Who Prefers the A2 Fixed Stocks?


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amprecon
January 4, 2011, 06:09 PM
I bought a RRA LAR-6 a while back and ordered it with the 6-position collapsable stock and thought it looked cool and all and it was functional. I actually set it for the position that fit me the best and leave it there. There is a little wobble to it.

Then I bought a LAR-8 with the fixed stock and fell in love with it. It seems to be the perfect length and is solid with no wiggle and gives a sense of quality and stability.

So now I'm looking at replacing the collapsable stock on the LAR-6 for a fixed one.

So, anyone else out there prefer the fixed stocks on their AR?
Anyone interested in trading their fixed stock for a collapsable....?

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DEAHEAT
January 4, 2011, 06:11 PM
You just didn't buy the right one.......


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3495047753_e50bc9d3b8.jpg

Magpul duhhhh

Balrog
January 4, 2011, 06:12 PM
Yea the Magpuls are much better than other collapsibles.

68wj
January 4, 2011, 06:42 PM
I like the fixed stocks. Perfect LOP for me, strong, and handy storage. I am a civvy and don't wear body armor or 782 gear anymore so I don't need the adjustability for various tactical situations.

However, I built my AR so that my wife could comfortably shoot it too and the adjustable stock works well in that regard. I also got a deal on a decent adjustable stock for cheaper than the fixed.

Rexster
January 4, 2011, 06:50 PM
Thus far, I do prefer the A2 stock. I have long monkey arms, with not much meat on my chest, and never favor using a collapsible in any position other than full extension. My AR even has a KAC single-point sling attachment that extends the stock by 1". A collapsible stock does facilitate storage at times, of course.

My body armor is quite thin, so that is not a factor.

If one is going to try clearing a malfunction by hitting the stock on the ground, make sure to collapse it first!

That being said, I am looking into a spare AR, and may go with a collapsible stock.

RockyMtnTactical
January 4, 2011, 07:07 PM
It just depends, but I do like the fixed stock in some cases. I prefer the A1 length though.

Robert
January 4, 2011, 07:10 PM
I have a JP fixed stock on my AR, I could not be happier.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=132668&d=1293164162

wnycollector
January 4, 2011, 07:13 PM
I prefer the A1 length though.

+1 on that. I have two AR, both with A1 stocks.

Al Thompson
January 4, 2011, 07:15 PM
Ditto the M16A1 stock.

Z-Michigan
January 4, 2011, 07:25 PM
Fixed stocks are good, but A2 is too long for me. I'm a little guy, only 6' tall and 36" sleeve length. For NBA players A2 is great. Seriously, the extra length of an A2 works well on a target range when not wearing much gear or heavy clothing, but is way too long when moving and shooting or wearing a lot of stuff (coat, backpack straps, etc.) on your shoulder. Like #6, I like the A1 length better, which is available from Cav Arms or in the form of the ACE ARFX stock.

Yea the Magpuls are much better than other collapsibles.

Mmmmm I love the smell of fanboy in the morning. Magpul makes decent stuff, but VLTOR stocks are nicer in several ways and have a much tighter fit than the MOE, and vs. the other Magpuls when not using the friction lock or when it isn't working right. And I won't even start talking about the SOPMOD.

gun addict
January 4, 2011, 07:28 PM
what's the advantage of the magpul over the standard collapsible stock?

alemonkey
January 4, 2011, 07:44 PM
There is only one answer...get both.

Horvath819
January 4, 2011, 07:46 PM
I prefer collapsible stocks because of the versatility. I just ordered a Magpul MOE stock for my DPMS, I think they look badass.

MMcfpd
January 4, 2011, 08:10 PM
I prefer the A1 to the A2, but for N2CH irons shooting even that's a tad too long. The Ace ARFX is the same length as the A1 and the Ace ARFX-E (Entry) stock, meant for use with body armor, is just too short.

But the Ace ARFX-E with a DPMS Buttstock Extender is just right for me:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/Ace_DPMS.jpg

Compared to an ARFX:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/Tail_of-two_Aces.jpg

RockyMtnTactical
January 4, 2011, 08:14 PM
what's the advantage of the magpul over the standard collapsible stock?

