Tell me 'bout your AK jamming?


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john l
December 28, 2003, 04:43 PM
Since we all worship reliablility in our weapons, does anyone have any " My AK jammed" stories?

I have over 2000 rounds fired between two of my AKs- with no jams. I have a friend who had a wierd round not go off ( Wolf ammo ) but that is the only story I have heard. And yes, I know that 2000 rounds isn't a lot.

I am another AK fan, and an AR fan, and a FAL fan........

john l

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10mmshooter
December 28, 2003, 04:58 PM
I heard an urban legend about this happening once, but I find it very hard to believe. I have never experienced a jam with my AK, and I don't know anyone personally who has. I don't see this thread as having multiple page potential.:D

JShirley
December 28, 2003, 05:08 PM
I managed to have a few malfunctions in my Mak-90 (and SKS) when using underpowered plastic-core ammunition.

swingset
December 28, 2003, 05:27 PM
I managed to have quite a few FTF/FTE with both my Maadi & a NHM-91, tho certainly they ran good the majority of the time.

They're good reliable designs, but yes Virginia, you can jam an AK.

Engineer
December 28, 2003, 05:55 PM
The only problem I had with an AK jamming is when I did a Saiga conversion myself and the feedramp that I installed protruded too far out on one side causing FTF's from the right side. A little Dremel work and everything is running smoothly now.

SodaPop
December 28, 2003, 06:04 PM
I've seen it happen.


Once when a cleaning patch got jammed in the action.:p

And the other was an SAR I that seemed to have trouble with HP rounds.

Dave Markowitz
December 28, 2003, 06:08 PM
I have a Saiga converted to look like an AK-103. The conversion was done by Hesse, and the replacement US-made fire control parts they installed were too soft. Eventually, part of the hammer peened and caused it to get stuck on the disconnector. No matter how hard I pulled the trigger, I got not even a "click." :banghead:

I need to test it now that I've replaced the FCG with Tapco's G2 parts.

yesterdaysyouth
December 28, 2003, 06:10 PM
a stock production ak.....

never heard of it...

TallPine
December 28, 2003, 07:09 PM
Sounds like another subject for "the shortest books in the world"

:D

boing
December 28, 2003, 07:18 PM
Only with a magazine that got bashed in on the side while it was loaded. Had a couple of feed failures while "unloading" it, until the follower reached the damaged area and got stuck.

I unbashed it with a hammer and a pair of pliers and it works fine now. :)

ARperson
December 28, 2003, 08:13 PM
I had a SAR-2 that was a bolt action when the top cover was installed. Pull off the top cover and it ran like a champ. I have since replaced the topcover and it has run well eversince. I have handled 3 SAR-1s at a local gun shop, and all if you cycled the bolt slowly, it would lock up to the rear. Didn't think this would be a problem on the SAR-2, but it was.

Lee F
December 28, 2003, 08:52 PM
Never had a AK jam that was gun related.

But I have several Chinese 30 round magazines that won't feed three rounds in a row. I bought three Bulgarian magazines at a gun show that couldn't be removed from the rifle once they were snapped in place (on a SAR 1 or MAK-90). A few minutes with a file solved that problem. Just like the AR or FAL the AK is no better than the magazines that feed them. Thankfully the AK mag's are in a different class than the AR mag's for strength and longevity.

Gabe
December 28, 2003, 09:14 PM
I've heard second hand stories of cook offs after extended full auto sessions. Of course that is a common problem of rifles being used as machineguns.

jzimm9mm
December 28, 2003, 09:51 PM
My SAR-1 has jammed 3 or 4 times. I haven't determined if they were caused by the magazine or the gun. I've also found empty casings in the receiver when I take it down for cleaning. Out of my SAR-1, AR-15, and FAL, only the FAL has been 100% reliable.

Jer..

ninjalawyer
December 28, 2003, 10:13 PM
I've got an old East German steel magazine that feeds the last shot at a funny angle, often causing a jam. I pulled it aside to replace the spring and follower, but it turns out that they cost more than a newmag. Guess it's time to pick up some Bulgarians...

Tomac
December 28, 2003, 10:36 PM
In the 14yrs I've owned AK's I've personally witnessed only one problem w/an AK: A friend brought his Polytech sidefolder out to play (had been in storage for years w/o cleaning/lubing) and installed a recoil buffer. Shot fine for a couple hundred rds but then started short-stroking. Took the buffer out and it was fine. Turns out the gas port was clogged, took all of 30 seconds w/the gas port tool to remedy, no further problems since then. Tomac

Duke of Lawnchair
December 29, 2003, 01:46 AM
My father's Norinco AK-84S has had a few failure to eject/extract.

Correia
December 29, 2003, 10:43 AM
I have one Chinese magazine that has gone bad. And I have had one bad (dud) round. I have never had the actual rifle cause a problem.

And John, you know how well I clean my guns! :D

Rhinodogg
December 29, 2003, 11:17 AM
My SAR-1 eats anything and everything. No FTF or FTE ever. It did slamfire once though, or I think thats what happened? Fired two rounds with one pull of the trigger.

