What to get for IPSC matches?


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TH3180
January 8, 2011, 10:10 PM
I shot in my 1st match Thursday night. These guys put on a match every other Thursday at the indoor range during the winter. It is not a sanctioned event but they use there rules as a guide line. I shot the only center fire pistol I own a G17 RTF2. I have been saving my pennies to get a new pistol by summer. I want to get something just for range shooting, not carry or anything like that. I had so much fun I am going to try and make every match for the rest of the winter and make enough next year to be eligible for trophy night. I want to stay in what they call production class, here are the rules. No Single Action only, no optical sights, no compensators/ported barrels and only 10 rounds in the magazine. I want to stay with 9mm, because that is what I am setup to reload for. So what do you think folks? With those rules in mind, what pistols should I look into? Any help you folks can give me would be great.

Thanks,
Tim

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Sam1911
January 8, 2011, 10:24 PM
If I were you, I'd go look for a G17 with the new RTF2 finish... oh, wait. That's what you have.

Why do you want another pistol that is just as perfectly suited to the task at hand as the one you already own? ;)

You could look at an S&W M&P or Springfield xD, or quite a few other designs that would work just as well ... as what you already have.

Of course, if you want a new gun, that's fine. But you certainly don't need one.

TH3180
January 8, 2011, 10:31 PM
If I were you, I'd go look for a G17 with the new RTF2 finish... oh, wait. That's what you have.

Why do you want another pistol that is just as perfectly suited to the task at hand as the one you already own? ;)

You could look at an S&W M&P or Springfield xD, or quite a few other designs that would work just as well ... as what you already have.

Of course, if you want a new gun, that's fine. But you certainly don't need one.
Really? I just kind of figured there had to be something better out there for this style of shooting. Intresting, I guess that's not the response I thought I would get. Now I really do have a lot to think about. I still plan on getting another gun this spring but maybe I will go in a different direction on what to get.

Sam1911
January 8, 2011, 10:46 PM
There are lots of guns that fit in the "Production" class rules. There are some guns that seem to give you the most advantage, and they are generally the polymer framed, striker fired types. The Glock is probably just about the most popular, and it has tons of support, aftermarket parts & upgrades, etc.

I'd probably save my money for a gun to play in a different class if you want, but that's just my approach. You could always buy an M&P or something else good for Production just to see if you find you can shoot it better/faster.

Or just run what you've got. You'll never be "outgunned" with the Glock. Chances are, the guy who beats you is shooting one too ... and so is the guy you beat! :)

pikid89
January 8, 2011, 10:49 PM
sell the 17, get a g26 and a g34, that way you can carry and compete and only buy one magazine

OR

hang onto the 17 and either buy a ton of ammo or buy a progressive press so you can really crank out the bullets

David E
January 9, 2011, 04:37 AM
Keep the 17, buy more ammo/components and shoot more!

Maybe take a class with the money you save by not buying an unnecessary gun.

g.willikers
January 9, 2011, 06:27 PM
Forget buying stuff.
Practice and shoot just what you already have.
It's plenty good.
Doesn't the guy who wins big matches all the time use what you have?

TH3180
January 9, 2011, 06:56 PM
Forget buying stuff.
Practice and shoot just what you already have.
It's plenty good.
Doesn't the guy who wins big matches all the time use what you have?
Who is that? This is all new to me.

ny32182
January 9, 2011, 07:50 PM
If the current national champ is Dave Sevigny (either is, or was, or will be... probably all three) he shoots a G34 which is only VERY marginally better for competition than a G17.

chbrow10
January 10, 2011, 12:15 AM
I have competed in IPCS (USPSA) matches since 2008. I highly recommend that you DO NOT buy a new gun just to compete. The G17 is a perfect platform to get started on in production. Someone mentioned buying a progressive press, that is a great idea too. My oldest son competes with a G34, which is a G17 frame with a slighly longer barrel and slide.

Get a good competiton holster, like a Bladetech dropped and offset, some more mags, and a CR speed belt if you need to, but your G17 is perfect for what you are doing.

TH3180
January 10, 2011, 12:39 AM
I have a Blackhawk holster and mag holders. That I got locally from a guy at a really good deal. I have 5 mags. I want to get a good belt but for now I am just using the belt that holds up my pants.

twofifty
January 10, 2011, 07:45 PM
Your G17 will be just fine for Production division in IPSC / USPSA. A kydex holster & very stiff competition belt, plus mag holders are pretty well all you need. Gear made by Blade-Tech, CR-Speed & others will be very helpful and will add to your pleasure and safety.

