what should i do with my ar 15


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blinky420
January 7, 2011, 05:36 PM
Im in a dilemma i dont know whether to make my ar tactical or for hunting yotes and other varmits

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Win1892
January 7, 2011, 05:37 PM
2 different uppers

CoRoMo
January 7, 2011, 05:40 PM
...i dont know whether to make my ar tactical or for hunting yotes...
We're in the same boat. I also don't know whether you should make your AR15 tactical or set it up for hunting coyotes.

rcmodel
January 7, 2011, 05:42 PM
I have a Colt pencil-barrel carbine that is pretty tackticool, and it kills coyotes just fine too.

You don't have too hang 10 pounds of mall-ninja junk on a perfectly good AR-15 to use it for all sorts of things.

rc

walking arsenal
January 7, 2011, 05:44 PM
Why not both?

If we knew a little more about your AR, Barrel length, twist rate, chambering, we might be able to help you better.

Can you update your post with that info?

christcorp
January 7, 2011, 06:24 PM
Do people or coyotes die "Differently" depending on the accessories on the gun? I figure; if I can shoot a person at 100-200 yards away with an AR, then I "Probably" can shoot a coyote that far away.

garyhan
January 7, 2011, 06:27 PM
Set it up for coyotes. You'll get a lot more real world use out of it.

gary

68wj
January 7, 2011, 06:28 PM
You can make it "tactical" and a great hunter if you are wise about what you do to it. An 8 MOA red dot is probably a pretty lousy aide at a 300 yd yote. Something like a 1-7x32 optic would be fantastic. A bunch of lasers, lights, rails, grips, etc can make a crappy rig for either

Grunt Medic TXARNG
January 7, 2011, 06:53 PM
Most of the 'tactical' AR crap is just that. Keep it simple and clean - and put an optic on it that lets you consistently hit at the ranges you expect to engage targets. More than anything, get out and shoot with it - here we have tactical matches every 2 weeks or so, and that is where you can really learn what works best for you, as well as seeing what others run.

My AR is also a multirole gun - it is set up for carbine competition (and incidentally home defense - though my shotgun is my first choice inside the fence) with a 3x ACOG on top and a 1x RDS on an angled mount off to the right. It's set up in 7.62x39, but can be quickly switched to fire 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 - and also the magwell can be swapped to use AR pattern mags. It's plenty accurate enough for pest control like you describe or for hunting, as well.

So - decide what YOU want to do with it!

Messenger Guard
January 7, 2011, 07:02 PM
Set it up for coyotes. If you have to use it on hominids or Goblins as Cooper called them, it will work fine in social situations as well.

Spec ops Grunt
January 7, 2011, 07:09 PM
Cant give a good answer without more info.


What kinda AR do you have right now? Do you already have a SD/tactical piece? Do you already have a varmint rifle?

Artiz
January 7, 2011, 09:24 PM
It's not because it's tactical that you can't hunt with it...

mljdeckard
January 7, 2011, 09:28 PM
Is it impossible to just get two?

Cal-gun Fan
January 7, 2011, 09:31 PM
Honestly, the tactical stuff isn't anything you will ever use. Go for a good hunting upper.

ritepath
January 7, 2011, 09:38 PM
I set one of mine up as a tactical AR, I haven't shot it since. Another I put a 4x12x50 on and I hunt with it, shoot it from the bench, and plink with it.

W.E.G.
January 7, 2011, 09:53 PM
Buy ammo.

451 Detonics
January 7, 2011, 11:23 PM
Shoot it more...

CraigC
January 8, 2011, 01:12 AM
An optimum setup for one purpose does not preclude it from the other. Put a decent 1-4x on it and use it for everything. Or, believe it or not, some folks actually still use iron sights in the field.

There's also nothing wrong with rails, vertical grips and weaponlights if you have a use for them.

RockyMtnTactical
January 8, 2011, 04:57 AM
Why not use it for both? My primary use is home defense, but I use mine for varmint hunting too.

killchain
January 8, 2011, 06:36 AM
Give it to me, I'll figure out what to use it for. :P

But seriously, use it for both. Just put the "useful" tacticool stuff on it that you would use to hunt coyotes.

mcdonl
January 8, 2011, 06:53 AM
So what are the big differences between the two? Would a tactical have a collapsible stock and optics made for picking up targets that are close, but quickly?

For coyote you would want an optic that would be good at longer ranges and I guess the stock could be whatever your comfortable with.

I dunno. I have shot coyotes with 22mag S/A revolvers, 30/30's and 9mm carbines so I do not think that the type of AR you use matters too much.

Maybe mount a lite on it that has a red filter too... although they make gun mounted yote spot lights anyway.

Tirod
January 8, 2011, 09:23 AM
Tactical is for an entry team busting in doors at meth lab sites, or patrolling some ville in Helmand province.

There's also nothing wrong with rails, vertical grips and weaponlights if you have a use for them. KAC, the government supplier for the quad rail, is on record saying the average civilian shooter just doesn't have need for the thing. 48" of rail, a VFG, and a weaponlight adds 2 pounds to that formerly light weight AR. It will do little to nothing in making a coyote any more dead, but it will lighten a wallet $400+ real quick.

