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kwhi43@kc.rr.com
January 13, 2011, 06:19 PM
Here's mine. Both Uberti Cattleman, Both 45's, Both well tuned and I shoot
Black Powder loads in both of them.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/CowboyPistols.jpg

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jtscuba02
January 13, 2011, 06:25 PM
I like the one on top. I have one like it only it's .357 like my Henry rifle.

J-Bar
January 13, 2011, 07:53 PM
Beautiful guns, great photographs. You have every right to be proud.

If you have others, please share them as well.

I have 7 pairs of cowboy action revolvers, but I am not as good a photographer as you!
Do you shoot in CAS matches, and if so, where? Maybe we can posse together someday.

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
January 13, 2011, 10:24 PM
I'm in Kansas City, Don't shoot any CAS, too busy shooting matches at
Friendship and local Black Powder Pistol matches.

BHP FAN
January 13, 2011, 11:12 PM
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt218/bhpfan/pistols.jpg

Prairie Dawg
January 14, 2011, 03:27 AM
Here are my newest cartridge guns:
2 RM Conversions and a "Man With No Name" Conversion.
Silver snakes done by Joe Perkins at Outlaw Grips.

My other 6 cartridge guns are USFA Rodeos:
a pair of 5.5s in .38
a pair of 5.5s in .45
a pair of 7.5s in .45

All my guns shoot black powder beautifully!
--Dawg

http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snakes2a.jpg

BHP FAN
January 14, 2011, 11:05 AM
saweet! just like Clint...

Shoot The Moon
January 14, 2011, 03:48 PM
Lovely.... I have revolver envy. Those Cattlemans are banned here, but thankfully Uberti and ASM made a cap and ball version - they're tough to find, but one's definitely on my wish list.

Oh, great photo too.. :D

mykeal
January 14, 2011, 04:07 PM
Pietta makes one, currently in production, I believe.

Shoot The Moon
January 14, 2011, 04:12 PM
Pietta makes one, currently in production, I believe.
I didn't know! - Am off to search.... thanks Mykeal!

Shoot The Moon
January 14, 2011, 04:21 PM
(sorry for the brief thread-jack)
Mykeal, I've been on the Pietta website and cannot find it - if you are sure, please would you pm me the details.... it'd be much easier to buy a new one than wait for a good secondhand.

(back to the original plot now..... thanks!)

BHP FAN
January 14, 2011, 05:08 PM
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414559

mykeal
January 14, 2011, 07:41 PM
Dixie Gun Works catalog numbers RH0426 (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=879) and RH0428 (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3473).

Shoot The Moon
January 15, 2011, 01:06 PM
Cool - thankyou gents. Gotta have one in my collection, shame we can't have them in cartridge versions anymore but at least it's close......

andrewstorm
January 15, 2011, 09:25 PM
but does this REVOLVER RHO428 have a brass frame as stated in the ad,or do they mean brass grip frame either way its a pretty revolver,a deal at 300.00 usd,whats that about 200.00 lbs U K;) will they ship to merry old England,it does qualify as a curio,and antique,30 grain pyrodex pistol pellets are the way to go,with cci mag #11 caps as some have reported binding cylinders after only one fired cylinder (must be tight tolerances) with real black powder,777 fffg is cleaner than black also,can you guys get black powder,over there?( god save the subjects) The queens just fine after ALL she Is a Billionaire SHE LEAGLELY OWNS ONE SIXTH OF ALL DRY LAND IN THE WORLD

mykeal
January 16, 2011, 12:15 AM
The reference to a 'brass color case hardened frame' is nonsense. There is no such thing. It's a steel color case hardened frame, just like the other one. The only difference between the two guns is the backstrap/grip frame.

Technically the gun does not qualify as a Curio and Relic as it's not over 50 years old. It is, however, a percussion revolver and thus under the GCA 68 it is not a firearm as it does not use modern cartridge ammunition. The regulations for C&R guns (individual guns, not gun designs) over 50 years old are under the BATFE licensing regulations, not GCA 68. I have a C&R license but I cannot buy one of these revolvers under that license. I can, however, buy one over the counter or through the catalog without any FFL transfer paperwork. Strange but true.

788Ham
January 16, 2011, 12:36 AM
kc.rr,

How does you Cattleman shoot? I'm seriously thinking of getting one in .45 LC, in the same model. Beautiful iron my man!

Shoot The Moon
January 16, 2011, 05:54 AM
but does this REVOLVER RHO428 have a brass frame as stated in the ad,or do they mean brass grip frame either way its a pretty revolver,a deal at 300.00 usd,whats that about 200.00 lbs U K;) will they ship to merry old England,it does qualify as a curio,and antique,30 grain pyrodex pistol pellets are the way to go,with cci mag #11 caps as some have reported binding cylinders after only one fired cylinder (must be tight tolerances) with real black powder,777 fffg is cleaner than black also,can you guys get black powder,over there?( god save the subjects) The queens just fine after ALL she Is a Billionaire SHE LEAGLELY OWNS ONE SIXTH OF ALL DRY LAND IN THE WORLD
I have doubts as to whether DGW will ship to me as an individual - the gun is a Section One firearm here and hence requires similar paperwork as a modern design. I might be able to get them to ship to what we call a Registered Firearms Dealer - I will ask.

