THR Remington 1858 Club


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Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 01:02 PM
Well, if it's good enough for the ROA and Walker guys......

Much as I admire Colt's open frame revolvers (I have two!) let's have a little fun and stand up for Eliphalet Remington & Sons product. As with the other 'clubs' the only entry requirement is that you own a '58 Remmie and that you post a picture! I'll start: here's mine, it's a Euroarms copy made in 1974.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/Vee8Disco/SideViewOnWhite.jpg

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TomADC
January 8, 2011, 01:07 PM
I have (4) two in .36 and (two in .44 cal, plus a .31 pocket pistol all steel frames.
Here are the two .36 cal.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/3058943/394150702.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 01:10 PM
Welcome Tom, sounds like you fully qualify! By the way - the Remington .31 pocket pistol will be next on my list - already have the Colt .31 so would make a great companion to that...

TomADC
January 8, 2011, 01:43 PM
Read my signature....:D

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 01:52 PM
Read my signature....:D
Tom, sadly, I think it would be too hard to import to the UK from the USA - I'll be in Nevada in October though if you've not sold it by then!

fogg64
January 8, 2011, 02:16 PM
I am a member of ROA Club. I recently got this 1858. It is a Pietta from Cabelas and appears to have been made in 1992 according to the proof marks. Hope this qualifies me to be a member.

mykeal
January 8, 2011, 02:35 PM
Me too, please! This is a 1981 Pietta:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Remington%20New%20Navy/0698.jpg

I've also got a 1972 Euroarms .44 New Army that I don't have pictures of yet.

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 02:44 PM
We're off to a great start!

#1 Shoot The Moon
#2 TomADC
#3 fogg64
#4 mykeal

Keep 'em coming.. :D

romel
January 8, 2011, 03:05 PM
This is my Remington 1858 New Improved Army .44 by Uberti....

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
January 8, 2011, 03:28 PM
This is my .36 Custom I use at Friendship

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/ThePerfectOne.jpg

rdstrain49
January 8, 2011, 03:33 PM
Mouse guns (Navy) allowed?http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad281/rdstrain49/IMG_0339.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 03:42 PM
Mouse guns (Navy) allowed?http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad281/rdstrain49/IMG_0339.jpg
Definitely!

junkman_01
January 8, 2011, 03:46 PM
Here's my entry. I only have this old brass Remmie made by PR. I'm more of a Colt guy :rolleyes:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=132176&stc=1&d=1292281939

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 03:46 PM
Fantastic! - looks like there's some interest here..

Welcome to fogg64, mykeal, romel, kwhi43 and rdstrain49!

#1 Shoot The Moon
#2 TomADC
#3 fogg64
#4 mykeal
#5 romel
#6 kwhi43
#7 rdstrain49

Great pictures, great guns. Thanks for joining!

STM

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 03:57 PM
Junkman 01, welcome.

#1 Shoot The Moon
#2 TomADC
#3 fogg64
#4 mykeal
#5 romel
#6 kwhi43
#7 rdstrain49
#8 junkman 01

:D

junkman_01
January 8, 2011, 03:59 PM
YES! I'm member #8 on this club and on the ROA club. YES! :D

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 04:17 PM
YES! I'm member #8 on this club and on the ROA club. YES! :D
'Tis very lucky in some parts of the world, the number 8.......

fogg64
January 8, 2011, 04:21 PM
junkman 01
Looks as if you timing to join was perfect.

AaronE
January 8, 2011, 04:50 PM
Well, I have two, a steel frame and a brass frame, other than that, identical. They are fun to shoot and not too bad to clean. They go well with the 1863 .54 cal Sharps sporting rifle (percussion) that i carry in concert. (pictures are on home machine...I'm at work)

jtscuba02
January 8, 2011, 05:32 PM
Another Remmy '58 owner. Pics will have to wait until I get back to Bragg. I'm TDY to Benning right now. 133655

Prairie Dawg
January 8, 2011, 05:41 PM
Sign me up!
My Remmie is a snubbie that I am still working on.
Percussion and .45 conversion cylinder.
--Dawg

http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/belly.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 8, 2011, 05:50 PM
Welcome to AaronE, jtscuba02 and Prairie Dawg;

#1 Shoot The Moon
#2 TomADC
#3 fogg64
#4 mykeal
#5 romel
#6 kwhi43
#7 rdstrain49
#8 junkman_01
#9 AaronE
#10 jtscuba02
#11 Prairie Dawg

jtscuba and AaronE - looking forward to those photos.. Prairie Dawg, that's a great snubbie - wonder what it'd be like with the percussion cylinder?

nalioth
January 8, 2011, 06:43 PM
Here's my Navy model, alongside a couple of those Colt patterns:

http://www.novarata.net/abrams/cap_n_ball/cap-n-ball_344_1024.jpg

Mizar
January 8, 2011, 07:11 PM
Count me in!

Boris

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5299/dsc02621j.jpg

BHP FAN
January 8, 2011, 07:15 PM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/hut-man/Newforsalepics005_edited.jpg

napp
January 8, 2011, 07:47 PM
Can I play? 1858 Remington New Army, Pietta, case hardened, checkered grips. Proof marked in 2009 [CD].

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/silvergto/P1010321.jpg

Jaymo
January 8, 2011, 11:24 PM
napp, nice to see more Georgians here. Are you native, or transplanted?

Mizar, what size Opinel is that? I have 2 Opinels and love them. I don't think you can get as good a knife for the price, except for a Mora.

I have 2 NMA, a 5.5" and an 8". .44 cal, of course. I'd like to have the .36 NMN and the .31 pocket.
Once I find the camera I'll take and post pics. Until then, my membership will just have to be "pending".

napp
January 9, 2011, 01:54 AM
Jaymo...Technically, I am a transplant; but I've lived almost half my life in Georgia.

theotherwaldo
January 9, 2011, 02:10 AM
Here's my stock photo of my old friend. You'll have to use the Flickr link, though.

http://flic.kr/p/5UG1HQ

(I'm gonna have to find another photo hosting site, darn it!)

Berkley
January 9, 2011, 02:13 AM
Can I join?
2010 Pietta New Army, extra Kirst conversion cylinder in.45 Colt.
http://i56.tinypic.com/dxjnfr.jpg
Older brass frame Pocket Model made for CVA by Armi San Marco.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2m48y.jpg

Jaymo
January 9, 2011, 02:36 AM
Berkley, nice grips on that NA. Where can I get a set?

napp, nice case hardened NA. Mine are both blue.

Jaymo
January 9, 2011, 02:43 AM
kwhi43, nice grips. Are they maple?

Berkley, nice grips. Where can I get a set like that?

napp, nice case hardened NA. Mine are both blue. Completely run-of-the-mill. But I like them. So, where'd ye move here from?

Oyeboten
January 9, 2011, 06:09 AM
Hasty image, but -


http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/46374/2722339040067835264S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2722339040067835264ajieRn)


I am very pleased with this Revolver. It is a joy to Shoot, accurate, smooth Action, comfortable in the Hand, and easy to clean.

Appears to me some sort of Magnetic 'Stainless'...it is a Uberti...and has wonderful Walnut Stocks also.

Shoot The Moon
January 9, 2011, 06:57 AM
Wow... I get some sleep and look what happened!

#1 Shoot The Moon
#2 TomADC
#3 fogg64
#4 mykeal
#5 romel
#6 kwhi43
#7 rdstrain49
#8 junkman_01
#9 AaronE
#10 jtscuba02
#11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth
#13 Mizar
#14 BHP FAN
#15 napp
#16 jaymo
#17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley
#19 Oyeboten

Gentlemen, thank you for showing your support – some great looking guns there. No way to rate them really, but personally I’m currently torn between kwhi43’s beautiful custom navy and BHP FAN’s stainless/polished army. Oh, and Berkley’s cased NMA with those grips….. Keep ‘em coming! :D

Berkley
January 9, 2011, 09:07 AM
Thanks for all the kind words. That cased conversion was an early birthday present to myself :) . The grips are from N.C. Ordnance.

messerist
January 9, 2011, 10:47 AM
Here is a shot of my Remington with a few of it's friends. May I join? FYI there is a forum for Remington revolvers on the CAS website that I find interesting and helpful http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,55.0.html
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt204/messerist/gunstuffII001.jpg

missuramoss
January 9, 2011, 12:28 PM
Nice lookin weapons ya'll have! I have 2, a Santa Barbara, and Pietta target model....But its been so long since I posted...I cant figure out how to get the pic up.

ojh
January 9, 2011, 03:33 PM
I've got these two:
- Pietta New Army in .44
- Navy Arms (Uberti) Navy in .36

http://koti.mbnet.fi/aohamala/Rem58s.jpg

txgunsuscg
January 9, 2011, 04:37 PM
Ooh, ooh, me too!

Three Piettas...

WALKERs210
January 9, 2011, 04:49 PM
Does this count as a real Remington ??? Brass frame 12" barrel, shoots great and gets attention like no other.

Shoot The Moon
January 9, 2011, 05:02 PM
Missuramoss -you can either add an attachment (use the little 'paperclip' icon in the reply editor) or you can link to an online image site like photobucket - in which case you paste the URL for the photo using the little 'landscape' icon. Let me know if you still have problems...... you're signed up so long as you promise to post those photos! :)

BConklin
January 9, 2011, 05:28 PM
Hey I got some of them things too...

a .36 caliber in the foreground - and two .44's

Jeepers - I should have wiped them down! That 36 is so lousy with fingerprints it almost looks case hardened

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc24/Beeconk/Remingtons/Remmies1.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 9, 2011, 05:28 PM
Does this count as a real Remington ??? Brass frame 12" barrel, shoots great and gets attention like no other.
I'd say that counts as a Remington and a half! What load do you use with that long barrel?

Shoot The Moon
January 9, 2011, 05:37 PM
Ok, membership update time....

#1 Shoot The Moon
#2 TomADC
#3 fogg64
#4 mykeal
#5 romel
#6 kwhi43
#7 rdstrain49
#8 junkman_01
#9 AaronE
#10 jtscuba02
#11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth
#13 Mizar
#14 BHP FAN
#15 napp
#16 jaymo
#17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley
#19 Oyeboten
#20 messerist
#21 ojh
#22 txgunsuscg
#23 WALKERs210
#24 BConklin

They're all great looking guns - but.... BConklin, that carbine is just beeeeeaaauutiful..... the trigger guard is a work of art. :cool:

ClemBert
January 9, 2011, 05:42 PM
Sign me up! :D

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/SyberTiger/1858/Flag18580006.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/SyberTiger/Firearms/Pietta%201858/PHOTO003.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/SyberTiger/Firearms/Remmie%201858/DSCN1321.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 9, 2011, 05:44 PM
ClemBert, welcome. Not only are those Remmies making me jealous, the quality of your photos are something to aspire to as well! Glad to have you along!

