Anyone bought one of the used CZ75s from Wideners?


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Wildbillz
January 6, 2011, 08:49 AM
Hi All
I saw that Widners has some used CZ75s for sale. Anyone gotten one? I am thinking of ordering one and am wondering about there condition? Also anyone know where I could order spair (CZ Mfg) Mags?

Thanks
WB

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SharpsDressedMan
January 6, 2011, 09:06 AM
Robertsons Trading Post was selling both, guns and magazines. http://www.robertsontradingpost.com/contactus.htm

rellascout
January 6, 2011, 09:08 AM
Don't bother with factory mags. Get Mecgars.

PabloJ
January 6, 2011, 09:10 AM
Hi All
I saw that Widners has some used CZ75s for sale. Anyone gotten one? I am thinking of ordering one and am wondering about there condition? Also anyone know where I could order spair (CZ Mfg) Mags?

Thanks
WB
You may want to look below where someone claims they got Turkish-made AR-24 for $278 at place called Academy. They were giving them away at that price is very good way to sum that up. That is very well made gun in previously unowned condition. It comes from Muslim country but there is no fear of guy on flying carpet popping out of the barrel and chopping body part away. Oh by the way they also make exceptionally nice wool rugs in that country.

atblis
January 6, 2011, 09:44 AM
$278 for an AR24 is a steal.

armoredman
January 6, 2011, 09:49 AM
AR 24, the clone of the clone. Sarsilmaz of Turkey was a distributer for Tanfolgio of Italy until they made their own version of the Tanfoglio Force, (known as the Witness in the States, Tanfoglio was the first gunmaker with a widely sold clone of the CZ-75.), and began selling it, brought in as the AR-24. The AR-24 is known as a good solid gun, and Turkey has a fine gun making tradition that goes back centuries.
I don't know much about these used CZ75s, but I'd snag one if I could. I have to ask rellascout, what issues with factory used mags have you heard of? MecGar does make an outstanding magazine.

rellascout
January 6, 2011, 10:49 AM
I have to ask rellascout, what issues with factory used mags have you heard of? MecGar does make an outstanding magazine

No issues with performance but there is an issue with cost. $39 for a factory mag. $23 for Mecgars. Mecgars have never let me down.

SharpsDressedMan
January 6, 2011, 03:56 PM
The pre B's, in general, will not work with Meg-Gars, unless modified inside the mag well. Pre-B magazines go for a premium, but just became available for the first time in years with this recent import of the Czech police guns. I grabbed 4 from Robertsons, and was tickled pink. There were a few run on gunbroker for $75-$80 prior to that, but $50-$60 was the going price. Robersons had them for $25, or $20 ea if you bought a gun from them.

rellascout
January 6, 2011, 04:29 PM
The pre B's, in general, will not work with Meg-Gars, unless modified inside the mag well. Pre-B magazines go for a premium, but just became available for the first time in years with this recent import of the Czech police guns. I grabbed 4 from Robertsons, and was tickled pink. There were a few run on gunbroker for $75-$80 prior to that, but $50-$60 was the going price. Robersons had them for $25, or $20 ea if you bought a gun from them.

I missed that they were Pre B guns. Your are correct the tube design on the old mags is different. Ironically IIRC the pre B mags were made by Mecgar. LOL

Thorgrim
January 6, 2011, 06:31 PM
There are some fine folks at Wideners, I bought my Mak from them (in person, I lived about 15 minutes from their shop/warehouse at the time). They get a lot of tirekickers so they can seem a bit cool at first, but if you let them know up front you're serious about buying you'll get some great information and service from them.

Occasionally/often one of the guys in the shop will buy a new cool toy, polish and tune it, then later sell it to buy the next new cool toy. My Mak was one of those, and it's a sweetheart among Maks. It would be worth asking if they have anything like that in stock. You may get a hand-select, tuned pistol at the "grab one out of the crate" price.

Wildbillz
January 6, 2011, 06:52 PM
SharpsDressedMan The pre B's, in general, will not work with Meg-Gars, unless modified inside the mag well. Pre-B magazines go for a premium, but just became available for the first time in years with this recent import of the Czech police guns. I grabbed 4 from Robertsons, and was tickled pink. There were a few run on gunbroker for $75-$80 prior to that, but $50-$60 was the going price. Robersons had them for $25, or $20 ea if you bought a gun from them.

So the mags for a Cz75 and a Cz75B are differant? Thanks for the link to Robersons I will shoot them an e-mail and see if they still have any mags.

