Under $300 pump gun?


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Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 02:17 AM
Hi I just turned 18 a couple months back and I'm looking to get a shotgun as my first firearm. But I don't really have a lot of money. Any recommendations?

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Alec
January 9, 2011, 02:23 AM
What's its purpose?

Without knowing what you'll be using it for, or if it will be for all-around use (clays, home defense, wingshooting, turkey...), I will recommend a Mossberg 500 series or Remington 870 Express. Either can be had for less than $300; I found my Mossberg 500A 12ga for $150 used. It looks like it was barely fired.

I'd say a 23" barrel for all-around use.

KyCountry
January 9, 2011, 02:33 AM
Remington 870.. No questions asked. Regardless of what you are using it for, a barrel decision is all you will need and you're in business.

I remember a few years ago on a duck hunt in Oklahoma, I dropped my 870 in the pond while setting decoys. After 5 or 6 minutes I found it 2 foot under water and buried in the mud. As soon as I picked it up, a double flew right over us and sure enough, she fired and dropped one. After that, I swore on the thing. It's never let me down.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 02:35 AM
Its mostly for home defense. My parents are crazy anti gun nut jobs and there have been increasing crime rates in my city.

ohgrady
January 9, 2011, 02:54 AM
The Walmart in south St. Louis county had a couple Mossberg 500s for $217 tonight. Mavericks were cheaper yet.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 03:13 AM
Walmart sells guns? I live in California and I have NEVER seen them sell guns. Most don't even sell ammo. I'm beginning to think its company policy to not sells guns in California. Are the home defense guns cheaper or are the hunting kind cheaper?

Mp7
January 9, 2011, 04:01 AM
Go to a gun store and find a clone of a Mossberg or a 870.

U german?

philobeddoe
January 9, 2011, 04:16 AM
WalMart sells guns and ammo here in CA, just not in certain stores.

As for your shotgun decisions, I purchased a Winchester 1300 Defender some time ago new for $225, a used short barrel wood stock Smith and Wesson 12g for $150 more recently, an NEF 12g, I took in trade for some motorcycle camshafts probably a $150 to $200 deal, and one of them Turkish Escort Shotguns for about $100.

There are a lot of options out there, new and used. For your first one, don't be afraid to buy a reliable used gun. It's for shooting, not showing.

zoom6zoom
January 9, 2011, 04:19 AM
I don't know about California, but around here used, like new Mossbergs start around $160.

Owlnmole
January 9, 2011, 06:23 AM
Mossberg Mavericks are simple, cheap, rugged and made in the USA.

SLCscottie
January 9, 2011, 06:46 AM
My son is looking for the same thing for home defense. The best deals Iím seeing are at pawn shops. A friend who frequents them says when it comes time for people to pay taxes, there will be more guns showing up on their shelves. Sometimes at $100 less if you donít look too interested and they can still make money on them. Ask them how far they can come down.

That $160 for a like new Mossberg is probably right. Thatís what we are going to try.

Good Luck.

killchain
January 9, 2011, 07:04 AM
Hi I just turned 18 a couple months back and I'm looking to get a shotgun as my first firearm. But I don't really have a lot of money. Any recommendations?
Maverick 88.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 12:42 PM
Hmm so basically its Remington, Mossberg and Winchester. Anything else?

PT1911
January 9, 2011, 12:55 PM
NEF pardner pump... pick the configuration you want.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 01:05 PM
I just got back from my gun shop and I can't decide lol. They only have a used Mossberg and a used basic Remington 870. They have a new benneli but thats out of the question lol SO from those two, which one? Oh and the mossberg has a 18 inch and the remington has a 20 something inch barrel

FruitCake
January 9, 2011, 01:34 PM
Remington 870. Its the shotgun that you will find any option for at reasonable prices almost anywhere in the world. This is ofcourse once you become proficient with the basic platform. I've addeed many doodads to all my 870,s and they've ended up coming off and being sold.(Most not all) Well I did keep a few that might play certain roles but that will be my secret.

Spec ops Grunt
January 9, 2011, 01:47 PM
Are you left handed?

If so, you will probably like the Mossberg safety more.

Adair
January 9, 2011, 01:51 PM
870 is the most popular pump shotgun ever made.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 02:49 PM
Yeah I'm left handed. I just found out that the Remington 870 is still used by the military. So before I get the 870, anyone still have an argument for the mossberg?

waidmann
January 9, 2011, 02:58 PM
A variation on this theme, 870 Express Turkey. 20 inch vent rib with extended X-Full supplied. Pick up some extra tubes.

brandon_mcg
January 9, 2011, 03:11 PM
you will not regret it if you buy the remington 870.....

Spec ops Grunt
January 9, 2011, 03:46 PM
The military uses the Mossberg too.


You can't go wrong with either, choose whichever feels better to you.