Oh and congratulations.... you made us the quarter century! 25 members after 24 hours...... :D

missuramoss
January 9, 2011, 05:46 PM
Here they are..Thanks for the info shoot the moon.

WALKERs210
January 9, 2011, 06:15 PM
I'd say that counts as a Remington and a half! What load do you use with that long barrel?
Started out with a .451 RB, prelubed wonder wad, with 25 g 3F bp. Last outing was using a .457 RB, Wonder wad, and 30g 3F bp. It hits where you aim and for me that is a testament to the gun not my shaky hands and wore out eyes.

Hellgate
January 9, 2011, 07:57 PM
Don't know how to upload photos but my avatar on othere boards is of me shooting one of my Ubertis. Have a total of 9 Remingtons (2 Navy Euros, 5 Euro 44s, & 2 Uberti 44 Milleniums). Used to own 3 Pietta SS NMA 44s. I think I qualify.

dtvburns
January 10, 2011, 09:28 AM
Here my case hardened 1858 with its slim jim holster

Loosenock
January 10, 2011, 12:41 PM
I too prefer the Colts. But you've just gotta have a couple of Remmies to show folks what'cha talk'n about.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/loosenock/1858remmies002.jpg

napp
January 10, 2011, 12:56 PM
I spent 28 years living in different places at the whim of the U.S. Army. As an Infantryman, many of my stateside assignments were at Fort Benning, GA. I was assigned in GA when I retired; so I saw no reason to leave.

My original home was a neighboring state of GA. Actually, the second best college football team from that state is playing for the BCS National Championship tonight. ;)

Ultravox
January 10, 2011, 02:20 PM
I'm new to black powder and my first revolver is a Pietta 1858 New Army Brass Frame.

http://timf.anansi-web.com/images/misc/bp1.jpg

Just bought it and can't wait for it to warm up outside so I can go shoot it.

I've already torn it down, cleaned and lubed it, so it's all good to go.

Otony
January 10, 2011, 02:48 PM
I will have to take a photo, but I have two currently. first is a 5.5" Uberti .44 with the newer forged frame, and the second is a 5.5" Uberti in .38 Special. The .38 is due to arrive here in a few days and I am beside myself in anticipation!

I am looking for the right stainless steel 1858 to replace one I foolishly sold back in the 1970s. Taylor's is importing the 1858 in .38-40, which sounds like one to own as well.

I sold off a forged frame Uberti a couple of years ago that had a color case-hardened frame, another big mistake. I have come to the conclusion that Remmies are for keeping, not for selling!

Shoot The Moon
January 10, 2011, 02:51 PM
#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 ojh #22 txgunsuscg #23 WALKERs210 #24 BConklin #25 ClemBert #26 Hellgate #27 dtvburns #28 Loosenock #29 Ultravox #30 Otony

Welcome gents! If work would spare me for a while, I will create a map of the world with our various locations - along with all the folks from the United States, I think we now have representation from Bulgaria, Spain, Finland, England and Canada.

Loosenock
January 10, 2011, 02:55 PM
Octony said:

"I sold off a forged frame Uberti a couple of years ago that had a color case-hardened frame, another big mistake. I have come to the conclusion that Remmies are for keeping, not for selling!".

How can you tell if your frame is forged or not?

Otony
January 10, 2011, 03:03 PM
I am not completely sure. both of mine were sold as such and have markings on the box to support the type of manufacture.

I can understand how a forged part might be considered stronger or preferable to some folks, but for the life of me the cast frame Ubertis have been around for what, 40+ years with no issues. I think the forged frames may have been introduced to better handle the cartridge conversions available directly from Uberti?

jtscuba02
January 10, 2011, 03:06 PM
@ Napp, I have been at Bragg for 11 years now and on occasion had to make the trip to Benning for schools and such. In fact, I am supposed to PCS here. I'm from SC and would rather stay at Bragg. I know all to well about the sacrifices you have to make to stay close to home.

@Otony, I am considering selling a black rifle to facilitate my future BP purchases. Don't think I would ever consider selling any of my BP weapons. I have become attached to them. And my kid seems to like them too.

Loosenock
January 10, 2011, 03:16 PM
@Octony

I searched the web and what I gather is that all Uberti '58s manufactured in 2007 and after are forged frames. So consider the source. That would be a date code [CB]. The date code on mine is [CD] meaning 2009 and that it would be a "Forged Frame".

Interesting to know. Thanks

Otony
January 10, 2011, 03:28 PM
Good information Loosenock. I for one would be most interested in finding out why Uberti felt the need to go to forged after all these years, but since both of mine are so made I guess I won't worry about it too much!

Mizar/Boris, could you please tell us a bit more about your little grip adaptor. It appears to be home made from wood, am I correct?

missuramoss
January 10, 2011, 04:37 PM
Hmmm..after lookin at the roster, guess mine werent good enough to join huh?...lol..just jivin...some damn fine lookin Remmys here!

Shoot The Moon
January 10, 2011, 04:40 PM
Hmmm..after lookin at the roster, guess mine werent good enough to join huh?...lol..just jivin...some damn fine lookin Remmys here!
Eeeek! missuramoss, my sincere apologies!!

Revised roster coming in a moment.........

Shoot The Moon
January 10, 2011, 04:44 PM
Roster duly corrected.. Missuramoss is reinstated!

#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony

The list is gettin' long.... :cool:

Mizar
January 10, 2011, 04:46 PM
Otony, yes it is home made from a scrap piece of walnut. It is attached to the frame ala T-grip style. Does good job of taking my middle finger's knuckle away from the trigger guard and it is giving me a more uniform grip.

Boris

45-70 Ranger
January 11, 2011, 01:50 PM
Morning,

Been bustin' caps since around '65. Here's a tiny shot of my .44. It's the best I could do with a camera in the phone I carry. Now if the attachment worked I'll be thrilled. I'm no computer whiz so it many not even work! But can I still come and play here with the other Remington pistoleros?

Wade

Shoot The Moon
January 11, 2011, 04:51 PM
Morning,

Been bustin' caps since around '65. Here's a tiny shot of my .44. It's the best I could do with a camera in the phone I carry. Now if the attachment worked I'll be thrilled. I'm no computer whiz so it many not even work! But can I still come and play here with the other Remington pistoleros?

Wade
45-70 Ranger, welcome - that surely is a tiny picture, but it posted just fine. Is it a Uberti copy or one of the others?

Tinpan58
January 11, 2011, 08:28 PM
Here is my .44 & .36

1858remington
January 12, 2011, 01:33 AM
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5185/58snubsmall001wk5.jpg
By null (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/null) at 2008-12-10

I added a kirst pin retaining catch to keep the cylinder pin in place.

1858remington
January 12, 2011, 01:35 AM
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6357/myremingtonsko0.jpg
By null (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/null) at 2008-12-10

I kinda like the 1858 remmie's

napp
January 12, 2011, 12:02 PM
Are you by any chance related to Kenneth (Ken) Null? Sorry for the thread jack.

45-70 Ranger
January 12, 2011, 02:22 PM
45-70 Ranger, welcome - that surely is a tiny picture, but it posted just fine. Is it a Uberti copy or one of the others?
STM, that's a Pietta replica I picked up after the first owner bent the basepin and locked it up. Got it cheap and the repair was easy. This is my 5th Remington, wish I kept the others, but I was a gunsmith/dealer and when an offer was made in those days and the price was right....sold! I could kick myself.....But still have a few charcoal burner wheelguns and this one has become my "go to gun" when I want a revolver that can hit close and hard. My old 2nd. Mod Dragoon pouts as we speak!

Wade

Smokepole14
January 12, 2011, 05:03 PM
Here's Mine 1858 Remington Pietta New Model Army

Shoot The Moon
January 12, 2011, 05:24 PM
Membership Update!

#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14

Welcome, gentlemen!

1858 Remington, that's a fine collection - what's the matte grey finish on that snubbie?

Howdy Doody
January 12, 2011, 06:01 PM
Shoot The Moon, that Euroarms is a really nice 58. Do they all have the trigger return like that? I think that is the first one I have observed.
I have a pair of Pietta 58's blued, 8" barrels and some spare cylinders. I'll get a picture of them to post, but in the meantime, how about this one for big game?

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL1945/12788760/22753902/394562885.jpg

It would look real official if the shooter at least had glasses and ear protection, but it is a funny picture and I do not know the details on if it is made of wood or what.

craiso
January 12, 2011, 06:15 PM
Finally a club I can join ;). Here is my modified target model. I hated the front sight so I had a smith add a dovetail for a less obtrusive one :).

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/craiso/Pietta%201858%20Target%20Model/th_100_4390.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/craiso/Pietta%201858%20Target%20Model/?action=view&current=100_4390.jpg)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/craiso/Pietta%201858%20Target%20Model/th_100_4389.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/craiso/Pietta%201858%20Target%20Model/?action=view&current=100_4389.jpg)

Shoot The Moon
January 12, 2011, 06:37 PM
Howdy, Craiso - welcome to the club.

Howdy, I have not seen one with the adjustable trigger stop anywhere before, it's a one-off modification made by a previous owner. The trigger appears to be much wider than stock too - and the break is perfect. All this suggests someone once owned it that was really into their paper - punching. It has been suggested that it was a custom job by the late Tom Ball, however I suspect it's unlikely to have been subsequently shipped to the UK. More likely I think is that after the 1997 (cartridge) handgun ban here, someone who'd handed in his accurized smith/dan wesson/whatever used the compensation money to accurize the Remmie.


Great picture by the way.... :D

BHP FAN
January 12, 2011, 06:42 PM
Man, those are some nice guns!

Phantom Captain
January 12, 2011, 07:03 PM
Well since I'm the Walker club I guess it's only appropriate that I should be in the Remington club too.

Here's my two...

