brother's jacket was laying down in front of us and actually got a hole burned thru it.

It too had jammed.

Jake
December 29, 2003, 06:13 PM
I got a 50 AE about this time last year and have to say that it is by far my favorite pistol to take to the range. They are definately a attention getter. They are big and heavy and expensive and do need alot of cleaning but it has never failed to put a big smile on my face.
I have let 3 or 4 people at the range shoot it as well and they always end up with that same big stupid grin on their faces. And they always ask if the can keep a shell casing to.

Trisha
December 29, 2003, 07:06 PM
My Desert Eagle (.44 ) is one of the loves of my life. I've already posted a picture of it somewhere here, as well as comments on handling and favorite loads, so just run a search and I'll be saved from being too repetitive. . .

Personally, I feel that the Israeli manufactured ones were the cream of the crop (hey, I'm blonde, so an opinion is guaranteed. . .)!

Never shoot reloaded brass, always shoot jacketed bullets - and HOT loads - it'll do better with +p, and +P+ loads. Wear eye and ear protection too - they can toss the occasional spent brass right back at you with no warning. Susan got a headstamp right in the cleavage (such as she has) one day. . .

I promise, after 3-400 rounds with a Desert Eagle at the range doing IPSC drills, your 1911 will be a piece of cake (that's why we bought ours about ten years ago)!

Trisha

hksw
December 30, 2003, 04:06 PM
The one in the back is .44 mag / 14" bbl. Both Mk VII.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=693300

Notice the red 'Fire' indicator dot under the safety of the .44 mag is no longer there. A victim of cleaning solvent.

ZekeLuvs1911
December 30, 2003, 06:40 PM
The DE is not a bad pistol at all. It does need some getting used to for the weight and size of the gun. I own the .44 Mag MkXIX in Bright Nickel and it does tend to be very expensive to shoot. It is very accurate and no question as to its power. Here is a few pictures of mine.


http://www.hunt101.com/img/049454.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/img/049455.JPG

http://www.hunt101.com/img/049458.JPG

Black Snowman
December 30, 2003, 06:57 PM
I have a black MK VII .50 AE and it's a very fun gun at the range. I even got a .44 barrel for it so I could shoot it more since reloading components are cheaper (at least, that's how I justified it). Not really practical for much else but handgun hunting although the .357 Mag shoots like a .22 pistol and can be brought back on target very quickly. 9 rounds of .357 spewing out double-quick is a lot of firepower.

If what internet rumors I've pieced together are accurate the gun was developed by IMI as a vehicle weapon for tankers and the like where even a carbine would be too large but would be powerful enough to put up an addiquate defense so they designed it around the .357 Magnum. Some rumors even say they were going for burst or full auto controllability and the existance of 20 round double stack magazines but I've never seen any evidence to back this up.

Hunting or range? Great gun. Carry gun? No way :)

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