Longbow
December 29, 2003, 11:35 AM
We "jam" together everytime I take 'em to the range! :D

dadman
December 29, 2003, 12:14 PM
Had a few 'jams' with a Maadi AK. May have been ammo related, don't know. Cleared and pressed on.

tire iron
December 29, 2003, 12:54 PM
I have a Rumanian AK that can't make it through one full magazine without a FTE.

Doesn't matter what ammo or which kind of magazine (E. German Steel, Chinese Steel, Bulgarian Steel, Bulgarian Waffles, Chinese Drum, Russian Drum, Romanian Drum, etc. etc.)

When some one else fires it, so I can watch the action, 2-5 rounds will extract with typical AK violence - and the next round will barely fall out of the action.

I have tried different bolts, and even bolt carriers. I have replaced extractors. All to no avail. It is STILL unreliable. Can't bring myself to sell it - as I will just be passing off these troubles onto someone else - so I would like to fix it.

I have inspected the fired cases for any evidence of chamber irregularities - and even 'polished' the chamber with a small piece of scotch bright pad and my cordless drill. Didn't fix it.

If anyone goes over to AK47.net - there are a lot of posts in the 'trouble shooting' section. AK's are like every other machine on the planet - they CAN and WILL 'go down'. Granted - some designs are more inherintly reliable than others - but any firearm will go down the abuse and neglect. I routinely fire a case (1,000 rounds) of Wolf through my AR's before cleaning them. How much more reliability is needed??

Anyhow - any ideas out there regarding my 'unreliable' AK?

cheers

tire iron

Destructo6
December 29, 2003, 02:52 PM
I had one dented primer - no ignition incident in my MAK90. That's the only failure I've experienced with it and it can't really be blamed on the gun.

My SIG P226 9mm has been similarly reliable.

Tomac
December 29, 2003, 08:39 PM
Tire Iron, check your gas piston to see if it's rubbing/binding against the inside of the gas tube. Century welds their stainless gas piston to the bolt carrier instead of properly pinning it with a little play. If the gas piston is off center just a bit and rubbing/binding then it can create exactly the kind of problem you've described. HTH...
Tomac

45R
December 29, 2003, 09:04 PM
I wouldnt know. I live in the PRK. :rolleyes:

Grump
December 29, 2003, 10:42 PM
I've seen one in .223 repeatedly smokestack. Other problems were mag-related--one is now fixed. Still others appear to be the design of the mag itself. Even with the OEM mag, rounds would sometimes (like rarely-once in 150 rounds or so) miss the chamber and telescope the bullet into the case. It also sometimes skips the extractor off the rim, and tries to feed the next round into the fired case left extracted only 1/4-inch or so.

Funny thing is, I still like that rifle.

*8*
December 30, 2003, 01:43 AM
I've shot my Maadi with over ... lost track with the number of rounds but it was in the thousands of rounds with no failure to fire using the 30 rounders and the older 100 round drum.

Recently, had a loose top receiver cover using a cheapo Leapers scope mount cover thingy, I bought at a recent gun show in Costa mesa, cali. Took that POS off and went back to stock with no probs whatsoever.

45R, some folks took the pains to register their AW's before the ban a few years ago, where were you bro.? We are up ASR usually on weekends, lots of Cali. folks with their regged AW's, AK's/AR's, etc.... go up there sometime and ask one of us, I'd be happy to let you bump fire a couple mags.


:)

Willard
December 30, 2003, 10:45 AM
A stock NHM-91 on a -47 type milled receiver would repeatedly jam.

A C3 7.62 Krinkov jammed on full auto, dumping a 30 round mag. Jammed a few times with a 75 round drum, too.

yzguy
December 31, 2003, 12:09 PM
my SAR-1 did not like Wolf HP's when new. The bottom lip of the HP would jam on the frame area below the chamber (with all my mags). A little dremel work to angle this area a bit, and no problems since.

oh and this is just funny!!
I unbashed it with a hammer and a pair of pliers and it works fine now. I don't think this could be applied to any other gun. :)

glocksman
December 31, 2003, 05:20 PM
My new WSAR-10 will intermittently (0-4 times per magazine) eject the empty and strip the fresh round from the magazine, but fail to cock the hammer and close the bolt.

The bolt sticks open about 3 inches and I can't even push it forward without releasing the magazine catch and lowering the magazine out a hair.

Only problem then is that hammer isn't cocked.

I am singularly unimpressed. :fire:

I should have taken the money and ordered 3 more Yugo SKS's. :D

Tomac
December 31, 2003, 06:08 PM
Glocksman, check your gas piston to see if it's rubbing against the inside of the gas tube.
Tomac

glocksman
December 31, 2003, 07:32 PM
The bolt carrier is rubbing against the sight block and the end of the gas piston rubs on the gas block.

Tomac
December 31, 2003, 07:43 PM
One of the most common causes of functioning problems for the SAR/WASR series of AKs is welding the US-made gas piston to the bolt carrier instead of properly pinning it w/a little play for best reliability. If it's off-center just a little it can rub/bind causing a number of functioning problems. If you can break the weld and then pin the gas piston (back it off about 1/4-1/2 turn, just enough for a little play) you'll probably see a big improvement in functional reliability.
Tomac

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