Stainless .44 and blued .36 :cool:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r130/mboyd13/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4078a.jpg

jtscuba02
January 12, 2011, 08:49 PM
There is a lot of nice Remmies in this thread.

the Black Spot
January 12, 2011, 09:32 PM
mine is a pietta like this one:

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/images/Gun-Images/Pietta-1858-Remington-A16924.jpg

1858remington
January 14, 2011, 01:30 AM
The Mat Grey finish on my snubby is factory. Uberti produced some with their "Millenium" finish. Its a kind of parkerizing. The downside is the gun fouls about 3 times as fast as a blued gun. Whith smokeless its not a problem, but black powder fouling loves to stick on parkerizing.

Capt. Redbeard
January 14, 2011, 08:03 PM
Ok, how do you post pictures??

mykeal
January 14, 2011, 08:52 PM
Capt. Redbeard - Go to the Site Maintenance section of the forum and look under the Technical Support thread for a couple of stickys on the subject.

martysport
January 16, 2011, 01:16 PM
My 1st BP gun, Pietta 1858 .44

http://martysport.webege.com/1858/30.JPG

Capt. Redbeard
January 16, 2011, 01:48 PM
134195

Ok hopefully this works, if so am I in the club??

Also, thanks for telling me about site maintenance and help. It helped!

Shanghai McCoy
January 16, 2011, 02:25 PM
I have two, one with the 7" barrel and the other with the 5 1/2" barrel. It is a good, solid feeling style of pistol...

Oh, BTW, both of mine are Piettas.

GlennC22ndMVI
January 16, 2011, 03:31 PM
How does one "Join the Club"?

junkman_01
January 16, 2011, 04:06 PM
To join the club, you must post a picture of your gun.

Shoot The Moon
January 16, 2011, 05:25 PM
Looks time for another 'Roll Call'!

#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14 #36 Howdy Doody #37Craiso #38 Phantom Captain #39 The Black Spot #40 Martysport #41 Captain Redbeard #42 Shanghai McCoy #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!)

Wow - what a great collection of Remmies - thanks one and all - and keep them coming! :D

Shoot The Moon
January 16, 2011, 07:02 PM
By the way gents... we are only five members short of getting ahead of the ROA guys - :D

BlackPowderSmoke
January 16, 2011, 07:19 PM
I guess owning at least one Remmy is the only requirement here. Does that means even crazy people such as myself can join the club?? Two Lyman imported Uberti 1861 New Arny 44's
http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy205/ezcomputertips/IMG_0195.jpg

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy205/ezcomputertips/IMG_0202.jpg

BHP FAN
January 16, 2011, 08:36 PM
Salt, and Pepper! Saweeet!

Howdy Doody
January 16, 2011, 11:52 PM
Here is a picture of my 2 Pietta '58s. I took the bluing off to antique them and then treated the metal.

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL1945/12788760/22753902/394642447.jpg

BHP FAN
January 17, 2011, 11:56 AM
them are handsome!

ClemBert
January 17, 2011, 12:07 PM
By the way gents... we are only five members short of getting ahead of the ROA guys :D

If you mean by "getting ahead of the ROA guys" as being less exclusive then I think there are by far more 1858 replica/repro owners and probably much more than Walker owners. However, the number of owners of 1851's, 1860's, and 1861's probably outpaces all the aforementioned.

I tend to like the 1858's more so than the Colts although I have my share of Colt open tops. Sure are a lot of purty 1858's in this thread. :cool:

fogg64
January 17, 2011, 01:08 PM
I belong to both Rem 1858 and ROA clubs.
I was out shooting them yesterday. I noticed that after about 10 shots the Rem would foul up so much that the cylinder would hardly turn. The ROA would still be going strong after 24 rounds. I seems that I had read that this would happening because of the design of cylinder/base pin/forcing cone. It proved itself out. A little moose milk at the front of the cylinder and frame would get me back in the game.
Even with this little delay, I enjoyed shooting both guns.

Howdy Doody
January 17, 2011, 01:08 PM
Opps, I have a picture of ROAs on the other thread. Well, if they start a '51 thread, a 44-40 thread, a derringer thread, then I will just have to cover all bases. :)

Shoot The Moon
January 17, 2011, 03:33 PM
If you mean by "getting ahead of the ROA guys" as being less exclusive then I think there are by far more 1858 replica/repro owners and probably much more than Walker owners. However, the number of owners of 1851's, 1860's, and 1861's probably outpaces all the aforementioned.

I tend to like the 1858's more so than the Colts although I have my share of Colt open tops. Sure are a lot of purty 1858's in this thread. :cool:
Just a little friendly rivalry ClemBert :D (I still regret selling my ROA actually - it was a stainless one and I let it go for a song... live and learn, huh?)

When I started this thread, I wondered if posting one on the Remmie would attract much interest - I am really pleased to have been proved wrong!

Someone else can start the '51 Navy thread! lol.

Shoot The Moon
January 17, 2011, 04:17 PM
I really, really like this...

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/080329150606003

But sadly the price is way too high. The appeal of this conversion, (for the benefit of those lucky enough to still live where cartridge guns can be owned) is that it can be used on the many indoor ranges that we still have here in England and somewhat replaces the target revolvers we lost in '97.

I don't much like the idea of measuring 3 grains of Bullseye out on the firing point, nor the risk of a double charge, but it is a great looker for sure!

ClemBert
January 17, 2011, 06:35 PM
...replaces the target revolvers we lost in '97.

Say what? What precisely did you lose and why? :cuss:

ClemBert
January 17, 2011, 06:42 PM
Just a little friendly rivalry ClemBert (I still regret selling my ROA actually - it was a stainless one and I let it go for a song... live and learn, huh?)

Ah ha! :uhoh: Sounds to me like you are going to have to go get your ROA back if you want to be in THR's "MOST EXCLUSIVE" club. :neener:

I'll make it into the 1851, 1860, clubs etc but if they keep going it'll force me to buy some more BP revolvers. ;)

Pressure_Cleaner
January 17, 2011, 07:00 PM
My first Black Powder pistol was a .44 1858 and I just got a spare cylinder on the UPS truck tonight!
Ran right out and shot 6 shots, before my wife got home and started moaning about all the noise! :banghead:

Shoot The Moon
January 17, 2011, 07:05 PM
Say what? What precisely did you lose and why? :cuss:
Not just target revos actually... I'll go a bit 'off topic' to explain - all cartridge firing guns with a barrel of less than 12" and an overall length of 24" were banned from private ownership in the UK.

This change in law followed the tragic school shooting at Dunblane in Scotland where sixteen children and their teacher were shot dead by a licenced gun owner. All the handguns in that category were confiscated by the government and their owners paid cash compensation, which including the administration costs was estimated to have cost the country over £1bn. The stated aim was that such a tragedy could never occur again.

For carefully vetted Firearm certificate holders, we are still allowed muzzle loaders, manually operated centerfire rifles and carbines and semiauto rifles or carbines in .22RF only. Shotguns are also allowed and are separately licenced. A few historic handguns were also spared but can only be owned by bonafide collectors and they are not allowed to be kept in the home, nor used for any form of competitive shooting. They are stored at 'Historic Arms Centres' where the owners may 'visit' them and test fire them from time to time.

Anyway, back to the topic! D'ya like that modified Remmie??

arcticap
January 17, 2011, 07:44 PM
The Mat Grey finish on my snubby is factory. Uberti produced some with their "Millenium" finish. Its a kind of parkerizing. The downside is the gun fouls about 3 times as fast as a blued gun. Whith smokeless its not a problem, but black powder fouling loves to stick on parkerizing.

By looking at photos, I initially thought that Uberti's Millenium finish was paint. But someone posted how it's actually factory hot chemical blue applied to a rough surface to save on the cost of polishing it.
So if the powder residue is sticking to the surface I would think that it is due to simply being rougher and not polished, since from what was posted it's not a form of parkerizing.
It's blue that's more like the rough unpolished blue finish on the Remington Express 870 pump shotgun which is also an economy version compared to the more highly polished Wingmaster. :)

Dudemeister
January 19, 2011, 03:06 AM
I guess I too can join this club now. This past weekend I was at Cabelas, Reno and bought this Remi:

http://digistealth.com/Public/Guns/1858%20Remi/1858_1.jpg

http://digistealth.com/Public/Guns/1858%20Remi/1858_3.jpg

45-70 Ranger
January 19, 2011, 12:30 PM
It appears that the Remington folks are rallying to the flag! Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...kinda like that coyote I plugged with my '58 on New Years day in my back woods!

Glad to see so many that admire this weapon design.

Wade

RhinoDave
January 19, 2011, 09:58 PM
Here's another to add to the pile. It's an early Navy Arms. Manf. is unknown.
http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/43475/2091853980104169197S600x600Q85.jpg

Hellgate
January 19, 2011, 10:38 PM
Rhino Dave,
I'm gonna guess and say it is an Uberti based on the thin layer of metal where the barrel screws into the frame. The Ubertis look more like the originals in that area. The original Remington did not have a lot of "beef" where the barrel screwed into the frame and had a nice, smooth transition from barrel to frame. The Piettas have a big step of metal where the barrel goes in unlike photos of originals. The Euroarms are in between in beefiness but overall are much lighter guns and easier to wield.

BHP FAN
January 19, 2011, 10:43 PM
I'd say Hellgate nailed it. The early Navy Arms were mostly ASM [Armi San Marco] and then Uberti's.

Shoot The Moon
January 20, 2011, 02:26 PM
Welcome to our new members - thanks for joining. As well as a great chance to show our guns off, the thread will provide a great type-specific resource for info on the '58.

Here's the latest roll call.

#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14 #36 Howdy Doody #37Craiso #38 Phantom Captain #39 The Black Spot #40 Martysport #41 Captain Redbeard #42 Shanghai McCoy #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!) #44 BlackPowderSmoke #45 Pressure Cleaner #46 Dudemeister #47 RhinoDave

straight-shooter
January 22, 2011, 08:45 PM
I'll join the fray !

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd56/straightshooter44/1858Portraitweb.jpg

rem1858
January 22, 2011, 09:28 PM
http://http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=134684&stc=1&d=1295745885

http://http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=134685&stc=1&d=1295745885

I have been told from the other forum that it has been modified, cylinder machined for gas ring and the barrel threaded and set back to accomodate the cylinder machining.

Have a new 1858 coming, will be here this week.
Had to get one to go with the 2 extra cylinders I purchased, but will not work in the above gun.