Less wobble.

FlyinBryan
January 4, 2011, 08:16 PM
the bushmasters we have now both have the standard 6 position and they are ok.
we did have a pair of colts that had the a2 stocks. they were model 6700c match target rifles.

if there was anything on the colts that i did like more (they were terribly heavy) , it would be the a2 stocks, but then again, with the 6 position stocks i can close them all the way and fit them sideways on the top shelf of the safe, leaving more room for long guns below

Mmmmm I love the smell of fanboy in the morning.

lol @ "smell of fanboy"

viking499
January 4, 2011, 08:45 PM
What is the difference between the A1 and A2 stocks?

rtn
January 4, 2011, 09:05 PM
The A2 is a rock solid platform. I use my A2-configured rifle offhand and with a sling. It is heavy, balanced and perfect for long distance shooting.

A well made collapsible with a lightweight upper is great for mobility and flexibility.

Different tools for different tasks.

MMcfpd
January 4, 2011, 09:23 PM
What is the difference between the A1 and A2 stocks?

5/8" in length (A1s are shorter).

The early A1 stocks have a different sling swivel and their buttplate has no trapdoor and is glued on:
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/604_buttstock.jpg

The A2 stock bodies are made of stronger material.

There were some A1 length stock bodies made with the A2 material, but they're rare and usually expensive. The A1s are usually plenty strong enough.

The Cavalry Arms A1 length stocks (C1) are strong material, but with less robust buttplates. The later A1 and A2 buttplates will fit them, and Fulton Armory sells them with A2 buttplates.

offthepaper
January 4, 2011, 09:36 PM
I have both an 20" with A2 stock and a 16 " carbine with an adjustable stock. I much prefer the fixed stock to the adjustable. But the adjustable does look cool. I've thought about putting an A2 on the carbine. Never really tried an A1 stock.

taliv
January 4, 2011, 09:48 PM
what's the advantage of the magpul over the standard collapsible stock?

you can get a cheek weld with the magpul.

Jon Coppenbarger
January 4, 2011, 10:40 PM
I have several with the a2 but being short the a1 really fits me well.

Welding Rod
January 4, 2011, 11:17 PM
A1 is my favorite fixed, though I like the A2 fine for prone and bench work.

For telescoping I prefer the Magpul CTR.

Tirod
January 5, 2011, 08:50 AM
Looking at the improvements offered in the last ten years, we've seen them add sling points, storage, stronger designs, cheek welds to improve what little the buffer tube has, multiple locks to quiet them down and get them firm, and lately, a return to the rifle buffer tube. It only loses one click at the short end, and smooths the action making it more reliable. With sling plates and other accessories, a lot of adjustable stocks weren't clicking down anyway.

Which means we're paying more to get back to what the A1 does anyway. If adjustables were good to begin with, they wouldn't need to keep improving them.

But what if you NEED a short stock? They are out there, as illustrated. Add the Sully, which is patterned off the older Taiwan issue M16 variant. Good tough stock for armored entry team members who will beat it on doors and perps. An adjustable can't take that punishment - remember, you collapse it all the way to pogo the bolt, or suffer the consequences. It's not tough enough.

With the constant improvements, cautions, and can't use it's, I don't see an advantage for many shooters. Most do fine with fixed stocks on their other guns, it's really an M4gery fad driving the constant reengineering, and the low costs of start up polymer engineering. We've gone from "get issue or get Choate," to dozens of suppliers, and yet there's only so much you can really do to make it better. After that, it's marketing.

If you shoot one so well that you can explain where it helps, and show targets that are obvious improvements in accuracy, sure. But then again, you're not the average shooter, either. Too many sit in the closet after a pic is taken with the caveat, "I haven't taken it to the range yet . . . ."

sansone
January 5, 2011, 10:09 AM
the magpul stock has a secondary lock to secure without wobble. Best of both worlds IMO

HoosierQ
January 5, 2011, 10:13 AM
I like the A2 stock and the 20" barrel...the full A2 setup from butt to muzzle.

