[jiminhobesound]

I want to replace my skyy cpx1 with a +P capable compact 9mm. Currently, because of what I have read in various forums and reviews, I am leaning towards sthe Kahr because of cost and size. However, all of the reviews of the Taurus 709 and the Kahr CW9 I have read are one to two years old. Does anyone have experience with newer productions of these pistols? Thanks so much from this new member of the forum.

[gschoelles]

CW9 is my EDC, close to 1000 rounds with-out a hitch, and I'd highly recommend it.

[Kevin_G]

Just over 200 rounds through mine. With a Hogue Handall Jr. it shoots softer than my XD9 service...or feels softer anyway. It is surprisingly accurate and easy to shoot for such a small pistol. I had 1 failure to feed in the first 50 rounds ... good to go after that...so far.

[gearhead]

I haven't fired the Kahr but I've held it and pointed it, they don't feel quite as good in my hand as the Taurus. My 709 was bought just before Christmas, it's been perfect through one range trip and over 100 rounds of WWB and a couple of magazines of personal protection ammo. The Kahr probably has higher quality components (it should, for 2X the price) and I think it's a bit smaller but the Taurus fills my needs just fine so far. I'm sure the Kahr will serve you just as well if it fits you better than the other options.

[Luis Leon]

I've had my CW9 three months now. Close to 700 mixed rounds with one shooter induced failure to lock back on an empty mag. It has digested everything I've put through it. Very accurate for me out to about 15 yards. It has become my EDC. Next up for me is the PM9.

Luis Leon

[JDGray]

Welcome to THR!

Just picked up a CW9 today, after asking about the same question you did last week. Not too many bad things to say about them, at least everybody that posted in my thread, liked theirs. I'll report back after my initial range workout:)
Comparrison pic with my tiny LCP
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/002-1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/001-5.jpg

[Steve 48]

I love my CW9!! Accurate and reliable.

[9mmepiphany]

I've had my CW9 for just over a year and it has replaced my S&W 642 as my EDC...and I've been carrying that 642 for 10+ years.

I tested it extensively, well pass the recommended break-in period, because I had heard that the polymer framed Kahrs had more issues than the steel framed ones. Mine has proven very reliable and accurate. The trigger is much smoother than I expected, but the reset was a bit long...it is very much like the 642. The thinness really is a nice feature

[varoadking]

The Kahr probably has higher quality components (it should, for 2X the price)

The CW9 sells for $399.00 around here. What did you pay for the 709?

[Ala Dan]

Another recommendation for the Kahr CW-9; great pistol, at an affordable price.

[jiminhobesound]

Thank you very much to all of you who responded. I will go with the kahr.

[franco45]

Good choice. I have a CW9 with CT grips. It has been very reliable and accurate. I liked it so much that I bought a CW45. :fire:

[gearhead]

The CW9 sells for $399.00 around here. What did you pay for the 709?
Mine was $301 + normal fees.

[usp9]

The CW9 is a nice gun with some excellent "carry" qualities. It is simple, thin, full gripped, +P capable, accurate and fairly inexpensive. Personally I prefer the P9 for several reasons, but they are basically the same gun. The CW9 is a good choice for a CCW.

[MikePaiN]

I just gave up a troublesome Taurus PT709 and decided I was getting a Kahr to replace it. My intent was to get a CW9 but by chance just before I plunked down the money for the CW9 I stumbled across this awesome all black K9, got it out for a maiden run yesterday...it is one of the best 9mm I've ever shot...

Kahr all the way :)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x298/Mikepain_pics/Kahr%20K9/DSC03157.jpg

[PapaG]

Have a CW9, my Florida pistol. (Illinois has no CCW, only state in the Union to deny their citizens the right to self protection with firearms.). Flat, compact, accurate, reliable. It was $449 a couple years ago when everything, especially ammo was in short supply.

We've sold a few 709 Slims and had to send several of them back to the factory for repairs, everything from feeding, extracting/ejecting, or horribly regulated sights. No Kahr returns. That said, I'm working with a sp101 to possibly replace the Kahr for carry. Always been a wheelgunner.

[DasFriek]

IMO Taurus cant touch Kahrs quality even when the guns are close in price.
Ive owned several Tauri and still have a PT1911, But the build quality of my MK9 Kahr is second to none.
It used to be Taurus held a really good low price point where it was hard to pass up buying their products, But recently the prices on their guns has really jumped. Mainly im talking about the small .380 and 9mm pocket sized guns Taurus make.

I have the MK9 as i mentioned and its an all steel 9mm about the size of many .380's and its build quality is amazingly good, Shooting such a small gun with a hot 9mm +P is pretty much like butter its so smooth. Ive heard the same about the polymer PM9 which is my guns twin brother.