Clarence

ClemBert
January 22, 2011, 10:09 PM
I have been told from the other forum that it has been modified, cylinder machined for gas ring and the barrel threaded and set back to accomodate the cylinder machining.

Ala ROA, that minimizes binding of the cylinder to the frame.

mykeal
January 23, 2011, 07:57 AM
Ok, finally got time to take some pictures. This is the 1972 Euroarms New Army I mentioned in my first post. It's actually closer to the 1861 Remington-Beals Army Model, except for the safety notches in the cylinder; they were not added until 1863, I believe.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Remington%20New%20Army/0041.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 27, 2011, 07:34 PM
#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14 #36 Howdy Doody #37Craiso #38 Phantom Captain #39 The Black Spot #40 Martysport #41 Captain Redbeard #42 Shanghai McCoy #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!) #44 BlackPowderSmoke #45 Pressure Cleaner #46 Dudemeister #47 RhinoDave #48 Straight-Shooter #49 Rem1858

Welcome to new members Straight-Shooter and the VERY appropriately named Rem1858! Are you and '1858 Remington' related? ;)

I'm hoping to make the drive to my club this Sunday afternoon and shoot the Remmie - have made up several powder measures to try some different loads.

Shoot The Moon
January 27, 2011, 07:42 PM
Mykeal, other than my polished cylinder, your gun is the 'spit of mine. I looked at the design with interest and determined the same as you - closer to the Beals, especially with the barrel and frame flush against the front of the cylinder.

Shame we're 3,750 miles (as the crow flies!) apart - It'd be good to shoot them together and compare!

mykeal
January 27, 2011, 08:28 PM
That and the trigger stop.

We'll be over there in mid-April, in Staffordshire (Stoke), but I don't think they'll let me bring it.

grimjaw
January 27, 2011, 11:33 PM
I think the Colt's are more attractive, but I like the Remington 1858 because IMLE it's less finicky in operation. However, the '58 does clean up well.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/5394213647_6ff5f80221_z.jpg

TheBigAR2003
January 28, 2011, 11:16 PM
let me in
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq25/TheBigAR2003/IMAG0036.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq25/TheBigAR2003/IMAG0035.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq25/TheBigAR2003/IMAG0034.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq25/TheBigAR2003/IMAG0033.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq25/TheBigAR2003/IMAG0032.jpg
family pic
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq25/TheBigAR2003/img1260813311958.jpg

Shoot The Moon
January 29, 2011, 09:11 AM
#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14 #36 Howdy Doody #37Craiso #38 Phantom Captain #39 The Black Spot #40 Martysport #41 Captain Redbeard #42 Shanghai McCoy #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!) #44 BlackPowderSmoke #45 Pressure Cleaner #46 Dudemeister #47 RhinoDave #48 Straight-Shooter #49 Rem1858 #50 grimjaw #51 TheBigAR2003

Welcome to grimjaw and TheBigAR2003 - thanks for joining and posting your photos.

Hoof Hearted
January 30, 2011, 08:55 PM
OK
I wanna play..........

Does an Armoury Conversion get me in the door?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_0698.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_0700.jpg

If not let me know as I have lots more Remingtons:neener:

Hoof Hearted
January 30, 2011, 09:02 PM
mykeal

I thought you might find these two "Beals" clones I built on Euroarms base pistols.

This one is still cap and ball (built for a customer)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_1445.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_1446.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_1447.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_1448.jpg

This one is mine and I have not finished it (like a Cobbler and his kids shoes) but it is converted to 44 Colt Heel base.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_0688.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_0690.jpg

Hellgate
January 31, 2011, 12:34 AM
Hoof Hearted,
You betcha! That looks like an original in fine shape.

kbbailey
January 31, 2011, 12:47 AM
135305

my first attempt at posting a picture.....

count me in!

Hoof Hearted
January 31, 2011, 01:03 AM
Hoof Hearted,
You betcha! That looks like an original in fine shape.
Hellgate

I'm sure you're the same one from the CAS-L site...right?

Does your "you betcha" mean I am an official card carrying member with the secret decoder ring coming in the mail? I have the radio turned on waiting for my assignment (I hope it aint Malt-O Meal)!!!

The revolver is an "Armoury" conversion of a New Model Army and it is thought to be in the blueing that was applied at the time of conversion. The grips are nice with some slight "staple" hammering on the butt. I am pretty proud to own it! I enjoy shooting it also.............

If you know me from over there, you know I have many conversions. They are my only vice (although the wife thinks that watching Oprah and eating Bon-Bons is my only vice) :-)

Hellgate
January 31, 2011, 01:28 AM
Hoof Hearted,
I'm on so many different lists that I don't remember a CAS-L but I've probably been on it. (CAS-City, Open Range, SASS Wire, ML-L and several others that have BP sections).
I'm not the one that founded this Remington association so it is up to the "officials" to make any declaration but if anyone has an original that is, to me, even more proof positive that they belong.
I only have 8 Remingtons (all repros).

Hoof Hearted
January 31, 2011, 01:34 AM
the CAS-City forum was once called CAS-L.......it's hell being old (er).

Bill Akins
February 1, 2011, 04:52 AM
Here's my two "1 of 5000" consecutively numbered, unfired, nickel and gold plated, fully engraved, Pietta Remingtons.

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/12245/2688126810099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/34444/2247233570099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/42946/2067245590099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/41340/2448227770099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/4723/2726114710099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/13022/2165516810099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/13327/2506887260099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/45850/2690222460099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

Not really advertising them here, this thread is for show/sharing, but my above special edition Remys are for sale, if anyone is interested e mail or p.m. me. (Don't comment or ask me at this thread).
I'm a shooter and I've decided to not keep guns I don't shoot or that are too collectible to shoot as these are.
I've got to sell them before I fall prey to the urge to shoot them :D, which would drastically decrease their collector's value.

Here's three pics of my stainless, Pietta, target sighted model. I'm keeping this one. It's a great shooter and being polished stainless, an easy cleanup with hot soapy water. After every shooting I IMMEDIATELY (within a few hours) dunk the entire revolver, brush out the barrel and cylinder chambers and carefully scrub the nipples and exposed portion of the forcing cone and everything else with a soapy toothbrush, rinse it with hot water, let it dry naturally or dry it with a hair dryer, and then using that little red tube on the WD40 can, I spray into the openings in the revolver so I cover the internals with WD40 and drive out any moisture from the cleaning. I don't WD40 the insides of the chambers on the cylinder though, and just let them dry naturally or with a hair dryer.

After several separate outings of shooting, I take it completely apart and clean the internals carefully and then lube them with some non petroleum based lubricant so the lube won't hold BP fouling residue. Sometimes I'll take the nipples out and re-new the anti seize compound on their threads too. I also lessen the tension on the bolt spring some too and then secure the bolt spring bolt with a little blue locktite so it won't vibrate loose. It isn't necessary to use the full tension of that bolt/trigger spring and lessens the ringing line on the cylinder. Less tension on it also means my bolt/trigger springs last longer too. I've had a lot of BP revolvers, but never any before in stainless. This revolver has totally sold me on having stainless ones.

The barrel and loading lever have been cut down and a new dovetail slot cut in line with the barrel made on top of the shorter barrel for re-attaching the front sight and the loading lever latch underneath the barrel has been re-attached too. Barrel is nicely crowned also. A carefully done modification of the target model. I have the R&D conversion cylinder for it also in .45 colt long. Yep, this one's a keeper.

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/37032/2966262460099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/45877/2290370470099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/42630/2822957140099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

Voodoochile
February 1, 2011, 07:01 AM
Here's mine, a Pietta that I custom cut, recrowned & throated the barrel, reamed the chambers to .4510, smoothed the action & a few other custom work along with browning it.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/7323983/aview/100_2122.JPG

oam
February 1, 2011, 09:04 AM
hello from france,



http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/74/35/51/concou11.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=409&u=11743551)

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/74/35/51/corde11.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=408&u=11743551)

Hellgate
February 1, 2011, 03:08 PM
Oam,
What's a frenchman doing with a whorehouse token from Los Angeles?
Hellgate

dtvburns
February 1, 2011, 03:12 PM
Apparently he figured that was the only thing he wanted to take home from that whorehouse.

He always has Rue St. Dennis

Shoot The Moon
February 1, 2011, 03:41 PM
#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14 #36 Howdy Doody #37Craiso #38 Phantom Captain #39 The Black Spot #40 Martysport #41 Captain Redbeard #42 Shanghai McCoy #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!) #44 BlackPowderSmoke #45 Pressure Cleaner #46 Dudemeister #47 RhinoDave #48 Straight-Shooter #49 Rem1858 #50 grimjaw #51 TheBigAR2003 #52 Hoof Hearted #53 kbbailey #54 Bill Aikins #55 voodoochile #56 oam

Wow.... that's all I can say.. wow..

:D (Hoof Hearted, you DEFINITELY qualify! no question....)

oam
February 1, 2011, 04:08 PM
hello,

What's a frenchman doing with a whorehouse token from Los Angeles?


I did'nt understand what was happen... after 1 hour the girl just said "wow ! for you it's free ! " ;)

(It's a replica that i bought on a gun show.)

Shoot The Moon
February 1, 2011, 04:14 PM
(It's a replica that i bought on a gun show.)
You should never have admitted to it being a replica... :rolleyes:

oam, bienvenue au club, vous êtes mon voisin le plus proche!

Hellgate
February 1, 2011, 04:32 PM
OAM,
You've surely got the right attitude! Welcome aboard.

oam
February 1, 2011, 04:46 PM
thank you to admit me to the "Official THR Remington 1858 Club".

Is there a ritual tatoo ?
http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/74/35/51/th/double10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=412&u=11743551)
http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/74/35/51/th/1858_s10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=411&u=11743551)

big pictures from this book:
http://pmcdn.priceminister.com/photo/850259810_L.jpg
"Les Armes Américaines 1870-1871 De La Défense Nationale Lorain (Pierre)"

BHP FAN
February 1, 2011, 04:54 PM
Not yet...

messerist
February 1, 2011, 08:18 PM
Wife said I can't get any more tattoos. She might make an exception for crossed Remmies!

oam
February 2, 2011, 05:21 AM
When i asked for a 1858 .44 tatoo she said "it's to big" so i made a .36 one :evil:

Oyeboten
February 5, 2011, 09:29 PM
In the old days, a 'Tattoo' was also a Musical composition, or March.