To get good and place decently, what you really want to spend your money on is ammunition, lots of it. A well thought out regular pratice regimen is very useful. Also spend time going to as many formal matches and club practices as you can afford.

You will soon realize that though shooting accuracy and speed is very important, what is just as important is figuring out how to move/run through the 6 to 9 stages that make up a match. In these games, with a reliable HG such as your G17, strategy is everything.

Bottom line is that getting good takes time, not expensive gear.

edit: 5 mags is great! suggest you get a competition double belt such as made by CR-Speed or Double-Alpha, provided your holster and mag pouches fit on it.

Six
January 10, 2011, 09:57 PM
Another USPSA/IDPA shooter here in support of keeping the G17. Though consider adding upgraded sights, a trigger job, and a good holster.

The only step up is to get a G34, M&P Pro, or XD Tactical which would add another inch of sight radius. That inch helps, won't make or break your match.

Go shoot, shoot lots, talk to people, try different guns. If you want something different, that's fine, get what makes you happy, but you don't need it.

TH3180
January 10, 2011, 10:13 PM
I never thought when I made the OP I would be told don't go buy another gun what you have is just fine. I thought I would get a lot of buy this, no no no you need to buy this one. Right now I think I am set on a holster and mag holders with my Blackhawk stuff. I am trying to reload twice as much as I shoot each month. I have about 3000 worth of bullets and primers waiting to go in cases that I have many more of. I think I need to start looking at belts. Problem is I will probably get one for my birthday in March and the matches are over in April but at least I will have one for next winter and the steel shoots I want to try this summer. Thank you everyone for your advice. By no means am I posting this to put a stop to this thread. Keep the ideas coming this is all very new to me and I am having a ton of fun so far. I can't wait until a week from Thursday when the next match is.

mattlove444
January 10, 2011, 10:32 PM
I'm with everyone else here. Stick with what you have. Just get really good with it. If you get really good with your current setup, then a change in gear won't make that much of a difference along down the road

Promod1385
January 14, 2011, 12:09 PM
Hello Tim

Where in MN are you shooting an indoor IPSC match? I only know of the indoor IDPA mathes held at Bills. I am a long time shooter looking to get into IPSC and have no desire to shoot IPDA, any info would be greatly appreciated.

TH3180
January 14, 2011, 06:44 PM
Hello Tim

Where in MN are you shooting an indoor IPSC match? I only know of the indoor IDPA mathes held at Bills. I am a long time shooter looking to get into IPSC and have no desire to shoot IPDA, any info would be greatly appreciated.
PM incoming because I don't like to post other forums on forums.

71Commander
January 18, 2011, 09:58 AM
but for now I am just using the belt that holds up my pants.

Take some money and buy a belt. Either a CR Speed, a 5 stitch instructor belt or a leather belt made for carrying a gun. A belt just to hold up your britches ain't gonna cut it.

Jed Carter
January 21, 2011, 09:09 PM
I started with a G34, still use it from time to time, it is that much better of a shooter than the G17 in my experience. I recently (September) got an STI Trojan 9mm 1911, wow what a pistol for IPSC, my reloads were slow but practice and a magwell helped. You could keep the G17 and upgrade the sights, Glock sights are less than great. A trigger upgrade is a good idea for a G17/34 tooo much reset but my Trojan has one sweet trigger, right from thr box. i recently had an opportunity to shoot a CZ SP01 that came frome the Cz Custom Shop best DA trigger ever, and about 1/8" of reset in SA, wow! I would vote get a 1911, a Trojan can be had for less than $1050 with a fiber optic front sight.

mbruce
January 22, 2011, 04:33 PM
if you just insist -- which is perfectly fine -- then buy a g35 or a S&W MP Pro 5" .40 cal. Then buy the 9mm conversion barrel. Yes the rule book worms will be typing in all caps here in the thread but odds are people won't notice, people won't care, and you will not gain any competitive edge. The beauty of the conversion platform is if "shtf" then you got 2 of the most popular calibers available... you can buy .40cal/9mm ammo anywhere --- I know, I know -- this is the competition shooting forum -- but why not have both a competition gun and a 2 caliber pistol that can be used if things got serious.

just my 2 cents...wait ..4 cents... I mentioned a gun that is 2 calibers.

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