Kel-Tec sub2000 durabiltiy


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BIG45-70
January 8, 2011, 10:40 PM
Just wondering what kind of round counts everyone has out of their sub 2000s and how they hold up. Do they have sufficient durability for a shtf firearm?

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easy
January 9, 2011, 02:42 AM
Ask at KTOG - http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl

wnycollector
January 9, 2011, 06:48 AM
I have ~2000 rounds through mine. As far as SHTF, I would be grabbing one of my AK's or AR-15's and the not the sub2k. The sub2k is a fun range gun. It is reliable and accurate out to 75 yards, but I personally don't think it is durable enough. I have had the front sight break in three pieces, plus the small metal shroud that armors the ejection port popped off. KT sent replacement parts for free no questions asked, but if it was a real SHTF scenario...I would be left with a rifle w/o a front sight:(

Girodin
January 9, 2011, 07:05 AM
The front sight post is a relatively fragile part. It can be replaced metal if one so desires. SHTF is too vague a term to really be able to say. Everyone has their own ideas of what that consists of and what might be required.

I think Suarez is going to be doing some PCC training courses and I am sure sub 2ks will be used by more than a few shooters in them. I'm eager to see how they fair.

bigfatdave
January 9, 2011, 10:12 AM
I worry about that front sight too, but I've run >250 rounds through my sub2000 in a session and it only needed the feed-ramp wiped off (finger, nothing fancy) a few times, it runs dirty just fine with cheap steel-case ammo and Glock mags (the Korean mags were another story, I should tear them down and de-burr them before pointing the finger of accusation, though)

I don't know, while I'd grab my M1 carbine for a real SHTF type event, I'd probably toss the sub2000 in the bag with some mags and some ammo too ... it doesn't weigh anything and I think having a PCC is a good thing.

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Girodin, got a source for that better front sight?

X-Rap
January 9, 2011, 09:25 PM
I have one to match a few of my Glocks in 9&40, my thought is they might be a better compainion for the pistol in a more non permissive enviornment if a gun was needed to be carried in a backpack or something like that. I have some of the very high cap mags as well.
As for durability, mine partner with what might be one of the most durable pistols made so if sub2000 fails the pistol will live on.

evan price
January 9, 2011, 11:58 PM
The advantage of the Sub-2000 that made it a must-buy for me was that I can tote around a scoped carbine in a medium-small gym bag that takes 30 round mags.

SHTF is really a silly concept anyway when you think about it. Nobody is planning on storming the Starbucks or repelling a Nazi horde from the mall.

Would the KT survive in a warfare environment like, for example, storming the beaches of Normandy? I'd think a Thompson or Grease Gun or something like that would be a better choice for a PCC in those conditions.

epijunkie67
January 10, 2011, 12:08 AM
If the SHTF I'd much rather have a rifle that uses a real rifle round. However, if you are really wanting a pistol caliber rifle than you might want to consider a Hi Point.
http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/carbines/carbines_4095TS.html

You can get them in 9mm, .40, and .45. They are cheap, accurate, reliable as a brick, and have a nice sight picture. I own the 9mm version and can't really complain about it. Their only real drawback is magazine size but it's a small complaint at most.

A more expensive but still reasonable option would be a marlin lever action in .357. I also own one of these and LOVE it. Accurate, light, fun, and not crazy expensive. Even better, the .357 out of the longer barrel really performs well and has the same amount of energy at 100 yards as it would at point blank range coming out of a 6" barreled pistol. So if you'd be willing to shoot something two feet in front of you with a .357 mag pistol, you can get the same effect at 100 yards with the rifle. The downside is it's not semi-auto but it makes up for that by letting you keep the magazine topped off while shooting.

Art Eatman
January 10, 2011, 01:46 AM
Title edited to reflect reality. See second sentence, Post #7.

FSJeeper
January 10, 2011, 08:28 AM
I have a Sub 2000 that I have been wringing out now for a while. I bought it used and have no idea what the round count was before I got it. I have put a few thousand rounds through it myself.

The only issue I have with it is that it jams occasionally and it gets dirty fast.
Other than that it is a very fun plinker and the foldup, light weight design is excellent.

It would not be my choice for an emergency at this time but there are a ton of mods that can be done to solve it's issues which I plan on doing. These include trigger work, ramp work, and a thourough smoothing out of the key parts, AK front sight swap, steel replacement rear peep and a swing away Red Dot sight. I am also going to convert it for Sig 226 mags.

One thing that I noticed is that the higher the round count, the less propensisty to jam so I guess these need a break in period for things to settle in.

Kwanger
January 10, 2011, 01:03 PM
I have in the region of 4,000 rounds through my Sub 2k (9mm Glock mag variant). All sorts of ammo from Nato surplus through Winchester White box through Brown Bear. It runs like a top and is as accurate as any other 9mm carbine out there, i.e. it is realistically useful inside of 100 yards.

Had a couple of minor things with it such as pin retaining clips pinging off and being lost - didn't affect function at all and Kel Tec quickly sent free replacements.

To echo the post above, these things just seem to get smoother as time goes by. The only stoppages I had with mine were within the first 500 rounds or so. A great little shooter IMO; if you have one of the pistols it takes magazines for, that's a real great bonus.

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