Say oam,


Your 2nd Remington there in the image...

Is that a dull Magnetic Stainless Steel?


Is it a Uberti?



Looks a lot like mine.

kameron1858
February 5, 2011, 10:23 PM
heres mine

BHP FAN
February 6, 2011, 01:15 AM
Oh, yeah....I like that one!

Oyeboten
February 6, 2011, 05:07 AM
...which one?

oam
February 6, 2011, 10:51 AM
@Oyeboten : the first one is a pietta stainless and the second have no name on it, only a double diamond like that:
http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/74/35/51/p1010010.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=413&u=11743551)
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=10&u=11001213 maybe "hubertus" or "MOFRA di mainardi" :-/
It's not a stainless one and i made the ring that you'll better see on this picture:
http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/74/35/51/ned10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=410&u=11743551)
(thank you for the sense of "tatoo")

Oyeboten
February 6, 2011, 05:44 PM
Hi oam,



I really like that 'In the White' look.


Mine, when I first saw it, appeared to be a mellow, in the White, but, I later realized it was some sort of Stainless.


The next county over from me here has Whore Houses.

I went to one to see what it would be like, and, all the gils looked like retired Roller Derby champeens.


Man, I never seen a rougher, tougher bunch of girls anywhere before or since.


If I was ever going to be in a Bar Fight, I would definitely want them on my side!


Lol...

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
February 8, 2011, 12:19 AM
Evening folks....Pietta '58, .44 New Model Army....Battle Flag photo is original; one of my most treasured possessions and I don't possess much anyway....

Hoof Hearted
February 8, 2011, 12:23 AM
Evening folks....Pietta '58, .44 New Model Army..(.44-40)..Battle Flag photo is original; one of my most treasured possessions and I don't possess much anyway....
That cylinder in your Case Hardened Pietta appears to be a Kirst with Walt's "reinactor" backplate........you sure it's chambered in 44-40?

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
February 8, 2011, 12:31 AM
Revolver is proofed up with internals specially hardened and polished, trigger pull set, barrel replaced etc.. I fire Triple Seven 3fff, load equivelent to a .44-40. Use Remington #10 percussion caps and swaged round lead .451 balls just like my carbines. I will immediatedly remove all reference to '.44-40' in the above post. Didn't mean to cause confusion. PS.. Not asking to be a member of this '58 club. I belong to the 1847 WALKER CLUB. Proud of it to....

Mizar
February 8, 2011, 09:18 AM
Then why did you post in this thread? :confused:

Boris

arcticap
February 8, 2011, 03:41 PM
Then why did you post in this thread? :confused:
Boris

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL showed and described to everyone about his Remington revolver and simply indicated that he doesn't really care whether he's put on the Remington 1858 Club membership list or not. In other words joining was not his primary reason for posting.
Simply wanting to post about his Remington is reason enough. :)

Shoot The Moon
February 8, 2011, 05:39 PM
Just wanting to show us a photo and tell us about your Remington is enough to be included.. there's no fee other than your participation. We seem to be doing rather well too! :D

My intent in starting this thread was simply to encourage everyone to show off their guns, share knowledge and fire the imagination. You are all most welcome here, thanks for posting!

Shoot The Moon
February 8, 2011, 05:46 PM
Roll Call!

#1 Shoot The Moon #2 TomADC #3 fogg64 #4 mykeal #5 romel #6 kwhi43 #7rdstrain49 #8 junkman_01 #9 AaronE #10 jtscuba02 #11 Prairie Dawg
#12 Nalioth #13 Mizar #14 BHP FAN #15 napp #16 jaymo #17 theotherwaldo
#18 berkley #19 Oyeboten #20 messerist #21 missuramoss #22 ojh #23 txgunsuscg #24 WALKERs210 #25 BConklin #26 ClemBert #27 Hellgate #28 dtvburns #29 Loosenock #30 Ultravox #31 Otony #32 45-70 Ranger #33 Tinpan 58 #34 1858 Remington #35 Smokepole14 #36 Howdy Doody #37Craiso #38 Phantom Captain #39 The Black Spot #40 Martysport #41 Captain Redbeard #42 Shanghai McCoy #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!) #44 BlackPowderSmoke #45 Pressure Cleaner #46 Dudemeister #47 RhinoDave #48 Straight-Shooter #49 Rem1858 #50 grimjaw #51 TheBigAR2003 #52 Hoof Hearted #53 kbbailey #54 Bill Aikins #55 voodoochile #56 oam #57 kameron1858 #58 GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

Welcome to kameron1858 and GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL. We now have nearly sixty members!

72coupe
February 8, 2011, 05:49 PM
I know there is other stuff in the picture but it is the only picture I have or the Remington.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa170/72coupe/DSC00198.jpg

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
February 8, 2011, 10:19 PM
Thank you. I graciously accept. Very courteous and pleasant and kind of you gentlemen to include me....Yes, I was only saying good evening and just showing the '58. I own 5 of them; 2 laser grip case hardened, 2 Target Models, and one Stainless (fixed sights).. All of them have had a lot of work done on them but the one I pictured here is the only one of them I carry and shoot. All 5 of them are Remington (Pietta) 1858 New Model Armies. '58's are fine handguns..Have a good evenin all of you....

BlackPowderSmoke
February 10, 2011, 03:59 AM
This seems to be an appropriate place to mention a Remmy forum... 1858 Remington (http://1858remington.com/discuss/)

Gambit88
February 10, 2011, 01:12 PM
Raises hand!!!:D OOO can I play too? My remmy I bought used about a year ago. It was between an 1860 colt and the remmy. Well the remmy was a bit cheaper. It took its place on my hip through all my reenacting events, from artilleryman to sheriff it did its job. Not a single misfire and I tend to put 60+ rounds through it at a time without a single seize up. So without anymore waiting here are some pictures.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/gambit814/civil%20war/100_1564.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/gambit814/civil%20war/100_1565.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/gambit814/civil%20war/100_1566.jpg

Gambit

And lastly one of me drawing it playing sheriff

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/gambit814/remmy.jpg

Olmontanaboy
February 10, 2011, 05:08 PM
I got a couple of them Rems, a 44 and a 36. How bout lettin me in the club:)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/filekeeper/percussion007.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/filekeeper/percussion005.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/filekeeper/percussion010.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/filekeeper/percussion014.jpg

dtvburns
February 10, 2011, 07:54 PM
Nice gun

nalioth
February 10, 2011, 08:00 PM
junkman cut this pic out of a pic with Colts in it for the other club then just discarded it as trash.Yeah, we've seen it (and the Colt repros) in post #23 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6987792&postcount=23) of this thread.

(you might want to ask the owner of the picture before reposting it)

dtvburns
February 10, 2011, 08:01 PM
Sorry I misunderstood a post in the Colt thread. I thought they where junkman's guns.

BHP FAN
February 12, 2011, 12:09 AM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/hut-man/1890_1.jpg

Hoof Hearted
February 12, 2011, 12:27 AM
Nice photo-engraved 1890!
And an earlier one with a brass triggerguard.

I just realized I don't have an 1890:cuss:

BHP FAN
February 12, 2011, 12:42 AM
I've got three 1890's and two '75's! I have a pair of 1890 .357's, supposedly owned by Maria Uberti... matched number .357's, one's stainless or in the white, and one's blued, which lends some credence to the story.The engraved pistola is a .45.

Cearbhall
February 17, 2011, 07:45 AM
I'm certainly no photographer, but let me in the club anyway. New .36 cal and .44 cal Piettas.

WALKERs210
February 17, 2011, 03:34 PM
This is one I picked up yesterday, was told before I got there it was Stainless, but still happy with it. I took it apart today for its first cleaning and again Lugi the nipple tightener at Pietta really torqued the heck out of them. The man I got it from received it as a gift from his son about 2 - 3 yrs ago and never fired it because he was scared of chain fire.

BHP FAN
February 17, 2011, 10:22 PM
Nice!I prefer the blue over the stainless, though I own both.

bwsmith2850
February 18, 2011, 12:20 AM
Do you have a 'family plan?'

136571

136572

136573

Remember, girls need little guns.

A Pietta .44 from Cabela's. Not only did my kids shoot it. I managed to get my brother, sister, and father-in-law to play along with a 30gr load. This is easily the most popular gun I have.

136596

chute2thrill
February 18, 2011, 01:47 AM
Mailman brought me this today!

45-70 Ranger
February 23, 2011, 11:26 AM
Been a while since we've had a message on the OTHRR1858C!!:eek:

Doing some extended testing with a new mould (Lee 450-200-1R) and different powders, I came to this discovery. My '58 Pietta, made in 1996, ate the conicals up and left the RB loads in the dust. I was surprised to say the least. However, using vol. eq. of 24 gr. of 777 at 25 yds printed a tight 2.5" group from a very solid rest on a calm afternoon. .454 Rb's printed about 4.5" at the same range and charge. :confused:

Upping the charge to 35 gr. by vol. was just enough to seat the conical w/o compression. It was a hoss as far as hitting the target, but opened up to 5". RB's with did about as well. But changing to Pyrodex (after a brief cleaning) and using the same 24 and 35 vol. charges gave me almost the same results but the rounds impacted about 2' lower than with the 777.

Good old BP was fun, but as with the Pyrodex, was low compared to the 777 loads. But all in all it was fun running the loads on my range and the woods were filled with smoke for an hour!

In conclussion, the .456-220-1R for the ROA would not chamber in my Remmy. But the 450 mikes out to .4515 as cast and was just right! With 24 gr. of 777 and two and a half inch group centered at 25.....ahhh, I think I like it! :D

Wade

Geneseo1911
February 23, 2011, 08:57 PM
WooHoo....I finally get to join! The big, brown truck brought this to me today!:
http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp538%3A7%3Enu%3D333%3A%3E%3A53%3E648%3EWSNRCG%3D363774%3A%3B55336nu0mrj
Yep complete run of the mill Pietta. I'm still excited about it! What's my number?!

black_powder_Rob
February 24, 2011, 12:30 AM
All right I get to join the club now, Here is a pic of "Pale Rider".http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=137018&d=1298521338


Man my phone does not do the gun justice, I will post another pic when I get some time with the wife's camera.

Geneseo1911
February 25, 2011, 05:28 PM
Roll Call!