Z-Michigan
January 5, 2011, 10:51 AM
the magpul stock has a secondary lock to secure without wobble. Best of both worlds IMO

Or you can get an VLTOR or SOPMOD which doesn't wobble either, and doesn't need a secondary lock to keep it from wobbling.

sansone
January 5, 2011, 10:53 AM
must be adjustable for my needs

Z-Michigan
January 5, 2011, 11:02 AM
The VLTOR original modstock, iMod and eMod are all adjustable, as is the SOPMOD...

Whiskey11
January 5, 2011, 11:23 AM
I'm not sure which VLTOR stock was on my buddies Noveske, but it was horrible and it DID wobble. After about 5 minutes of it interfering with my hearing protection I asked him to remove the battery compartments, that helped some, but now you have the sharp edges poking ya in the side of the face which is a big non-starter.

Personally, I think the Magpul UBR stock is the best of both worlds. Built like a brick house, no wobble, and adjustable. Not to mention you are able to use the same cheek weld every time you site the rifle because the place you put your cheek doesn't move or isn't the buffer tube. I'm not a huge fan of the UBR on carbine length AR's, but that is my own opinion :) It's pricey, but worth it IMO.

ForumSurfer
January 5, 2011, 11:29 AM
I have the Magpul MOE stock and I love it, especially considering it costs about the same as a regular collapsible stock and it much better quality IMO.

Still, this is my first AR and the collapsible stock hasn't done much for me. I always shoot it fully extended since that is more comfortable for me. The only times the collapsible part comes in handy for me (as a target shooter/plinker) is when my kids shoot it. Fully collapsed is the perfect length for an 8 year old boy. :cool:

A shot a friends with the full A2 fixed stock and I like it, very much. I like it, but I'm not putting one on unless I slap on an upper with a 20" barrel.

okiewita40
January 5, 2011, 12:58 PM
I have to have an adjustable stock. Not because it is a fad but just due to the fact that I am short. Never shot anything with an A1 stock but with an A2 i can barely reach the front handguard.

mshootnit
January 5, 2011, 02:34 PM
I really like my Cav Arms A1 stock. Maybe the buttplate/Trapdoor could be nicer but they are a good product. I really like the A1 LOP. I am about 5 9" soaking wet ( or dry)

porscheboy
January 5, 2011, 04:21 PM
My AR has a Magpul MOE collapsible stock currently and I plan on installing a 20 or 24 inch barrel... Im going for the "compact long range" look/application. I am not very fond of the A2 style stock. There are better alternatives such as the "ACE Skeleton Style" Stocks i believe.

Kwanger
January 5, 2011, 04:31 PM
Yet another A1 fan...would be happy with one of those - but I have a Magpul CTR which basically lives all the time at A1 length, which does for me.

Float Pilot
January 5, 2011, 05:28 PM
As a Rifleman, I am mostly into accuracy shooting.
Plus I ate all my vegetables back in the 1960s, so I am too tall for most collapsible stocks.
The fixed A2 stock fits me perfectly.

onebigelf
January 5, 2011, 07:10 PM
I like the A2. I can't find an adjustable stock that is long enough for my arms.

John

Dionysusigma
January 5, 2011, 08:05 PM
My A2 is too short. :o

madcratebuilder
January 6, 2011, 06:41 AM
I'm not sure which VLTOR stock was on my buddies Noveske, but it was horrible and it DID wobble. After about 5 minutes of it interfering with my hearing protection I asked him to remove the battery compartments, that helped some, but now you have the sharp edges poking ya in the side of the face which is a big non-starter.

Personally, I think the Magpul UBR stock is the best of both worlds. Built like a brick house, no wobble, and adjustable. Not to mention you are able to use the same cheek weld every time you site the rifle because the place you put your cheek doesn't move or isn't the buffer tube. I'm not a huge fan of the UBR on carbine length AR's, but that is my own opinion :) It's pricey, but worth it IMO.
Sounds like a commercial(1.168) stock on a milspec(1.148) tube. My EMOD is rock solid.



I can't find an adjustable stock that is long enough for my arms.

Check out the Vltor EMOD A5, it's longer than any other collapsible stock, A2 length or longer.