Sergeant Sabre
January 9, 2011, 06:09 PM
Yeah I'm left handed. I just found out that the Remington 870 is still used by the military. So before I get the 870, anyone still have an argument for the mossberg?

I do: The Mossberg 500 is the "official" military shotgun, although I have personally seen both Remingtons and Mossbergs in armories when I was with the Marines. If you're left-handed, the safety on the 870 will be difficult to manipulate. It's a cross-bolt trigger safety that lies behind the trigger. Push it to the left and it goes off. The problem is that, being left-handed, your trigger finger will be on the left side of the trigger guard. You will have to reach around the trigger guard to the right side of the shotgun to disengage the safety. The Mossberg, having a thumb-operated tang safety, is ambidextrous.

But, you can get a left-handed 870. They aren't common, and I think they are more expensive than a "normal" one, but Remington makes them.

JNewell
January 9, 2011, 07:18 PM
I recently bought a very good Winchester 1200 with a "Riot"-marked 18" barrel for $125 OTD. Used Remington 870 Wingmasters should last a lifetime or two and commonly can be found under $250 in good shape. Now that deer season is ending, you may be able to find a 21" smoothbore barrel on a used Wingmaster in that price range, and other than the extra inch or three of barrel, it's essentially the same as a HD-type 870. With luck, you can even find a LH 870. Good used shotguns are a really good buy - you should give it some consideration.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 07:35 PM
Aren't Winchester 1200 models really old though? I don't mind used but I don't want one that my grampa used either lol. I'm seriously considering the Remington now considering its only 150 but I do like the Mossberg tang safety since I'm a lefty...... So many choices can't decide....

Alec
January 9, 2011, 07:55 PM
FWIW I think you may prefer the tang-mounted safety on the 500 over the crossbar safety of the 870.

Sikvenum86
January 9, 2011, 08:00 PM
I do lol but everyone seems to be in favor of the Remington and I hear the receiver is more durable.

hogbody74
January 9, 2011, 08:14 PM
Model 12 is the really old Winchester. 1200 is a modern shotgun. The model 12's I have shot as well as the Benelli 1014 just have a entirely different use.
I guess I am trying to say is nothing wrong with a "old" weapon, just depends on what you want an can afford.
hogbody74

bubba in ca
January 9, 2011, 08:54 PM
870 and 500 are both fine guns. Pick the one that feels best in your hands.
Big five sporting goods has both on sale all the time.

PS: Mossbergs rattle because they are supposed to rattle, like the original 45 autos.

You should be able to get 10,000 or more rounds through either one.

Happy shooting.

JonB
January 9, 2011, 11:11 PM
For around 350 you get a new Benelli Nova which is a great gun for the $$. I use mime for everything from upland to waterfowl to turkey. No way I would pick an 870 express over the Benelli

frankenstein406
January 9, 2011, 11:27 PM
H@r 870 clone 90% of it for $170ish but made in China.
I don't trust their turbos so Idk how I feel about there guns.

Rustinthewheel
January 9, 2011, 11:52 PM
The Mossberg/Maverick is a great choice, considering the price point and your left hand being your primary. USN/USMC use primarily the Mossberg, and receiver strength is a non-issue. Thicker/heavier does not always mean better.

If the strength is really of concern to you, yet you would still like the tang safety, look into the 590A1 which is a heavier version with a more durable finish.


Most importantly, get behind each of your prospective firearms, and run a few rounds through. No point in having a gun if you don't enjoy firing it, or cannot comfortably operate it.

Sergeant Sabre
January 10, 2011, 03:59 AM
I do lol but everyone seems to be in favor of the Remington and I hear the receiver is more durable.

Everybody else isn't using your shotgun. You are. If you prefer one product, don't let the preference of everybody else pressure you.

The receiver is more durable? For what? Pounding nails? What do you plan on doing with it that you are worried the reciver will break? How many Mossberg 500 recievers have you seen, or even read about on the internet, that have broken? What about the recivers of Benelli and Browning automatics? Those are aluminum, too. As is the reciever of the M-16 and other AR-type rifles.

If you prefer the Mossberg, get the Mossberg.

IncredibleGord
January 10, 2011, 04:26 AM
Maybe you should get a pistol instead.

JTH
January 10, 2011, 05:35 AM
Academy seems to carry a decent array of weapons, just not many Tactical rifle other than AR's. There are plenty of decent shotguns to be had new in your price range. If your not going to be hunting you may want a shorter shotgun with a pistol grip. Just more convenient for CQE at home!
Good luck.
JT

ojibweindian
January 10, 2011, 09:06 AM
Aren't Winchester 1200 models really old though? I don't mind used but I don't want one that my grampa used either lol. I'm seriously considering the Remington now considering its only 150 but I do like the Mossberg tang safety since I'm a lefty...... So many choices can't decide....