STM hasn't been in around for a couple weeks, and I'm impatient, so I'll help him update the member list. Here we go:

#1 Shoot The Moon, #2 TomADC, #3 fogg64, #4 mykeal, #5 romel, #6 kwhi43, #7rdstrain49, #8 junkman_01, #9 AaronE, #10 jtscuba02, #11 Prairie Dawg, #12 Nalioth, #13 Mizar, #14 BHP FAN, #15 napp, #16 jaymo, #17 theotherwaldo, #18 berkley, #19 Oyeboten, #20 messerist, #21 missuramoss, #22 ojh, #23 txgunsuscg, #24 WALKERs210, #25 BConklin, #26 ClemBert, #27 Hellgate, #28 dtvburns, #29 Loosenock, #30 Ultravox, #31 Otony, #32 45-70 Ranger, #33 Tinpan, 58 #34 1858 Remington, #35 Smokepole14, #36 Howdy Doody, #37Craiso, #38 Phantom Captain, #39 The Black Spot, #40 Martysport, #41 Captain Redbeard, #42 Shanghai McCoy, #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!), #44 BlackPowderSmoke, #45 Pressure Cleaner, #46 Dudemeister, #47 RhinoDave, #48 Straight-Shooter, #49 Rem1858, #50 grimjaw, #51 TheBigAR2003, #52 Hoof Hearted, #53 kbbailey, #54 Bill Aikins, #55 voodoochile, #56 oam, #57 kameron1858, #58 GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL, #59 72coupe, #60 Gambit88, #61 Olmontanaboy, #62 Cearbhall, #63 bwsmith2850, #64 chute2thrill, #65 Geneseo1911, #66 black_powder_Rob


Keep 'em comin'!

SleazyRider
February 25, 2011, 05:48 PM
Standby ... you'll be adding SleazyRider to your roll call by next week!

Captain*kirk
February 27, 2011, 03:19 PM
I'm in.....'58 Remmie, Cal. .44, Armsport in stainless.
I love this gun!
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/Buellosaurusrex/Smokepoles/1858Rem.jpg

Dave Markowitz
February 27, 2011, 05:23 PM
My Euroarms:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c340/davemarkowitz/percussion_revolvers/EOA_1858_Left_1024x768.jpg

My Pietta:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c340/davemarkowitz/Pietta%201858%20Remington/Pietta_Target.jpg

I also have a Pietta in .36, but don't have any pictures of it.

Shoot The Moon
February 28, 2011, 05:47 PM
Hello folks - apologies I have been absent - work has been getting the better of me recently! Welcome to all those who have joined since my last visit and thanks to Geneseo1911 for updating on my behalf!

#1 Shoot The Moon, #2 TomADC, #3 fogg64, #4 mykeal, #5 romel, #6 kwhi43, #7rdstrain49, #8 junkman_01, #9 AaronE, #10 jtscuba02, #11 Prairie Dawg, #12 Nalioth, #13 Mizar, #14 BHP FAN, #15 napp, #16 jaymo, #17 theotherwaldo, #18 berkley, #19 Oyeboten, #20 messerist, #21 missuramoss, #22 ojh, #23 txgunsuscg, #24 WALKERs210, #25 BConklin, #26 ClemBert, #27 Hellgate, #28 dtvburns, #29 Loosenock, #30 Ultravox, #31 Otony, #32 45-70 Ranger, #33 Tinpan, 58 #34 1858 Remington, #35 Smokepole14, #36 Howdy Doody, #37Craiso, #38 Phantom Captain, #39 The Black Spot, #40 Martysport, #41 Captain Redbeard, #42 Shanghai McCoy, #43 GlennC22ndMVI (pending photo!), #44 BlackPowderSmoke, #45 Pressure Cleaner, #46 Dudemeister, #47 RhinoDave, #48 Straight-Shooter, #49 Rem1858, #50 grimjaw, #51 TheBigAR2003, #52 Hoof Hearted, #53 kbbailey, #54 Bill Aikins, #55 voodoochile, #56 oam, #57 kameron1858, #58 GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL, #59 72coupe, #60 Gambit88, #61 Olmontanaboy, #62 Cearbhall, #63 bwsmith2850, #64 chute2thrill, #65 Geneseo1911, #66 black_powder_Rob #67 Sleazy Rider #68 Captain*kirk #69 Dave Markowitz

By the way, I read the sad news this evening about Euroarms, although I am not clear if it's just the US arm of the company or the Italian company... It would be a real shame to lose a C&B manufacturer - there are a good few Euroarms replicas amongst our membership!

Shoot The Moon
February 28, 2011, 05:58 PM
Useful and interesting load data

Wade, thanks for posting this - it's very interesting information and timely for me as I am contemplating buying a mould (sorry.... mold!) for the Rem. After reading your post, I might just make it Conicals instead of RB.

Shoot The Moon
February 28, 2011, 06:08 PM
Do you have a 'family plan?'


bwsmith2850 'you and yours' are all most welcome!

My eldest daughter is a member at my gun club and has shot my '58 as well as both of my Colts.. I think she found the '49 pocket easiest to shoot but the grin from the .44 Rem was the biggest! :D

waynes_world
March 1, 2011, 03:40 PM
Good Morning guys, just thought i would join the club with my 1st BP.
it is a Remmy Old Army 1858. just got it today.

(hope this works)

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx18/waynes_world06/IMG_0295.jpg

Shoot The Moon
March 1, 2011, 04:43 PM
waynes_world, welcome - is your Remmie an original or a reproduction that's been aged?

waynes_world
March 1, 2011, 04:49 PM
i believe its original, it has a 4 digit serial number but doesnt have any other marks, not even on top of the barrell. weird.

junkman_01
March 1, 2011, 06:07 PM
Serial numbers by themselves don't mean a thing. All markings, evaluated together, is how a gun can be authenticated.

BHP FAN
March 1, 2011, 06:59 PM
Sounds more like it's been ''defarbed''. Original makers were proud of their product, and usually had the company name, and sometimes even the address on the barrel.

Shoot The Moon
March 1, 2011, 08:08 PM
I notice that the area of the frame where the barrel is threaded in is of the earlier design (think this is like the Remington Beals?) but the cylinder has the safety notches between chambers, which is a later feature. I really don't know enough about the history of the design to make an identification on the basis of this, but I believe the two features together are unusual. An expert will no doubt be along in a while to educate us all! :D

Do you have any close-up photos?

mykeal
March 1, 2011, 08:47 PM
This gun has been discussed on The Firing Line for the last couple of days. Before he received the gun Waynes World reported that he was told it carried the 1861 Remington Old Army barrel stamp; my evaluation included that as fact, something which has apparently not been realized. Here's my evaluation, originally posted on The Firing Line:
This gun has some contradictions.

There were 3 'large frame' Remington revolvers made before and during the Civil War:
1) the 1860 Remington-Beals Army Model Revolver, about 1,900 made in 1861.
2) the 1861 Remington Old Model Army Revolver, about 9,000 made in 1862 & 1863,
3) the 1863 Remington New Model Army Revolver, about 122,000 made in 1863 through 1875.

1. The serial number indicates it is an 1861 Remington Old Model Army, the second model of the 3. Further, from the number it would be an early manufacture of that model.

2. The stamp on the barrel also indicates it is an 1861 Remington Old Model Army. This is the only model that stamp appeared on.

3. The frame appears, from the photo, to be from the 1860 Remington-Beals Army Model, which was the first of the 3. The frame covers the barrel threads at the breech end. Correction of this defect was the main reason for changing to the Old Model Army. It's possible that, being an early manufacture Old Model, it was built with remaining frame stock from the earlier Beals design. However, I've never seen reference to such a transition model. This contradicts 1. and 2. above.

4. The loading lever does not appear (from the photo) to have the relief allowing the cylinder pin to be pulled out with the lever stowed. This was a feature of the 1861 Old Model Army design only. This contradicts 1. and 2. and supports 3. above.

5. The hammer notches on the cylinder were indeed introduced late in the manufacture of the 1861 Old Model and appeared on all the 1863 New Model guns. It's possible, in fact likely, the cylinder is not the one that came with the gun originally. This contradicts 1. and 3. above.

It must be remembered that armories mixed and matched parts in repairing guns throughout the war. I don't find it unusual that this gun appears to have features that appeared on different models. We tend to want to believe that every antique is as originally manufactured, an assumption that is far too often an unwarranted simplification.

I have one of the Euroarms replicas of the 1860 Remington-Beals Army Model Revolvers. It is a contradiction in itself, as it has the cylinder hammer notches of the later 1861 and 1863 models and is stamped 'New Model Army' on the barrel. The OP's gun does not match the Euroarms replica as regards the barrel annotation.
(Please excuse the erroneous date in the photo caption)
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Remington%20New%20Army/0043.jpg

BHP FAN
March 1, 2011, 09:02 PM
So , it may be original, but a mix-master? That would explain a lot..thanks for the insight, Mykeal.Makes sense, especially, as you said with a military arm.

SleazyRider
March 1, 2011, 09:05 PM
I'm hopin' to be a full-fledged member by Thursday, in fact, my heart pounds whenever I see a Big Brown Truck on the road.

In the meantime, I just ordered 5 pound of Goex black powder from Powder Inc. as follows (there's a 5-pound minimum): 2 pounds of FFF for my Remmy-yet-to-come; 2 pounds FF for my 30-year old TC Hawkin; and 1 pound of FFFF for a flintlock rifle that I hope to someday own. I can get Triple Seven locally, but it's nearly 40 bucks a pound when it's available, and it doesn't make a lot of smoke. The 5 pounds of REAL black powder came to $109.00 with shipping and HazMat fees---about half the price.

I can't wait to see the look on my wife's face tonight when I tell her how much money I saved her! :D

Maybe I'll tell her tomorrow. Or Friday.

BHP FAN
March 1, 2011, 09:08 PM
I don't believe I'd mention it.

waynes_world
March 1, 2011, 09:20 PM
thank you for your opinions. im still just confused.

should all the serials match if it is original?

there is a 3digit serial number 889 under the barrell and under the left handle plate but the serial on the bottom of the gun is a 4digit number.

also, there is NO legend on top of the barrell. the numbers described above are the only markings on this gun.

mykeal
March 1, 2011, 09:50 PM
should all the serials match if it is original?
Not necessarily, especially considering the mixed configuration. The mis-match of serial numbers reinforces my opinion that it's possibly original put together in a field armory from parts of different guns. That was not an unusual situation. Putting together a gun with mis-matched serial numbers and parts from different models is not something someone would do if they were attempting to defarb a replica and pass it off as an original.

there is NO legend on top of the barrell.
That's unfortunate. The armory parts gun theory is still viable as spare parts barrels would not necessarily have factory stamps on them, especially those that could be interchanged across model lines. But at this point your gun's configuration closely resembles the early Euroarms replica of the 1860 Remington-Beals Army Revolver that I have. Everything except the Euroarms stamps on the barrel, which would be the first thing a defarber would remove.