Whiskey11
January 6, 2011, 11:38 AM
Sounds like a commercial(1.168) stock on a milspec(1.148) tube. My EMOD is rock solid.

Surely Noveske, when ordering directly from, can figure out which stock to put on which buffer tube right? I would hope so anyway! :) Then again, thanks to other hobbies, nothing surprises me anymore with manufacturers doing random stuff like that which makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Also, the UBR stock at full length is identical to the A2 stock in length (just checked mine here) but is far more utilitarian than the A2 stock for transport :) Generally I'm not into the magpul every inch, but they do make some, and I emphasize some rock solid and downright intelligent product.

Of course, the best advice here is if you are looking to replace your stock, go try a bunch of stocks out at a gun store or at the range when on an AR and see which you like the best and suits your needs and go from there.

41magsnub
January 6, 2011, 11:59 AM
My A2 stock is just right for me wearing just a T-shirt. Add a jacket and it becomes a little awkward. One of these days I'll maybe around to putting an A1 stock on it. This particular AR-15 is mostly a ding around at the range in nice weather gun so I'm not in a hurry. When I built my carbine sized AR-15 this year, it will wear an adjustable stock.

Back in the Army I was really hosed the day we did a qual fire in MOPP gear and a flak jacket with our M16A2's in summer in Kansas. I couldn't hit crap... couldn't get my head right on the stock, kept fogging up my glasses, and etc. It took me 2 tries to get marksman where in just BDU's and LBE getting sharpshooter just short of expert was a bad day and the middle of the expert range was a good day.

I'm 5'7" with stubby little arms. A shotgun with a youth length stock is only very slightly too short for me.

Z-Michigan
January 6, 2011, 12:39 PM
Surely Noveske, when ordering directly from, can figure out which stock to put on which buffer tube right?

If Noveske built the whole rifle, then yes, you can bet on them getting it right. But maybe only the receiver or upper were Noveske, or maybe the guy's buddy bought a Noveske with an M4 stock and put on the first VLTOR he saw, which happened to be a commercial-tube-sized one?

As for the UBR, I have one, it's really impressive in design and solidity... and it weighs half a pound more than any other AR stock I've seen. Good or bad depending what you want to do, but bad for a lot of uses.

1KPerDay
January 6, 2011, 02:06 PM
Any of you guys have beards? all collapsibles I've used I got my beard hairs in the junction between the tube and the stock and rip them out. It hurted me. I haven't used a Magpul though... just the "usual" ones.

DoubleTapDrew
January 6, 2011, 02:17 PM
I usually prefer fixed stocks, although if I was wearing body armor or heavy clothing I might prefer a collapsable. My LAR-8 has a fixed, and my dad swapped the collapsable on his LAR-8 for a fixed stock.
My newest AR has a LMT lower and it by far has the tightest collapsable I've felt, no wobble at all. I swapped it for a VLTOR modstock and was thankful it retained it's lack of wobble.
Any of you guys have beards? all collapsibles I've used I got my beard hairs in the junction between the tube and the stock and rip them out. It hurted me. I haven't used a Magpul though... just the "usual" ones.

I HATE that! I have a goatee but I'm sure it would be worse with a full beard. If you are a true operator you'll just shave the portion of your beard off where it contacts the stock :p

1KPerDay
January 6, 2011, 02:21 PM
I guess true operators just say "GRRR!" and use the pain to get meaner. Then eat raw bear's liver.

ForumSurfer
January 6, 2011, 02:23 PM
I HATE that! I have a goatee but I'm sure it would be worse with a full beard. If you are a true operator you'll just shave the portion of your beard off where it contacts the stock :pBut then you'll have to shave both sides when you switch to fire weak hand style. What you would end up with is a hitler-esque stache and a hairy neck. :uhoh:

I always keep my goatee pretty trim because I get uber-paranoid about leftovers in my facial hair. I get aggravated with all the trimming after a few days and shave it.

Edit:: Wait, don't true operators wear high performance ski masks (tactical facial wear), anyway?

My MOE stock has never grabbed any facial or arm hair...but my facial hair stays short.

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