Lastly is how the guns holds its value, Trading a Taurus in at a gun shop is like paying them to take it many times. Your much better off selling in person if you want to get a reasonable price back out of the gun.
With a Kahr its a highly desirable gun and most shops will give you a decent trade in value but still not as high as a private sale. But over all trading in a Kahr nets more cash than a Taurus when you don't have time to sell it face to face or don't like dealing with other people in gun sales.

[Kingcreek]

add me to the list of Kahr fans. a PM9 with the CT laser and a CW9 both have been flawless performers. The long, long trigger takes a little getting used to but no complaints from me.

[Nagant]

Another CW9 fan here. Smooth shooting, "accurate" (at least for me and others who have shot it), and reliable.

[hardknocks!]

hello all
i have put 600 rounds through my cw nine without one failure of any kind.
i have used at least 8 different types of ammo and three diff hollow points.
its a keeper for me.
good luck

[Girodin]

I have a K9 and find it is just about the ideal size for a carry gun. The CW is even thinner and lighter. Kahrs have a lot going for them as a carry gun, which isn't surprising since they were designed with that task in mind.

[IdahoLT1]

Ive owned 2 CW9's. The first one had ~1000 trouble free rounds through it but was stolen out of my truck one morning when i left it running to warm up. The 2nd, I still have and has seen 500 trouble free rounds. I chose the CW9 again because no other gun appealed to me or had comparable dimensions for the same price range. Picked the first one up almost 3 years ago for $385 and the second a year an a half ago for $400.

[Shmackey]

What's the difference between the CW9 and the P9/PM9?

[kurt1305]

Here is a chart showing the specifications of each:

http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-PM9.asp

[usp9]

In addition to the ones below the P series are available in black, while the CW line is stainless only. CWs have less selection of sights. Personally, I prefer the P9 for these two reasons, but the CW is essentially the same gun.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/img_cwvsp9.gif

[LCPor9mm]

Here's a link to Kahr's web site. It explains the differences between models.
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW9.asp

[redbeardsong]

The grip on the CW9 seems long and is made even longer with the mag inserted. Does anyone find it difficult to conceal the grip?

[Kingcreek]

Not long or hard to conceal at at all for me but I'm hoping to get some flush fitting mags or just round off the original base plate. The PM9 is 6 rounds and the the CW9 is 7

[Jhoss]

Am I right with this assessment? No safety? Just pick it up and squeeze?

[Ledgehammer]

No safety on the kahr besides the double action trigger pull. I absolutely love mine. I can conceal the grip no problem. It fits in most of my pockets, but I find that to be a bit tight. So I carry mine iwb appendix and it's very comfortable plus it's invisible there.

[Luis Leon]

No safety, squeeze trigger and it goes bang. Good grip for me (all three fingers). Easily concealable and great to carry all day...

[Ledgehammer]

I believe kahr truly hit a homerun with this affordable, reliable, and very concealable gun. The trigger pull is sweet and it's very accurate and easy to shoot.

[IdahoLT1]

Some models have the option of a manual safety(needed for sale in Massachusetts) but the standard is no safety.

[Paul7]

My polymer Kahr was junk. Went back to the factory three times before they gave up on it. Made me lose my confidence for that brand.

[Girodin]

What were the nature of the problems your gun had?

[Luis Leon]

Paul7, Junk? How so? Could you elaborate? My Kahr has been flawless other than one failure to lock back, which was shooter induced. Calling it junk is kind a of harsh... Maybe you got a lemon...

[JDGray]

Am I right with this assessment? No safety? Just pick it up and squeeze?
The CW9 and I believe all Kahrs, have a firing pin block safety.

[sonofodin]

I have a CW45. Its a wonderful gun, as is the CW series 9mm. The only things I dislike are the sharp serrations on the front and back strap, the ultra tight throat that wont feed anything I load for it reliably and the plastic sights. All 3 issues can be cured without spending alot of money.

USP9, IMO the P9 is the superior grade gun. The guys over at kahrtalk.com mentioned the CW series as being "economy" level guns, hence the cut corners and price tags.

Hope it helps.

(Paul7, most of the guys over at kahr will make whatever is wrong, right)

[MICHAEL T]

Like 99% of others here my CW-9 is a great pistol and carry gun. Taurus not even in the same ball park .

[IdahoLT1]

I never understood why some people dislike the grip serrations or find them uncomfortable. I'm an electrician by trade but I don't think my hands are any more calloused than average.

[Kevin_G]

I think the grip is very much improved by the Hogue Handall Jr. Makes a big difference in how the gun fits my hand and felt recoil. I got mine at Sportsman's Warehouse for $6.

http://www.kahr.com/Grips/Kahr-Hogue-Handall-Jr-Rubber-Grip.asp

[frank c]

My polymer Kahr was junk. Went back to the factory three times before they gave up on it. Made me lose my confidence for that brand.

WOW,my Kahr PM9 has been flawless:D