So, one of two possibilities: a defarbed early Euroarms 1860 Remington-Beals Army Model revolver replica, or an original built from parts of several guns as was often done in a contemporary armory. The mis-matched serial numbers make me lean slightly towards the latter as a counterfeiter could reasonably be expected to make them match.

waynes_world
March 1, 2011, 10:34 PM
thanks you so much, i appreciate, ya i kinda figured if someone was going to try and make it as real as possible, they wouldnt do it half aced.

Captain*kirk
March 2, 2011, 12:26 AM
I bought a 2nd Dragoon 3 weeks ago and STILL haven't mentioned it.

BHP FAN
March 2, 2011, 01:18 AM
''I bought a 2nd Dragoon 3 weeks ago and STILL haven't mentioned it...''
that's why I like sixguns, 1911's and BHP's! If the redhead knew how many I had of each, I'd be a dead man! She thinks I only have three handguns, LOL!

Hellgate
March 2, 2011, 03:46 AM
One way to tell is to look at the pitch of the screws. Italian repros have metric threads as opposed to standard threads.

45-70 Ranger
March 2, 2011, 02:07 PM
When you buy a new gun, keep it hidden for a week or two. (I know that is hard to do as you want to shoot the thing right away). After a bit, let the weapon be seen in passing with other weapons of similar type. i.e. pistols with your new pistol.....

When your wife finally asks the question "When did you get this one?" you can honestly say "This one? Oh, I've had that one for a while. Guess you just never seen it." In this manner, you can get a new weapon. Get to keep the new weapon. And not be lying to your wife!:D

Lesson #4 of: Wades methods of getting new guns and not getting the wife all mad at ya! Why is this Lesson #4? Because the first three didn't work:what::what: Trial and error at it's finest!

Wade

junkman_01
March 2, 2011, 02:29 PM
Good one Wade! :D:D:D

SleazyRider
March 2, 2011, 02:38 PM
You might be on to something 45-70 Ranger, but I wish you had posted that a few days earlier. When I informed my wife about my recent "investments," there was silence, followed by some mumbling about groceries, the price of heating oil, and her mom's operation. I took it to mean that she was very pleased with my frugality. The way I figger' it, most Americans can stand to lose a few pounds if we're to believe statistics, I can always cut and split more firewood, and her mom's had that wart on the end of her nose for decades.
:)

BHP FAN
March 2, 2011, 02:44 PM
I've used Wade's tactic for decades, only I call it ''what, this old thing''?

Berkley
March 2, 2011, 02:54 PM
After a bit, let the weapon be seen in passing with other weapons of similar type. i.e. pistols with your new pistol.....
That brings up another important point to remember - the concept of "critical mass". It works like this: if you add one gun to an existing gun, the size of your gun collection has just doubled, and it is obvious even to those who are not gun collectors. If you add a third gun, still a pretty big addition, and pretty high visibility. But at some point, the number of guns becomes large enough that another addition becomes virtually invisible to the non-gun-collecting eye. This point is critical mass.
That's why the more you have, the more you can get away with.:D

Hellgate
March 2, 2011, 03:14 PM
My breakthrough came a few years back when my wife badly wanted to get an expensive THIRD SEWING MACHINE for her quilting hobby. I said "OK, but I don't want to hear any hassel if I want to get another gun once in a while." She wanted that sewing machine so bad she'da agreed to anything. Since then it's been just fine. Currently have 16 C&Bs, have had up to 20 at one time and have owned/bought/sold 34 over the years.

BHP FAN
March 2, 2011, 04:42 PM
Wow, you really are ''the Imelda Marcos of Cap & Ball
revolvers!

SleazyRider
March 3, 2011, 04:52 PM
Ahhh ... the Big Brown Truck of Happiness has just pulled from my driveway, leaving behind this little baby:

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/Magnageek/Remingtom1858005.jpg

I guess that makes me an official member. The BBTof H should be bringing my black powder stockpile tomorrow or the next day, but since I'm a resident of the Evil Empire State and cannot be trusted with firearms, I have to register this gun and put in on my CCW permit before I can shoot it, or even have the ingredients to shoot it, or face a long jail sentence if I fail to do so. This will prevent me from robbing my local convenience store at gunpoint should I have the inclination. Gawd, I love New York! :barf:

rdstrain49
March 3, 2011, 07:47 PM
Easy solutions 1 become Governor, 2 move to a free state. Now go make smoke:)

Geneseo1911
March 3, 2011, 08:37 PM
That is a very nice photo SR. I must admit to being quite jealous of your revolver, also. I was in such a hurry that I didn't even notice the case hardened checkered grip model when I ordered. It looks a lot nicer in your photo than it does on the website, as well. I'm shocked you have to register a BP gun, though. Of course, who has seen a gang banger sticking somebody up with a Colt's Dragoon...

I got to shoot mine for the first time today......I'm hooked. The softer recoil and report amazed me, even with near maximum loads. Mrs. Geneseo was also impressed.

SleazyRider
March 3, 2011, 09:07 PM
It is I who am jealous, Geneseo1911, as I won't be able to shoot mine for weeks to come! Now you've really whetted my appetite!

BHP FAN
March 3, 2011, 10:20 PM
I know the color cased/checkered model isn't ''historical'', but it is easily the handsomest Remington they make. If they didn't make 'em then, they should've ... NICE!

Captain*kirk
March 4, 2011, 01:05 AM
Aw, shucks....I ain't worried. She has no idea how many guns I have. As long as one of my kids don't blow my cover, I'm good. Which is why I haven't told any of 'em yet (They're all grown and out of the house).
So when I do show 'em I can say, "Aw this? I've had it a while now."
I just have to make sure she doesn't find the empty box (I hid it under the sofa):what:

And BTW...what do we get to do in this club, anyway? Are there snacks?

dtvburns
March 4, 2011, 10:36 AM
I bought the case hardened (colored) 1858 too. I know it is not authentic to the era but neither am I.

I live in Western NY moved here a few years ago. The pistol laws here are..... whacked.

Geneseo1911
March 4, 2011, 10:58 AM
The way I see it, just because Remington may not have produced a gun that looked like that, that doesn't mean it didn't exist. The ability to case harden and checker were obviously available at the time, so who's to say somebody didn't pretty one up?

Shoot The Moon
March 4, 2011, 11:40 AM
And BTW...what do we get to do in this club, anyway? Are there snacks?

Well, since you mentioned it..... no snacks. (sorry!)

But it's a good question - we should maybe have something more to 'the club' than just showing off our Remingtons and passing time? How about a target match? Nothing too demanding (gives me a better chance!) but maybe have a monthly comp with the target posted up here for you to print?

What do you think, team Remington?

SleazyRider
March 4, 2011, 12:26 PM
Bring it!

arcticap
March 4, 2011, 02:04 PM
What do you think, team Remington?

And forget the names of the actual manufacturers?
Remington used to make 1858's but now they only make percussion caps! :D

Shoot The Moon
March 4, 2011, 02:26 PM
And forget the names of the actual manufacturers?
Remington used to make 1858's but now they only make percussion caps! :D
Sorry Arcticap, bad choice of words.... not what I meant... I was referring to all of us here - ie the members of the THR 'Remmie' club. My idea for the match is for us to shoot the same target at the same distance and post our results up here. Don't want to be separating those of us with Piettas from those with Ubertis and those with Euroarms. (nor those lucky enough to have originals!)

BTW, did Remington stop making rifles? I thought the 700 was one of the most popular bolt actions there is? Maybe you were only kiddin' ;)

rdstrain49
March 4, 2011, 09:41 PM
If we all shoot the same target, won't it be full of holes by the time the last guy shoots:confused:

mykeal
March 4, 2011, 09:45 PM
How about this:

A two part postal match, open to members of the THR Remington 1858 Club.

Two targets, one at 25 yards and one at 10 yards.

The target is a plain white piece of 8 1/2" X 11" . It can be marked with an aim point of any design (dot, X, square, triangle, whatever) at any location on the paper.

5 rounds at each target; more than 5 holes disqualifies the target. Any less than 5 and the missing rounds will be scored as if they were at the furthest edge from the center of the target.

Any Remington design percussion revolver, any caliber, open iron sights only (adjustable sights ok, no shaders, no peeps, no scopes, no fiber optics). The same pistol must be used for both targets.

All decisions of the judge are final.

Part 1, 10 yards:

Offhand stance, one hand hold, free hand must not touch the firearm, or anywhere on the shooting arm below the shoulder.

The target will be scored by adding the 5 shot group size in inches to the distance of the center of the group from the center of the piece of paper in inches. The judge will determine the center of the page in order to score the target. The center of the holes will be used to determine the group center.

Mark the target with the shooter's THR alias (screen name) and the words Part One Target.

Part two, 25 yards:

Offhand standing, one or two hand hold, no artificial support other than the off hand.

The target will be scored by adding the distances of the center of each of the 5 holes from the center of the target.

Mark the target with the shooter's THR alias (screen name) and the words Part Two Target.

A third score will be computed by adding the scores on the Part One and Part Two targets.

Mutilated targets will be disqualified.

There are no prizes. The scores will be posted with the shooter's THR alias in the THR Remington 1858 Club thread one week after the match closes.

The match will close on 30 April 3011.

Mail the targets to arrive before the match closing date at a post office box that will be posted in the THR Remington 1858 Club thread in one week. Targets that arrive at the post office box after 5 pm 30 April 2011 will not be counted.

Targets will not be returned.

black_powder_Rob
March 4, 2011, 10:40 PM
wow mykeal you really thought that out. I like it and I am definatly in on this one. :D

Captain*kirk
March 4, 2011, 10:42 PM
"The match will close on 30 April 3011."

