While we're talkin' .41 Mags...


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Sarge
December 26, 2002, 09:39 PM
Anybody got a Model 58 S&W that they've shot some? I'm getting a bad case of the 'want ones' for a 58, and think I could get along just fine with one for most of my handgun chores.

If you fit the above category, take a minute and tell me how you like yours, which load (if any) does it shoot to the sights with, etc. Post a pic if you feel like it. The next question of course, is where's one for sale & how much?

Thanks to all, responses are greatly appreciated.

Sarge

"The artist formerly known as invssgt"

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Mike Irwin
December 27, 2002, 03:00 AM
Yes.

I've shot mine (a 4") quite a bit, and I love it.

Remington 210 gr. JSPs are absolute thumpers. Very loud, very snappy recoil. I made the NRA range sit up and take notice when I unloaded a cylinder full of those last year.

I can't tell you exactly what my reload is, as I'm away from home, but it's a 215 LSW bullet and some Winchester 231 powder.

Not as snappy as the Remington loads, but still a handful.

M58
December 27, 2002, 03:05 AM
Great gun; but the 57 is also.
Check GunsAmerica; they have had quit a few for sale this last month or so.
Silvertips are great in these guns and ProLoad has a real thumper.
Mostly I reload with 21ogr. XTPs.

Sorry, photo attachment is not working.

happy old sailor
December 29, 2002, 11:45 PM
don't have a 57/58, but i have a 657. love it. "if only one gun", this is it.

Erich
December 31, 2002, 12:05 PM
I will always yearn for the customized 58 that I could have bought for $250.00. It later turned up in a friend's hands. Twice a year, I ask him if he'll sell it to me for $500.00. So far, no good. :(

It's all L. Neil Smith's fault!

dump button
December 31, 2002, 02:46 PM
Gunsamerica has a fine example of a Model 58. They also have what appears to be a Model 57 with a ported M58 barrel screwed on.
One of my first guns was a Model 657 with 3" barrel. Most impressive. I wish I still had it.

M58
January 1, 2003, 02:30 AM
Here is a bone stock M58

M58
January 1, 2003, 02:32 AM
A refurbished M58

M58
January 1, 2003, 02:33 AM
A confused M58

:evil:

Mike Irwin
January 1, 2003, 04:30 PM
Great Googly Moogly, that's ugly, M58!

Is that from the factory like that, or did you have that done?

Phil in Seattle
January 1, 2003, 09:31 PM
After I decided that I wanted a 41 magnum it took me two months to find this 657 Mountain gun. My quest for a 4" Model 57 will continue on until I find one.

Here is is with two fired and recovered 210gr Hornady XTPs.

I know where there might still be a model 58 about but if I recall correctly the seller wants in the $600 range for it. That's too rich for my blood as I'm not very interested in that model.

Bob R
January 1, 2003, 11:57 PM
It took me quite a while to find a Model 57, but I did. Now I am looking for a .45 Colt MTN GUN.....then I will stop with the S&W for a while.

Erich
January 2, 2003, 12:50 AM
I agree with Mike.

He posted 10x as many posts as me at TFL, he quotes the Howling Wolf, and he knows an ugly revolver!

happy old sailor
January 2, 2003, 12:12 PM
an ugly gun is like an ugly, but, sweet tempered woman. you love her for what she is, not how she looks.

if you feel ashamed to be seen with that ugly thing, i will take it and be glad.

Calif. Hunter
January 2, 2003, 03:00 PM
I've always liked the .41 mag, since my Dad bought me a Ruger Blackhawk in that caliber in 1971. I still have that gun, and I picked up a very clean first model 57 with a 4-inch barrel for a little over $400 a few months ago. My brother has a clean Model 58, but his has the larger S&W stocks like the Model 57.

Anthony
January 3, 2003, 12:15 PM
Hey Sarge!

Buy one! I had been haunting gun shows for years looking for one and happened upon a beautiful nickel plated one at a gentleman's table a few years ago. He was the original owner and trying to thin out his collection. After a little discussion I left with it for $300.00 and was stopped by three men before I left the isle who wanted to buy it. When I told one guy it wasn't for sale he asked if he could just hold it. I let him.

That's the magic of the model 58. :what:

I called Smith & Wesson with the serial number to find out how old it was. Lo and behold it was one of the original runs of the Model 58s from 1964 and she told me the nickel plated ones are very rare. The same year the .41 Magnum was introduced!