Thanks
WB

SharpsDressedMan
January 6, 2011, 08:13 PM
If you have a pre-B gun, it is a crap shoot unless you buy the early pre-B factory mags. I have one of the earliest of short rail guns, and it will accept 3 of the meggar mags I have, but not two other ones that have the meggar name stamped horizontally around the body of the mag (the other meggars that fit do not have this rollmark). None of these 5 meggar mags will go into two later, long rail Pre-B models that I have (like those being imported now). Only pre-B mags will work in those two guns (although some goofy aftermarket 10 rounder will fit them.....). Several gunsmiths charge to ream out the magwell of pre-B guns to accept the meggars as a service, but $50-$75 seems like a lot. One could dillingently and carefully do it themselves, but I just opted to seek out the correct mags. Just since this recent import did I get lucky in acquiring some, and now I have enough.

tekarra
January 7, 2011, 09:30 PM
I had problems finding magazines for my pre B. Fortunately I have an AT84 that will accept the "square" front magazines.

zipseattle
January 9, 2011, 02:24 AM
You may want to look below where someone claims they got Turkish-made AR-24 for $278 at place called Academy...

The gun at Academy was the Hancer 2000. Both the discontinued Hancer and the current AR-24 were/are based on the same pistol made in Turkey by Sarsilmaz, with forged frames and slides. Basically the same pistol, just different cosmetically.

http://www.sarsilmaz.com.tr/en/Urun/Tabanca/9x19/k10-c

The Hancer's were being clearanced priced at $278, but there are no more in Academy's system - I called to check.

I own the AR-24 Compact - great pistol.

txgunsuscg
January 9, 2011, 03:32 PM
So, if you have to get Pre-B mags, will aftermarket parts work in them? For example, if I buy a few, can I replace the springs with Wolff springs, or are they only going to work in the B models? I would love to have one of these, but it does me no good if I can't shoot it.....

Also, since I am a little slow and something of a visual learner, could someone in the know post pics of the differences?

Trebor
January 10, 2011, 12:05 AM
The pre B's, in general, will not work with Meg-Gars, unless modified inside the mag well. Pre-B magazines go for a premium, but just became available for the first time in years with this recent import of the Czech police guns. I grabbed 4 from Robertsons, and was tickled pink. There were a few run on gunbroker for $75-$80 prior to that, but $50-$60 was the going price. Robersons had them for $25, or $20 ea if you bought a gun from them.

Contact info for Robertson's? Or, if they are out of mags, any leads on any other sources for Pre-B mags? I have a pre-B that only uses older mags so I know how hard they are to find.

xr1200
January 10, 2011, 12:36 AM
these surplus cz pistols are not worth the money they are asking , Usually $325 -$350 with dealer and shipping fees that puts them close to $400 for a beat up surplus gun. You can get a new CZ 75 on gunbroker for about $475-$500. Better to get a new gun as opposed old crap.

If they sold them for $200 they might be worth it.

Here are some examples http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209697019

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209821569

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209847558

atblis
January 10, 2011, 10:03 AM
That's pretty much the conclusion I came to. They also appear to have the older enamel finish rather than being blued or having the polycoat. The older ones are not remarkably better than the new ones.

EDIT: Looking at the Wideners picture, it does actually appear to be bluing. Hmm.

Walt Sherrill
January 10, 2011, 03:05 PM
So the mags for a Cz75 and a Cz75B are differant? Thanks for the link to Robersons I will shoot them an e-mail and see if they still have any mags.

The mags aren't different -- the guns are.

The older (Pre-B) CZs have tighter grip assemblies, near the top. Later models are more loose, and newer mags are slightly different. Newer Mec-Gar mags, for example, won't work in an older CZ.

Even though Mec-Gar now supplies the factory mags, the newer factory mags won't work in the pre-B guns (or at least won't work in the older models.)

If you have a pre-B or are considering buying one, look for older 15-round mags. The new mags likely won't fit unless you have the gun modified.

(I have had a number of pre-Bs and speak from experience. Some of the last pre-B, called "transitionals" [which have features of the newer guns, but not the firing pin block] will often accept the new mags.)

SharpsDressedMan
January 10, 2011, 03:48 PM
Whether the gun is worth it depends on how much you know about CZ's. The newer "B" models have a different trigger action, which is shorter, heavier, and usually not as nice as the pre-B models. The "Pre's" also have sleeker styling, and spur hammers, keeping with the original look of the CZ75. To some, it is simply a matter of aesthetics, to others, they like the slick trigger pull. Beyond both, the Pre-B's have a little more collector value, and that will keep the prices a little higher than used "B" models. Yes, some have that flakey paint, as does one of mine, but do a little custom work, and a re-finish, and you have Class A custom gun, which will give ANY other 9mm a run for its money. I have been seeing a lot of used HK PSP's with hard chrome and other finishes added, and it doesn't seem to be a problem or hurting their value, or marketability, either.

