Super Companion Bullseye loading question


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dtvburns
January 13, 2011, 11:45 AM
I am looking at loading a NAA Super Companion with Bullseye powder. I want to start at 1 grain.

Do I measure this by weight or volume?

I have a scale but if it is by volume where do I find a small accurate volume measure?

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arcticap
January 13, 2011, 11:55 AM
MCgunner specifies that it's measured by weight in post #14:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=530875&highlight=companion

I load my SC with 2.0 grains weight of Bullseye from a scoop I made out of an empty .22LR hull. It clocks a 30 grain pill about 1200 fps. This is what I carry. Of course, it shoots clean, too. 1 grain is around 800 fps which is about what I get from a good .22LR 36 grain HP round in my .22 model.

Inexpensive electronic scales can often be found at pawn shops where they buy & sell gold, or tobacco shops where paraphanalia is sold. Also eBay and Amazon.

dtvburns
January 13, 2011, 11:59 AM
Thanks! I read all of that last night I must have missed it.

Any opinions about smokeless in the Companion magnum? Am i more likely to bend the cylinder pin?

Is 1 grain enough in the cylinder? Will there be an air gap?

arcticap
January 13, 2011, 01:28 PM
Any opinions about smokeless in the Companion magnum? Am i more likely to bend the cylinder pin?

I recall reading a complaint or two about the Companion's cylinder pin bending but not with the Super Companion's cylinder pin.

Is 1 grain enough in the cylinder? Will there be an air gap?

That shouldn't be too much of a concern. If the bullet is seated properly then any air gap would be minuscule.

A lot of folks have reported about their success using smokeless Bullseye powder in their NAA mini-revolvers without any incidents. MCgunner did a lot of testing and didn't have any problems, and the overall performance was enhanced and much more enjoyable.
But your opinion is the one that matters the most since if you end up doing it, then it's at your own risk. :)

dtvburns
January 13, 2011, 02:32 PM
[QUOTE]if you end up doing it, then it's at your own risk/QUOTE]

This is why I ask these questions. The Pistol is so small I don't see how cut up hands can be avoided if there is a failure.

I have done some more research on the air gap in the cylinder and it does not seam to be a concern with modern smokeless powders. I think I will start with 4F and take it from there. If I feel I want more power.... don't know what practical reason I could possibly have for it (but that has never stopped me before, I own a 370HP 365 TQ VW Golf), I will try Bullseye.

andrewstorm
January 13, 2011, 04:11 PM
use it ,its safe,and reliable,and recommended by N a a,or use 4f real black powder,you'll get approximately 680fps mv from the black powder,and 750fps mv from 777, (great mouse load)more with compression ,black powder and substitutes are the only safe propellant according to the manufacturer...............PERIOD !:what: Have a look at youtube 1860 sharps pepperbox:cool:(I DONT KNOW HOW TO LINK )

_CY_
February 17, 2011, 10:19 AM
just scored a .22LR frame Companion and was looking for Bullseye vs BP information. thanks for sharing...

found it here, since it was over 239 days old... couldn't post ... pretty stupid to limit posting to threads that new. posting here so others can find it easily. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=511092

arcticap
February 17, 2011, 12:56 PM
A reply can still be added to that thread by simply checking the box at the bottom of the page next to the statement: "I am aware that this Thread is rather old but I still want to make a reply."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=511092&page=4

_CY_
February 17, 2011, 01:27 PM
thanks... but the "I am aware that this Thread is rather old but I still want to make a reply." doesn't show up for me. using latest Firefox.

have searched up and down entire page... not there

arcticap
February 17, 2011, 02:02 PM
You need to use the full reply to thread box and not the quick reply box.
The full reply to thread box is accessed by clicking on POST REPLY that's located at the bottom left of the last post of a thread.
Another one is also located above the top left of the 1st post on each page of a thread. :)

_CY_
February 17, 2011, 03:02 PM
OK... finally found it on the full options post screen

excuse my newbie-ness on THR ... this is unlike ANY other forum that I've ever visited. then again most other forums don't have 2k+ concurrent users.

largest forum that I'm a long time member is Candlepower Forums, which at 120k+ members is not exactly small... but compared to THR's massive stats....

Busyhands94
February 27, 2011, 11:42 PM
i am currently saving up to buy one of these and i want a powerful load. i am going to make a rear sight for it so i can make it accurate. these guns are labeled "inaccurate" by many people when it is really the shooters that are inaccurate. however it is not the size of the gun, it is how you use it. you can actually hunt with these guns. but don't expect to shoot 10 shot groups that can be hidden with a dime at 100 yards with a 1 1/4 inch barrel. i have a friend who can shoot a soup can at 20 yards consistently with his NAA cap and ball .22 super companion. the only trick to being accurate with these small guns is that you need to find a way to hold the revolver that works for you. you need to practice pulling the trigger with snap caps until you are able to pull the trigger without moving the muzzle of the gun. and then you do you will be able to get really good. i think it would be safe to use a pinch of smokeless. also if you want a really good powder scoop for small black powder weapons then take the amount of powder you are using, put it in an empty .22 shell mark the side with a sharpie, cut it down to the size across the sharpie line (remove the powder of course) and then sand the side. find a thick copper wire and solder it to the side of the cut down casing and there you have it. a powder measure for the price of an empty .22 and 3 inches of copper wire.

BHP FAN
March 1, 2011, 08:02 PM
Busyhands, here's a usefull link...
http://www.mouseguns.com/tactics/seltac.htm

bonza
March 1, 2011, 08:11 PM
I bought one on the Freedom Arms .22 mini percussion revolvers back in 1983. The factory supplied a mini powder scoop (like a Lee scoop) that could be used with either 4Fg or Bullseye. Pretty sure it threw 1gn of Bullseye, & whatever amount of 4Fg would fit in that volume.

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