So being the guy I am I promptly shipped it to my gunsmith and had him smooth it up, radius the trigger, chamfer the cylinder mouthes, trim the hammer a bit, and Metalife the hammer and trigger to contrast nicely with the nickel plating.

Now I carry the gun whenever the weather is nice enough to cooperate. It's in my nightstand drawer as I write this.

As for loads, I've talked to several other Model 58 owners and several told me that the Winchester 175-grain Silvertip hits about one inch high, but centered at 25 yards while the newer Federal Premium hardcast 250-grain hunting load shots to the point of aim at 25 yards. I've read that bullets over 220-grains won't stabilize properly in a S&W .41 Magnum, but they seem to shoot fine in mine. While I have not tried the Federal 250-grain load in my M-58, the assertion about the Silvertip seems to be correct. Then I fired some Federal Classic 210-grain JHPs (1300 fps) and they seems to shoot dead on to the point of aim as well at 25 yards.

If you plan on going beyond 25 yards (e.g., hunting) I'd simply try the different loads and see what works best in the guy you buy. You might see more variance as you get further out. If you're staying within 25 yards, it has been my experience that once sighted in for your favorite load, the other .41 Magnum loads tend to be pretty darn close to the point of aim.

Don't forget the new Winchester Platinum 240-grain load (1250 fps) they are introducing this year. I haven't tried it, but it should be a great hunting load or deep penetration self defense load.

Bottom line, buy a .41 Magnum and enjoy. I own two Model 57s with four inch barrels, a M-58 with a four inch barrel, and two M-657s with three and six inch barrels respectively. Favorite loads are the Winchester 175-grain Silvertip and Federal Classic 210-grain JHP loads. Both are excellent at longer ranges and have manageable flash.

- Anthony

Sarge
January 4, 2003, 11:39 AM
I'll hunt around here locally and hit a few shows, see what there is to be had. A much of a nuisance as they have made gun purchases, I can't hardly bring myself to buy I gun that I can't handle first; so internet auctions are more a source of entertainment for me than anything else. Take care-

Sarge

ACP230
January 5, 2003, 01:34 AM
New year, new .41 Magnum, I say!

My M58 hits center with Remington LSWC 210 grain loads. These are supposed to run at about 900 fps. My reloads with 215 grain bullets at about 1,000 fps shoot to about the same point of aim. Winchester Silvertips hit high, if I remember right.

jimmy
January 5, 2003, 07:33 AM
Hmm, what's the value of a blue Model 58 in excellent condition but without the original box? The Standard Catalog of S&W (2d edition) suggests $325. A gun show regular that I know is offering to sell me his for $400 and he claims it's worth more. Is $400 a reasonable price or is it too high? :scrutiny:

Reaper
January 5, 2003, 09:58 AM
My girlfriend has 2 Model 58's but I can't get her to part with either. :(

Robert inOregon
January 5, 2003, 05:36 PM
My girlfriend has 2 Model 58's but I can't get her to part with either.

Marry Her!

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:01 AM
Bored...:neener:

M657 MG

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:04 AM
DE .41 mag.

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:06 AM
M57 6"

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:07 AM
M57 nickel

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:08 AM
M657

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:09 AM
M657 Hunter

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:10 AM
Ruger .41 mag.

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:11 AM
M415

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:13 AM
M425

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:14 AM
Got to go...
Dealer called...
There is a 7.5" Hunter M657 at the range waiting...:banghead:

M58
January 9, 2003, 09:21 AM
T/C .41 mag.
Bottom:what:
Upper .223:evil:

JShirley
January 9, 2003, 10:49 PM
Okay, M58, you are just wrong. I have a 657 3" bl that I love. Any advice on fairly slim grips? The ones that came on her swell towards the bottom (might be the same as on your 657). Yech...

DeltaElite
January 9, 2003, 11:18 PM
I hate you, I hate you all..........

I wanna Model 58, I want one bad. :banghead:

M58
January 9, 2003, 11:41 PM
Spegel or Miculik grips thin to the grip bottom.

Jim Higginbotham
January 10, 2003, 12:56 AM
I have one that is completely original (except that it had Hogue stocks). It shoots SilverTips into about 1" groups at 25 yards and hits just about the sights.