rellascout
January 10, 2011, 07:40 PM
Whether the gun is worth it depends on how much you know about CZ's. The newer "B" models have a different trigger action, which is shorter, heavier, and usually not as nice as the pre-B models. The "Pre's" also have sleeker styling, and spur hammers, keeping with the original look of the CZ75. To some, it is simply a matter of aesthetics, to others, they like the slick trigger pull. Beyond both, the Pre-B's have a little more collector value, and that will keep the prices a little higher than used "B" models. Yes, some have that flakey paint, as does one of mine, but do a little custom work, and a re-finish, and you have Class A custom gun, which will give ANY other 9mm a run for its money. I have been seeing a lot of used HK PSP's with hard chrome and other finishes added, and it doesn't seem to be a problem or hurting their value, or marketability, either.

How bad are the import marks on these guns?

SharpsDressedMan
January 10, 2011, 07:43 PM
"How bad are the import marks on these guns" Don't have one of the recent imports, but import marks can go away when re-finishing......................

txgunsuscg
January 10, 2011, 07:47 PM
Well, as soon as my pre-B gets here from Robertson's, I'll post pics and let you know my impressions. Also picked up 4 extra mags (total of 5) from his surplus stock.

txgunsuscg
January 16, 2011, 08:27 PM
Here are some pics (with an Armalite thrown in)
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7007716#post7007716

circuitspore
January 17, 2011, 09:24 AM
txgunsuscg - any chance we can get a pseudo in-depth review of that pre-b's condition?

txgunsuscg
January 17, 2011, 09:03 PM
On the exterior, these things definitely spent a lot of time in holsters. The pics you can see on Gunbroker are pretty representative. The interior though, looks like it was barely shot. Bright shiny bore, and the trigger pull is amazing (which is what I was hoping for). Sights are definitely military, not the new three dot on the B models, but functional. The mags I got with it are of different designs, but they all functioned.

Overall, they would be great shooters, and if you wanted to make it a project gun and reblue or otherwise refinish it, they would look amazing.

Wildbillz
January 17, 2011, 09:14 PM
I picked mine up on Friday. The import stamp is small and on the left front of the slide. Maybe 1/8" tall by 1 1/4 long "PW Arms Redmon WA". Finish is pretty good, just a few wear points on some of the edges and a small scrape on the front strap. Black epoxie finish so a redo would be easy. The right hand grip panel is a bit scraped up on the edges from being carryed. Mfd in 1991 if I am reading the spamp right on the ejection port. # match on the slide barrel and frame. No # on the mag. Two dot rear sight with a bar sort of ramp on the front. I am going to order a couple of the extra mags from Robertson's. But I may try one of the new CZ 75 mags from CDNN when I get the time and money. Not a bad deal as far as I am concerend. $340.00 for the gun shipped to my FFL, $10. for transfer and I am out the door for $350.

WB

atblis
January 18, 2011, 09:28 AM
I have an 86 that works fine with new mags so it's possible.

JayPee
January 18, 2011, 01:44 PM
Hi Gents,

Maybe I can be of help here on the issue of "B" and "Pre-B" CZ pistols. I wrote a seven part article comparing the '85 and '85B and it deals largely with the differences made to these guns over the years. As a Word document it was 25 pages long and contained 27 photos showing the differences.

I write under the pseudonym "JayPee", which is my username here at THR, or simply "JP". The article and its photos are copyrighted to me, and I say this just to assure the admins that I am in compliance with THR's copyright rules. The article begins with this photograph:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj314/jaypee3843/PICT0191-1-1.jpg

The article can be found on a blog I share with a good friend. You can get to the article at this link: http://guntalkers.blogspot.com/2011/01/evolution-of-cz85-by-jp.html

Hope it helps. Best to all.

JayPee

txgunsuscg
January 30, 2011, 12:18 PM
Got my 75 in at The Revolver Armorer for a semi-gloss black Gun Kote treatment. I'm thinking either a nice set of Hogue wood grips or one of VZ Grips G10 sets. Don't know which one I'll do yet.

txgunsuscg
February 26, 2011, 06:57 PM
Just got my 75 back. Pics here http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7125820#post7125820

JohnMN
June 11, 2011, 12:37 AM
Those of you that have bought one of these... how do they shoot? Are they accurate? I'm okay with holster wear; I'm looking for a good shooter.
Thanks!

JohnMN
August 12, 2011, 08:24 PM
I can answer my own question now, in case anyone else had the same question. I bought a CZ75-2 from Wideners (the newer style, with the bobbed hammer and square-ish triggerguard front). It has only a small amount of wear, is in overall good condition, and it shoots great! I shoot it as well or better than my buddy's new CZ75.
Thanks, Wideners!

Thompsoncustom
August 12, 2011, 08:55 PM
Great to hear welcome to the CZ Club.

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