To answer your question about powder, yes we can buy real black powder here, but it requires a special explosives licence and a certificate to prove you are competent to handle it. In practice these aren't too tough to get if you are a bonafide shooter with a licence for BP guns.

Pyrodex, 777 etc are not classified as explosives, hence can be bought more easily, however each purchase is recorded and the seller must see a firearm certificate before handing over the powder.

By the way, the cost is very high - Pyrodex is 29 per lb, and 777 is 40 per lb. Not sure about real black powder, as I only use subs.

goon
January 16, 2011, 12:27 PM
If you have trouble with DGW, I think Midway has an international website. They also sell a lot of BP firearms. You might talk with your local dealers to figure out exactly what would have to be done to be legal.

Shoot The Moon
January 16, 2011, 05:40 PM
Thanks for the tip - Midway has a UK presence, so that might be the way for me to go. I can almost feel that '73 in my hand now..... :D

BHP FAN
January 16, 2011, 05:50 PM
Good luck! Also, go the few x-tra pounds and get Triple Seven ... it IS that much better.

andrewstorm
January 17, 2011, 01:37 AM
Mykeal me thinks your right,I Would have bought one last summer except for the brass frame mix up,cause I love that brass grip frame,wish i had one on my R O A .the pietta is a good deal @ 300.00 usd,and should be a nice instinctive shooter as DUSTIN HOFFMAN SAID IN THE MOVIE little big man (THROW UP 3);) Also shoot the moon sorry to hear about the tight grip the u.k. government has on black powder guns ( Licencing)as they say down south ...I hate it for you.....

9MMare
January 21, 2011, 03:31 AM
I'm looking for a pair of SA revolvers for cowboy mounted shooting.. Need to be .45s. New or used....are there any classified online for these?

I hope to find some locally if at all possible. Fit (to my hand) is really important.

BHP FAN
January 21, 2011, 06:11 PM
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SC_Slowhand
January 24, 2011, 02:31 AM
http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/bgoff689/Jan%2023%202011%20Collection%20Picts/4thPicturesCollection01-23-2011.jpg

I started out with an early replica of a late 17th Century Dueling Pistol. Then I went for a time line from the Colt Paterson to the last Black Powder Revolver Colt produced... the 1862 Police Revolver. I added a Remington in there just to balance things out. The two bottom Colts are originals.

http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/bgoff689/Jan%2023%202011%20Collection%20Picts/4thPicturesCollection01-23-20114.jpg

At the top is a Uberti Replica of a 1871 Richards-Mason Conversion of an 1851 Colt Navy. It's done in .38 Cal special. The only "modern" replica. I started looking into black powder cartridge revolvers being produced from 1865 to 1899.

Smith and Wesson had been making them since 1857. The were making those little "Flip Tops" with the spur triggers in .22 and .32 caliber. There were a few other cartridge guns around during the war like the Belgium made Pin Fire Revolvers. Later S&W starts making break tops. Iver Johnson and other companies follow suit. Colt starts producing conversions and later cowboy guns like the 1877 Thunderer. I'm still working on this part of the collection.

BHP FAN
January 24, 2011, 06:00 PM
Very nice. Do you shoot them all?

SC_Slowhand
January 24, 2011, 10:23 PM
:)

I have been really tempted but due to their age and availability of parts. I haven't shot any of the originals. I have only fired a few of the replicas. I missed up an ankle last year and have been rather restricted when it comes to range trips. Shame since the annual range fee is going to waste.

The originals give me some concerns when it comes to firing them. The cylinders were made thin, of low-carbon steel and not heat-treated. I've encountered various people that do and that's their thing. With some light loads and a throughly checked out revolver that would be a fun deal. With the right cartridges I'd have at it.

The 1877 Colt Thunderer is an exception. It would be rather difficult to find parts for and any extended repairs that would be beyond "tinkering" would be hard to find. Thunderers and Lightenings have a rather bad reputation for being difficult even during a normal disassembly.


http://i694.photobucket.com/albums/vv308/bgoff689/Jan%2023%202011%20Collection%20Picts/4thPicturesCollection01-23-20112.jpg

I've fired a few of the C&B replicas and taken the 38 Special Uberti Colt Conversion out to the range. I've done enough research to be able to take them apart and reassemble them. The loading gate on the conversion model makes it rather slow but that from a historical prespective lead to the evolution into break tops and swing out cylinders.

When it comes to shooting C&B black powder revolvers. I defer to the Ruger Old Army. They're not replicas nor antiques but don't require the fine tuning that most of the replicas need to really shoot right.

I'm keeping my eye out for a shooter or two. The third model Iver Johnson came out around 1909 - 1941 with a coil mainspring and a double post top latch. That would be a shooter. S&W was producing some smokeless firing M&Ps around 1899 that would be good. A Schofield would do the job nicely.


Basically I'm a collector, into preserving some of the originals and replicas. I'd hate to mess up an old antique that has survived a Hundred plus years, so when it comes to shooting one I'm going to be picky about it.:)

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