Based on this, I found another one which had been roundbutted - it however does not shoot nearly as well. About 2 to 2.25" at 25 and it it only shoots the Factory lead SWC to the sights (all the rest of factory rounds are low).

I have a third in which I installed a Model 29 barrel cut to 3 3/4" and a 629 Cylinder. The sight base on the 29 barrel milled down to 1/10" wide just happened to be the right height for Federal factory JHP - which clocks nearly 1300 fps from this gun because the cylinder gap is so small. Does it hurt to shoot it....yep. I would prefer SilverTips but they hit low and left.

I love fixed sighted revolvers. So if you want one that has a decent sight picture *and* is over .40 caliber, then the 58 is about it. I was sorry to see it disappear but I also wish they mad a similar gun in .45 Colt and .45 ACP! In fact, I got the idea of my .44 from a friend who has a Round Butt 58 with a 25-2 barrel cut to 4" and he rechambered the cylinder for .45 Colt.

Another friend has a pair of S&W 581's relined and chambered for ".41 Spl." but he would not dream of parting with one and I doubt I would go to the trouble of trimming brass.

What we need is a 581/681 3 or 4" in 10mm!!!!!

Just musing,
Jim H.

M58
January 10, 2003, 05:27 AM
Yup, like my M610.

M58
January 10, 2003, 06:55 PM
7.5" M657 is on lay-away!:neener:

Johnny Guest
October 9, 2003, 12:51 PM
Doing a search while ondering a possible purchase of a Model 58, I ran onto this old thread. I can only hope this member has sought help during the past several months - - -

Okay, M58 - -
You have, in this single thread, posted illustrations of fourteen different .41 handguns, and announced layaway of another!bone stock M58 . . .
A refurbished M58 . . .
A confused M58 . . .
M657 MG . . .
DE .41 mag. . . .
M57 6" . . .
M57 nickel . . .
M657 . . .
M657 Hunter . . .
Ruger .41 mag. . . .
M415 . . .
M425 . . .
T/C .41 mag. . . .
Yup, like my M610. . . .
7.5" M657 is on lay-away! Please correct me if I’m wrong - - - The DE image looks like one from a catalog, but the rest appear to be home-photographed. Are we to understand these are all (or most) your personal collection? I stand in awe.

Reminds me of a cartoon of a sweet lookin’ girl talking to a guy in full movie cowboy costume. He’s hugging a big palomino. Chick says, “Lots of cowboys are very fond of their horses, Lance. But let’s fact it: You’re INVOLVED!”

Hey, fifty-eight - - I do love the .45 ACP cartridge, and have a deep and abiding affection for the .45 Colt round. But, friend, I’m a little worried for you. It MAY not be too late to get you into a therapy program . . . .

:D
Johnny

C.R.Sam
October 9, 2003, 01:05 PM
My partner picked up a 57 bout six months ago, it needed help and he got it for...

$150.


We worked up loads for it Tuesday and I fell in love with it.

Crack like a rifle and drive tacks. Easy shooter. Now has 4" barrel.

Sam

george_co
October 9, 2003, 01:16 PM
I have had a M57-6" for about 17 years now.

But the main reason I posted is becuase I picked up a M58-4" about 2 1/2 months ago and have only got to shoot it once. I took it to a gun smith to have throat opened slightly to reduce the spitting. I went in yesterday afternoon and he promised me that he would have it done this coming monday. My patience is at an end, I want to shoot it. :fire:

As far as I have been able to tell it hits where it is aimed at.

I picked up mine at a pawn shop for $300. Although it is costing more than that. I decided that I need to shoot it more. That means reloading, so I have bought reloading equipment, books ect.

Good Luck Finding a 58.

Mike Irwin
October 9, 2003, 01:44 PM
Sam,

What's the load that you and your partner worked up?

And please tell me that's not a domestic partner the way the government is now defining it... :D

sgt127
October 9, 2003, 04:27 PM
I have a mint 58 nickel that was my first duty gun. Bought it in 1978. Living its life quietly in my safe now, still looks 99% new.

I just bought a used one, blue, with a few miles of cosmetic wear. No damage, just blue wear. Paid $400. Now I have one I can carry again.

I have not seen a NIB or mint for under $500-600 in the last few years in Texas. I guess they have a huge cult following, they are really tough to find.

JNewell
October 9, 2003, 08:08 PM
Worse than the M29.