Better off with a variable scope, tube free float, and practice shooting 400m on a windy day.

Tactical is available at the local Airsoft dealer, cheaper, looks cooler, and just as effective sitting in the closet. :evil:

CraigC
January 8, 2011, 09:52 AM
KAC, the government supplier for the quad rail, is on record saying the average civilian shooter just doesn't have need for the thing.
Who asked them??? It's interesting how some shooters are about this stuff. Even those that use AR's regularly. How's about, rather than making assumptions and potentially offensive generalizations, you ASK why someone may feel a need for such things??? They might tell you, it might be justified and maybe some so-called experts will learn a thing or two and nobody has a need to get defensive.

For me, I raise cattle and chickens. Which means I have a lot of feed stores. Which means I have rodents and predators making regular visits. They mostly come out at night. Which means that if I am to go forth and exterminate said vermin, I need a rifle that accepts a weaponlight. Which is exactly why I have both a "tactical" 10/22 and an AR. Both with rails, both with vertical grips (I dislike tapeswitches) and both have lights mounted. Why??? Not to make a cool toy. Not to show off at the range. Not because I'm a mall ninja. Because I actually NEED them. :rolleyes:

....and I will be well-equipped and well-practiced should I need a rifle when other things go "bump" in the night.

earlthegoat2
January 8, 2011, 10:17 AM
There are some mods that make it suitable for both "tactical" and hunting yotes. My first would be to upgrade to the longer Ace stock. (as in, the longer stock Ace produces)

If you already have the HB than dont change it but a medium weight barrel would be ideal for both tactical and hunting.

Flip down iron sights for tactical and a scope for yotes with HIGH quality resetting rings so you can at least get close to zero when you dismount and remount your scope.

blinky420
January 8, 2011, 11:46 AM
Its a dpms 5.56 16 inch barrels with a 1x9 twist and what kinda of ammo do yall shoot through yalls im shooting wolf right now but was told i probaly shouldnt

rcmodel
January 8, 2011, 11:59 AM
For coyote hunting it is very hard to beat 55 grain Hornady V-Max or Nosler Ballistic-Tip bullets.

They are extremely accurate, and designed to get inside a varmint & explode.
That results in a DRT coyote that won't run off and die in the brush where you can't find it. They are also very frangible if you miss and they hit the ground, so they won't ricochet into the next farm like FMJ bullets can possibly do.

Wolf may make a decent HP hunting load, I don't know.
But the FMJ military type stuff commonly sold is a crippler and should not be used for hunting.

rc

txhoghunter
January 9, 2011, 02:04 PM
Ok blinky, on my AR I have quad rails, a foregrip, a flashlight and a red dot sight so it is leaning towards the tactical side. This is because it is used on the ranch where we have been having problems with feral dogs and it is used as a protection gun. I have also used it for hunting coyotes out to about 250 yards, I just take off the foregrip and add a bipod.

My specs are a 16" M4 profile barrel and a 1 in 9" twist rate.

You can have both, but IMO if you want a "dedicated" coyote rifle (capable of consistent shots out to about 350 yards or so) you might want to look into a longer barreled upper.

But your DPMS can most definitely pull double duty.

I have shot many different types of ammo, but surprisingly my rifle likes Herters 62 gr HPs. It is steel cased (like the Wolf) and VERY cheap. The other type of ammo I use is Hornady TAP 55 gr. <- Great ammo, just a little pricey.

Just try some different ammo and see what your gun (and your wallet) likes.

stubbicatt
January 10, 2011, 08:13 AM
It's not because it's tactical that you can't hunt with it...

Well, that's true enough. But you might feel a bit silly.

dan3
January 10, 2011, 10:18 PM
Blinky,
I've think any style AR rifle (tactical or varmint) set up is easily capable of rendering a coyote DRT out to 300 yards. It's very easy to put together a very versatile AR system or you can build a AR for a very specific use - tactical or varmint or hunter.

When I decided to build my own AR - I wanted an "All-around" use carbine, so I put together: A2 upper, 16" heavy barrel w/flash hider, m4 handguard(w/heat shield), 6 position adjustable stock - can mount scope on the carry handle.
If I were doing it all over again - I'd probably use an A3 flat top (for better/easier scope mounting), flip-up front and rear BUIS (Back Up Iron Sights), same barrel, free float aluminum handguard.
Either way, I'd feel perfectly comfortable with either set-up if I had coyotes in the "back 40" or if it was "sappers in the wire".

If you want

grimmysnr
January 11, 2011, 03:42 AM
Make your AR for Varmint and all around use. You will enjoy it more and get your money's worth. Get some rings that are detachable and keep your zero. Throw a 4-12 scope on it and go hunting.

As for people hunting, AK-47.

Varob
January 11, 2011, 04:25 AM
I'd take it out as is, then see what mods, if any, you may need to make.

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