The 1200 is an old model, but plenty of parts are still available. Were I a lefty, I'd lean towards the Mossberg because the safety would be easier to engage/disengage. That being said, though, with training, you'd get used to the 870 safety.

In all honesty, the 870, Mossberg, and Winchester are all good choices. Try all three out and see which one suits you better, then go with that.

JNewell
January 10, 2011, 01:36 PM
Again, no bad choices here. Try before you buy.

The aluminum receiver is a total non-issue in terms of durability and reliability.

Plastic trigger guards are actually more durable than aluminum and other alloy materials, by the way.

I would take a used American pump any day and twice on Sunday before I bought a Chinese copy, but YMMV.

hboy35
January 10, 2011, 02:21 PM
I am amused and entertained reading all the posts--trying to justify buying only ONE shotgun. My goodness, that is why they make from 8 to 32 position gun safes! That is why we have this giganormous gun forum and all--to discuss our addiction.

You like the safety on the Mossberg--get a mossberg. You like the function of the Rem--get one of those, too! Like potato chips, can't have just one.....

Onward Allusion
January 10, 2011, 02:27 PM
Not 21...

Maybe you should get a pistol instead.

Onward Allusion
January 10, 2011, 02:29 PM
Can't go wrong with the 870 or 500 or even the NEF Pardner Protector or Maverick 88. Just stay away from the Remington 870 EXPRESS... BTW, go with a 18.5" barrel...

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USAF_Vet
January 10, 2011, 04:02 PM
How many Mossberg 500 recievers have you seen, or even read about on the internet, that have broken?

At least one.
I have a Maverick 88 and a Mossberg 500. The reciever on the 500 is broke, and I use my Mav almost exclusively. The Mossberg 500 is used primarily as a place to store my spare parts.

Anyway, I'm also a left handed shooter. The Mav 88 has the same safety as the Rem 870, the cross tang in front of the trigger guard. But considering the fact that I'm used to firing right handed weapons as a lefty, it doesn't bother me or handicap my overall performance with the weapon.

FWIW, you can't go wrong with either the Moss/Mav or the Rem. But I agree with the other who say get behind the weapon, try before you buy.

Chris95
January 10, 2011, 04:38 PM
NEF pardner pump compact wood or synthetic is a personal preference they have a 22" barrel and are a very well made and strong pump and you will have plenty of money left to get some ammo

Girodin
January 10, 2011, 06:15 PM
I do lol but everyone seems to be in favor of the Remington and I hear the receiver is more durable.

I don't know anyone who has had the receiver fail on either, I would wager that it is rare. IF one can afford enough ammo to use the gun enough to wear out the receiver they will have no issue dropping the money on another sub $300 shotgun to replace it.

I have both the 870 and a 500 and either one will work just fine. People's preferences tend to come from personal preferences over certain things. Often people are swayed by safety location (either works for me), slide release location ( I prefer the Mossberg but if one trains with the 870 he or she will be fine), after market parts (the 870 has better support but both have support and one really doesn't need much to make a good HD and/or fighting shotgun), and differences in performing slug change overs, with a full tube and depending on technique it is possible to retain a shell with the 870 that would be lost on the Mossberg.

Either one is very serviceable and unless you have very strong feelings about one of the differences between the guns either will serve you fine. The cheaper foreign copies of these designs likely will as well.

I've been considering another shotgun project and towards that end I have been watching my local classifieds. I see a lot of used wingmasters for sub $300 some for $250 or so. Put an 18" barrel on one of those and it is a gun I would prefer to an express and often for less money. I've seen used mossbergs and express guns for as low as $150.

A much more important consideration than the gun you get is what you will invest in instruction and practice. I'll take the guy with his $200 hawk 982 (not a bad gun at all BTW, its a Chinese 870 clone) who has done a shotgun course or two and has a significant amount of training and practice (not the same as mere shooting and round count) in running his gun over the guy who keeps his Benelli M4 in the closet and occasionally goes out and shoots, as opposed to training/deliberate practice.

If you put in the time with the gun the Remington vs Mossberg choice likely wont matter one iota.

SKILCZ
January 10, 2011, 07:51 PM
You can get either a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 for under $300, especially used--all day long. Either one will serve you well.

Some differences:

870 has

mag extensions (easier to access mag tube to clean it than a 500 [but not a 590], can change capacity)
steel receiver
crossbolt safety on trigger guard
slide release in front of trigger guard, left side
shell lifter in down position (i.e. you have to load against it & lift it up)


500 has:

receiver-mounted tang safety (ambidextrous)
slide release at back of trigger guard, sticks out more than 870's does
shell lifter in up position (i.e. you don't load against its tension or have the potential to get pinched).
cheaper (unless you get a 590)
closed mag tube (unless you get a 590), though u can still clean it with more complete take down (i.e. more effort).