Dunno 'bout you, Mykeal, but I probably won't be around for the final scoring on that one.:rolleyes:
How 'bout we make it 2011 instead?:cool:

But I say April 30 is way too early. Hell, my BP range doesn't even open for the season until May 1st...weather permitting...(yeah, we all know how THAT goes!)
What say we make it by July 15th?
Everything else sounded good.
One other thing...since the winner gets the honors, I say we make him (or her) buy the snacks!:D

mykeal
March 5, 2011, 09:25 AM
Geez. I give the guy a thousand years to take his shots and he moves it back to this year and then says he can't do that because the range isn't open in time.:banghead:

If you can't get to the range, just set up your targets in the living room. If you need more room to get to 25 yards, count the ricochet distance.:scrutiny:

Here's what we'll do -

Move the end date back to 30 April 2011 instead of 3011 (that way I get to act like it wasn't a typo:p).

Start another match to end on Memorial Day (May 30). Targets received at the post office box after 5 pm on 30 April will be automatically entered in the May match. To allow you to shoot the match on Memorial Day and still get the targets to me I'll change the rule (for the May match entries only): envelopes postmarked after 1 June 2011 will not be scored.

One set of targets per person per match. If you send in more than one set before 30 April, the second set will be automatically entered in the May contest. If I receive more than one set after 30 April, I'll count the higher score and discard the lower one.

rdstrain49
March 5, 2011, 11:23 AM
Captain Kirk

You'd be more than welcome to use my range. Be advised, there has been a LOT of snow since this pic. May need snow shoes by now.:)


http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad281/rdstrain49/IMG_0338.jpg

Mizar
March 5, 2011, 11:23 AM
Mykeal, this Postal Match is a great idea - I like it!

Boris

P.S. Although the 25 yard target is quite small for my shooting abilities...:o

Shoot The Moon
March 5, 2011, 04:58 PM
Mykeal, thankyou very much for your suggestion - perfect.

I think your suggestion is excellent and I propose you as judge! (I'd do it but most of you would have to post your targets airmail - this way only a couple of us do) - d'ya mind?

:D

mykeal
March 5, 2011, 06:21 PM
I assumed I'd be the judge when I proposed the match. I'll have a post office box next week to post the targets to. Watch this space.

PS as the judge I will not participate for score. However, I may shoot a round just to set the bar high...:neener:

7mmstalker
March 8, 2011, 01:51 AM
Been wanting a cap and ball pistol for a long time. After much waiting and looking for a great deal, the patience paid off. Lucky for me the shop is holding it for a few days while I gather up all my change from couch cushions, car ashtrays, and old work pants! My gun funds took a beating during slow work times of winter. Anyhoo, work is finally picking up- and spare dollars for lead, powder, and a shiny stainless 7-1/2 pistol are showing up as well.
It's a plain-jane Pietta other than that, though a set of ivory or antler grips will be added sometime soon.
I've read about using conical bullets and would like to try them. Not having any luck finding them though. Are guys using slugs made for 45 Colt loads? Maybe I'm missing some thing here, does anybody make bullets like a minie ball or is that a no-go for revolvers?
Will post a pic and make a fomal membership request as soon as it comes to its new home.

Oyeboten
March 8, 2011, 07:35 AM
Hi 7mmstalker,


Initially, just elect a Ball size which makes a thin little 'ring' of cut-off, when it is rammed Home. The Ball ought to have a good snug fit to the Cylinder Bore, and, that is the best way of seeing to it that it does.

At your liesure, see if you can measure the diameter of your Cylinder Bores, and, the major diameter of your Barrel ID.

Assuming those two get along, that then will determine what size Bullets as such, you could use, far as using Bullets usually found in .45 Colt Cartridge contexts.

Usually one's choice is also bound to regard the Bullet length, since most Cap & Ball revolvers will not admit anything other than a fairly stubby Bullet to be loaded, unless one dismount the Cylinder, and, Load with the use of a Loading Jig...or, one can remove Metal from the Revolver Frame, to allow longer Bullets to be loaded normally.

mykeal
March 8, 2011, 03:53 PM
Entries for the Official THR Remington 1858 Club Postal Match should be mailed to:

THR Contest
P.O. Box 6
National City, MI 48748-0006

Yep. That's box #6, last one on the right, top row. We'll keep the light on.

Norton Commando
March 8, 2011, 07:34 PM
Ok, you've got my attention! Now, how do I post a picture of my Remington? I assume you can't enter the shooting contest unless you're a member, and you can't be a member without posting a picture???

Norton Commando
March 8, 2011, 08:07 PM
<a href="http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/jason_curtiss/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_2013.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/jason_curtiss/IMG_2013.jpg" border="0" alt="44 Remignton across Holster"></a>

I think I've figured out how to post an image; so can I join the Remington Club?

Norton Commando
March 8, 2011, 08:11 PM
http://http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/jason_curtiss/IMG_2013.jpg

Well heck, I guess I don't know how to post a picture.

Norton Commando
March 8, 2011, 08:25 PM
Ok, I think I've got it now.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/jason_curtiss/IMG_2009.jpg

Oyeboten
March 8, 2011, 08:37 PM
Okay, I will join in too...


Next trip to the Range, Mr. Remington comes with...and Targets too, Target stew...

M2HB M240
March 8, 2011, 11:22 PM
Made in 1863.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/M2HB/2008895.jpg

Oyeboten
March 9, 2011, 12:14 AM
http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/46436/2279065520067835264S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2279065520067835264nCRFCA)


Rather a similar look!


Mine is a 'Uberti' though, and, some sort of Megnetic Stainless.

Very nice shooter.

mykeal
March 9, 2011, 12:17 AM
Geez. Now I'm going to have to get out my smallest caliper set to measure the group sizes....where did I put that microscope?

kbbailey
March 9, 2011, 12:29 AM
We should then challenge the "Walker Club" to a match.

BCRider
March 9, 2011, 12:39 AM
I've been looking for an excuse to get out and shoot some BP. What a great idea to have a postal match. Who cares what the results are. It's a great idea to get us out shooting and have some fun bragging rights.... :D

And thanks to you mykeal for taking on the task of hosting it.

BCRider
March 9, 2011, 12:45 AM
Oops! I didn't realize that this is a fairly new thread. So I'll have to post up my picture to prove I'm worthy.

Here's a family portrait of my two consecutive serial number Ubertis along with Jr, the NAA "The Earl".

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/BCRider/Gun%20pictures/Family.jpg

And here I am rarin' to go and trying to look mean. Clint Eastwood I'm definetly not :D

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/BCRider/Gun%20pictures/Remingtons1.jpg

kbbailey
March 9, 2011, 12:46 AM
Well said BCRider.....

A big thanks to mykeal

Oyeboten
March 9, 2011, 01:20 AM
Geez. Now I'm going to have to get out my smallest caliper set to measure the group sizes....where did I put that microscope?


Just put 'em all through the same hole...a lot easier that way, no measurin'..!

bill97222
March 9, 2011, 02:09 AM
New Pietta target sights model from Cabela's.

One ragged 1" hole shooting six 454 ball's over a 380 case of cream of wheat on 30 grains of 777 at 10 yds... clearly the class of the field in terms of accuracy in my Cap and Ball stable so far.

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n510/bill97222/PICT0493.jpg

I was surprised and pleased with the grips too... Nice looking wood for a low priced pistol in my opinion.

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n510/bill97222/PICT0490.jpg

Count me in.

BHP FAN
March 9, 2011, 10:09 PM
That is a nice set of grips. Nice Pietta.

Captain*kirk
March 9, 2011, 10:50 PM
Hell, if that paper plate group is for real, why don't we just give you the trophy and save a stamp or two?

junkman_01
March 9, 2011, 10:57 PM
If you will note the distance....10 yards. A target sighted gun can be expected to shoot that way at 10 yards!

mykeal
March 10, 2011, 12:36 AM
Small group, but long ways to the center of the target. Both count.

alienbogey
March 10, 2011, 08:21 PM
Can I join?


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/alienbogey/158RemSnubRight.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/alienbogey/1858RemSnubLeft.jpg

SleazyRider
March 10, 2011, 09:12 PM
The match will close on 30 April 3011.

I hope it will stop raining by then.

bill97222
March 11, 2011, 12:17 AM
Regarding that paper plate group I posted... I wouldn't get too worried about me dominating any competitions for a while.

That group was shot two handed, supporting my forearms on a tripod.

Also, as noted on the target, the temperature was 20 degrees fahrenheit... awfully cold, and almost certainly unattainable again this year around Portland Oregon.

It was my first trial putting that gun on paper... but it was shot with a pretty heavy load, 30 grains of 777... almost certainly not the load I would need to find to put down that sort of groups at a more typical temperature.

The fact that the group isn't particularly near the center is totally irrelevant... I only started seriously trying to learn to shoot a pistol last summer and I have made the decision not to adjust any of the sights on my guns until I have put in enough range time to smooth out my technique.

I suffer mildly from the high and lefts... but my typical groupings with my other guns are slowly coming onto my point of aim as I practice.

I'm trying to avoid the problem I developed in golf many years ago. I sliced the ball... and the more I tried to correct for the slice... the worse it got. The only reliable solution I've ever found to cure a slice... Aim into the woods on the right... ha... ha... ha... works every time.

So rather than move my sights to compensate for my bad trigger control and grip habits... I'm working on refining my shooting technique.


T

chute2thrill
March 11, 2011, 01:00 AM
bill9722 and I thought my factory Pietta grips were nice! beautiful grain on yours!! Alienbogey do tell on yours.. never seen one that short..

45-70 Ranger
March 11, 2011, 11:34 AM
alienbogey,

That sure is a stubby little cannon you've got there!:eek:
Bet it barks real good!!:D

As to shooting in the postal, my old Remmy is ok, but I still don't shoot it enough to even think of competition with it. I just shoot coyotes;)

Wade

alienbogey
March 11, 2011, 01:14 PM
I bought the snub from a guy who had it cut down and the barrel crowned and a dovetailed front sight installed - somebody did a nice job. As you can see it has an R&D 45 Colt cylinder and I got a C&B cylinder for it as well. As you can't see the cylinder pin is held in place by a screw from underneath.

It's a project gun - I have a few ideas for it, such as obtaining a loading lever and cutting and shaping it so that it makes a snubby 'web' underneath while retaining the cylinder pin, maybe going to a Kirst cylinder with loading gate, new grips at some point, and maybe even a custom holster for carry. We'll see.

Oh yeah, it's fun to shoot, too. :D

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