If one wanted unbiased death by firearms stats...


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Sniper X
January 5, 2011, 12:07 PM
Where would one get it? I am going to make a few points in a firearms training video I am going to start soon, and need current stats that are not from some liberal website that makes itself LOOK like a Government entity.

Thanks!

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hso
January 5, 2011, 12:16 PM
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/

Obviously biased for our side - http://www.gunfacts.info/

mstrat
January 5, 2011, 12:26 PM
The selection of stats to argue a point are obviously biased for our side with the following sources, HOWEVER, many many many of them are cited from presumably unbiased sources (law enforcement, government health/public safety organizations, various judicial branch offices, etc):

JustFacts.com (http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp) (the selection of facts on this one isn't necessarily biased either way, though)

GunCite.com (http://www.guncite.com/)

GunFacts.info (http://www.gunfacts.info/)

If you are going to reference any of this, I strongly recommend investigating and citing the original sources (which are cited in those sites) rather than citing the above-listed sites themselves.

Sniper X
January 5, 2011, 12:52 PM
I will address the sources in my video not only at the end in the end credits, and also in a tag line lower thirds graphic while I am speaking them as well.

benEzra
January 5, 2011, 08:29 PM
Some interesting data points on homicide here (and you can go back to at least 2005 on the same website).

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_20.html

That's particularly useful if you ever find yourself addressing the "assault weapon" fraud, since all rifles combined account for only 2.6% of murders.

General Geoff
January 13, 2011, 02:35 AM
If one wanted unbiased death by firearms stats...

Be aware that not all firearm deaths should necessarily be prevented. A very large portion of annual deaths-by-firearm are suicides, and I am a firm believer that one has a fundamental right to one's own life, which includes the right to end that life.

Black Toe Knives
January 13, 2011, 04:26 AM
Be aware that not all firearm deaths should necessarily be prevented. A very large portion of annual deaths-by-firearm are suicides, and I am a firm believer that one has a fundamental right to one's own life, which includes the right to end that life.
I believe 66% percent of gun deaths are suicides.

wishin
January 14, 2011, 12:00 PM
I believe 66% percent of gun deaths are suicides.
Very good point, and the potential quagmire of raw stats....

Lonest@r
June 29, 2011, 05:20 PM
FYI..

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/LeadingCauses.html

or search using options
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html


2007
Suicide Firearm 17,352
Homicide Firearm 12,632

2007
Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613



funny comparison..

Nosocomial infection - hospital-acquired infection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosocomial_infection

1.7 million hospital-associated infections cause or contribute to 99,000 deaths each year

Strykervet
June 29, 2011, 05:45 PM
The statistics don't take into account the number of shots needed, the actual shot that killed, or the calibre or training of the shooter. I was trying to find definitive information regarding wound ballistics and stubmbled upon this:

http://www.gunthorp.com/Terminal%20Ballistics%20as%20viewed%20in%20a%20morgue.htm

It is the observations of a former homicide cop turned morgue worker. This might provide some very useful information for your video. I think I'll go post this link in its own thread as the information is that useful.

oneounceload
June 29, 2011, 06:34 PM
Sorry, the CDC DOES have a anti-gun bias to their stats

Lonest@r
June 30, 2011, 11:45 AM
The statistics don't take into account the number of shots needed, the actual shot that killed,
Good point, would also be good to compare injuries, not just death.


CDC DOES have a anti-gun bias
don't disagree the agency is anti-gun and may bias some numbers, but the actual numbers also show the CDC admits hospitals accidentally kill 160x more people than guns :)


Unintentional hospital-acquired infection ~99,000

Unintentional MV Traffic 42,031
Unintentional Poisoning 29,846
Unintentional Fall 22,631
Unintentional Suffocation 5,997
Unintentional Drowning 3,443
Unintentional Fire/burn 3,375
Unintentional Residential Fire/flame 2,902
Unintentional Natural/environmental 1,449
Unintentional Struck 832
Unintentional Machinery 659

Unintentional Firearm Deaths 613

I'm more afraid of something accidentally falling on my head, than being shot.. And even considering violent firearm death (Homicide Firearm 12,632), I'm more afraid of accidental poisoning or falling off the roof :)

Axel Larson
June 30, 2011, 12:25 PM
Thanks for the FBI website link Benezra.

jrdale84
August 16, 2011, 10:40 PM
No matter where you get the stats when you present them you will be considered BIAS. therefor using something like the FBI or CDC which are publicly known sources will back your point up.

For example I say that the CDC says Aspritane causes cancer ... Your aunt Margret says it doesn't. Which source do you believe despite the fact I'm trying to convince you Diet Soda is bad for you?

More people are killed in car accidents than firearms deaths anyways - also a good point to have :) check the DOT.

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