Both will last longer than you if you take care of them, and both have huge amounts of aftermarket accessories for them.

If you put in the time with the gun the Remington vs Mossberg choice likely wont matter one iota.

I agree. If you don't care about safety location or country of origin and want to go cheaper yet, you could get a Maverick 88 (essentially a Mossberg 500 with a different safety location and harder to remove forend but partially made or assembled in Mexico, IIRC) or NEF Pardner Pump

Sergeant Sabre
January 10, 2011, 09:55 PM
I have a Maverick 88 and a Mossberg 500. The reciever on the 500 is broke, and I use my Mav almost exclusively.

How did it happen?

rockheadd
January 10, 2011, 11:49 PM
NEF Pardner pump, 18" barrel. Put a sidesaddle on it that holds 6 rounds, get a 100 lumen flashlight/laser on sale from Big 5 for $29.00 and you have a home defense rig that will solve all your security issues for a total under $300.00. Load it with #4 buck to reduce penetration into other rooms and you're set.
Plus, if you run out of ammo it make a wicked club as it weighs about 50 lbs (not really).

RonE
January 11, 2011, 12:12 AM
Remington 870

Girodin
January 11, 2011, 01:02 AM
Large letters and in bold, I'm convinced it must be the best the choice.

hnl.flyboy
January 11, 2011, 01:23 AM
Mossberg 500. I bought a 12 gauge Mossy 500 July 3 last year and put many rounds through it. I like the Mossberg as its controls are simple...tang safety-forward is fire, back is off; pump release can be manipulated without changing your grip (Remington 870 requires you to shift your firing hand forward to hit the pump release unless you have a looooong finger). I also like that its shell lifter stays up. No pinching and keeps me in a good habit of loading the tube with the pump forward.

My next shotgun will be another Mossberg 500 in 20 gauge.

USAF_Vet
January 11, 2011, 04:08 PM
How did it happen?

lots and lots of hard use, I suppose. I bought it used, without barrel and stock, for $40.
The guide rail for the lifter plate sheared off. It'll still fire, but without the guide rail, cycling the action after each shot requires a hammer. None of the parts that actually make the gun go boom are broken, but it still effects hoe the gun operates safely, so as I said, it quickly became a spare parts gun.

IncredibleGord
January 14, 2011, 01:15 AM
Re: Onward Allusion,

Not 21...

As long as you are 18, you can still own one... You just gotta find em. There's a billion posts on here about the legality of this.

OP: Try ads on here, armslist, and gunshows. But be wary of sellers, make sure they are legit, and have proof that they bought it themselves. I got a Glock when I was 18, took months to find it. And getting ammo was hard as well.

MudPuppy
January 14, 2011, 01:28 AM
I think it's a toss up between a mossberg and an 870, the edge going to the mossberg for lefties.

I like the trigger guard mounted safety of the 870 (behind the trigger) over the Winchester's position in front of the trigger. I could envision the trigger finger ending up on the trigger when switching it off safe.

There's a lot of preference one way or the other, but you'll need to decide--if you say you like the mossy, that's not a bad choice.

Onward Allusion
January 14, 2011, 12:28 PM
I'm not a lawyer!

OP is in California. A parent must "transfer" a handgun to him. He personally cannot go out and do a FTF at 18. He also mentioned his parents are ANTI's.

IncredibleGord (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=79859)

Re: Onward Allusion,
Not 21...
Quote:As long as you are 18, you can still own one... You just gotta find em. There's a billion posts on here about the legality of this.

OP: Try ads on here, armslist, and gunshows. But be wary of sellers, make sure they are legit, and have proof that they bought it themselves. I got a Glock when I was 18, took months to find it. And getting ammo was hard as well.

Mr. T
January 14, 2011, 01:23 PM
I just bought a semi-auto shotgun for $319 at Wally World. Now before everyone dumps all over it, I bought it as a knock around duck gun. It's a NEF/H&R shotgun. It has all synthetic furniture, it's light weight and it's pointability is excellent. It just handles so well. I would recommend it to anyone. The link is below.

http://www.hr1871.com/default.asp

stnjohnson
January 14, 2011, 04:20 PM
I have a Mossberg 500 for home defense, but I would have been just as happy picking up a Remington 870. Do check out the safety issue on the Remington if you can't find a left hand version.

^^^ Thought I'd post that since you seem to be taking a vote.

Nerostarr
January 15, 2011, 07:36 AM
I have both the mossberg 500 and remington 870 and both with 18" barrels. They are both fantastic shotguns and you can't go wrong if you buy either. I prefer the mossberg myself because of the safety location and the finish on the gun. Get which ever gun you feel comfortable shouldering and feels good in your hands, then go out and shoot the hell out of it. Shoot it often and have fun.

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