Really? Do you have a theory on that? I would have thought that the weight and grip size would keep recoil on the milder side, certainly less than an M29. (?)

BluesBear
October 10, 2003, 04:31 AM
The M58 was the issue weapon on my PD back in 1980. I had been carrying a 3¾" 1917 so I figured qualifying with the 58 would be a breeze.
I had the the old style round top checkered walnut grips on my 1917 and it was a sweet shooter. The 58 had the similar sized small Magna grips on it.
I had to fire 42 rounds for qualification. 30 with the right hand. After the first 6 rounds my right middle finger was sore. After 12 it was THROBBING.
When I left I could hardly grip the steering wheel. I drove 25 miles to a shop I knew had the large S&W smooth Target grips. I installed them in the car in the parking lot before I drove home. Made all the difference in the world. Loved shooting it after that. It was one of the later satin blued models and was second only to my 6" Python in accuracy. I bought a Roy Baker Pancake holster for it and even carried it off duty.

M58
October 10, 2003, 10:07 AM
Yup have all but the DE.
Had a chance at one.
Hated the feel!!!Passed on it.
Have T/C and Marlin lever in .41 mag, also.
Forgot if I posted those??


Sucks does it not.:neener:

M58
October 10, 2003, 10:11 AM
Me in therapy...

Johnny Guest
October 10, 2003, 11:55 AM
M58, I'm glad to see that you're into a well-structured program of therapy.

May the course of treatment be extended and joyful! ;)

Yeah, you posted an image of the T/C but didn't mention the Marlin.

Agree: The big Desert Eagles may not feel good in the hand, but they ARE ugly. (In my personal opinion, YMMV, no offense intended, etc.)

Do you have a deal with StarLine to buy .41 brass by the truckload?

Best,
Johnny

M58
October 10, 2003, 10:32 PM
:D

12 step program is too short....:uhoh:

M58
October 12, 2003, 01:24 AM
Lay-a-way:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=155080


Cannot find photo of Marlin??:what:

M58
October 12, 2003, 01:46 AM
:evil:


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=538025

BluesBear
October 12, 2003, 01:53 AM
You are an evil, evil man.

M58
October 13, 2003, 07:10 AM
"... evil man."

Half of that is correct.:rolleyes:

Tamara
October 13, 2003, 09:23 AM
A 4" RB/RR/WO Model 57...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=536064

Someday it'll have a Model 58 to keep it company.

Iggy
October 13, 2003, 11:17 AM
I entered LE in 1966.. Had to furnish my own weapon bought a S&W 38
Training consisted of firing 6 shots and off to work.
One evening I was called upon to dispatch a marauding racoon and it took 5 shots to kill him..

I kept thinkin'.. "what if that coon was shootin' back?"

Next day I was able to purchase the first .41 magnum in Wyoming.. a Model 58 for $84.00.. Dealer threw in a box of shells because I couldn't afford them.. Took me 6 months to pay the gun off.

I carried it as a duty weapon on the PD, Highway Patrol and back on the ranch for the next 35 years.

We were shot at and shot back and we are still here..
I have a lot of guns, I might part with all of them but one..

That one has a place of honor in my gun cabinet and it's future is secure..
It is by far the smoothest action pistol I own and I never touched the innards.

It has some holster wear and some dings on the home made grips. I thought about a reblue and fixin' it up, but that gun and me got those dings and scrapes together. We earned them and I think we will just go on wearing them scars together..

einnor1040
October 13, 2003, 01:10 PM
I have a 657. It's one of the Lew Horton guns. I bought it new about 13 years ago. It's one of my favorite revolvers. I shoot a 215gr lead bullet on top of 19gr. of H110.

BBBS
September 4, 2006, 11:42 AM
Here's a couple 1st year 57's



http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/BBBBS/th_f537aa30.jpg (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/BBBBS/f537aa30.jpg)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/BBBBS/th_73cd5a3b.jpg (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/BBBBS/73cd5a3b.jpg)

Old Griz
September 4, 2006, 07:58 PM
Found a 4" 57 (no dash) for $350 and couldn't pass it up. The 240-gr Winchester Platinum Tip HPs are awsome punching paper. Don't think I'm gonna have a chance to try them on deer this year. The Silvertips grouped almost as well, but not quite. This has become my "travel gun." Had night sights put on it, so when out and about, in town, or in the woods, two-legged critters, or four, I'm ready.

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