Why are Canadians So Anti-Gun?


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Evergreen
January 14, 2011, 03:47 AM
I was reading a gentleman who posted what seemed to be a very simple and respectful question. It was amazing at the rabid, bigoted and anti-gun responses this guy received from just about everyone. I know that not all Canadians are anti-gun, but it seems like a lot of them really hate guns and people who believe in using them to defend themselves.

This is one of many posts I have read that disturb me about the Canadian mindset:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091125152625AAk7aYU


I was thinking it would be very nice to do some backpacking and hiking around Banff National Park, as well as around British Columbia. However, there is a lot of remote areas with large grizzly and mountain lion population around there. As well, I would be in some very isolated areas which puts me at risk of being stalked by some potentially unfriendly 2-legged predators as well. Basically, I would not want to travel around the Canadian wilderness unarmed, just because a bunch of liberal, jerky people believe guns are inherently evil. Most of these people probably live sheltered lives in one of the three cities that exist in their country. Sadly, these same hard-headed and uneducated people are the ones responsible for making a majority of the laws.

Contrary to the response of one poster to the Yahoo question, I am assuming that many of rural Canadians don't look suspicious at "people who carry guns to protect themselves."

I am speculating here and don't really know the Canadian mindset. I am interested to hear the opinions of others here, especially the Canadian High Roaders here.

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FourteenMiles
January 14, 2011, 03:50 AM
Cognitive dissonance, or the fox calling the grapes he can't reach sour.

Boberama
January 14, 2011, 05:17 AM
Urban Canadians are anti-gun. They make the rules.

I'M NOT ANTI-GUN!

But I notice a very condescending attitude towards Americans, much like many Europeans. Especially towards Southerners. People will mock the way they talk, etc.

Anti gun 'cos we had no real founding fathers or any revolution.

I'm in BC. And there are a lot of grizzly. And cougar. And black bear.
Don't try and smuggle a gun in, they will catch you and you will go to jail.
It happens all the time.

Too bad, great wilderness spoiled by dumb laws.

Can i carry a non restricted rifle while hiking in ontario?
have recently got into the shooting sports and am an avid hiker and i wanted to know if it is legal to carry a non restricted rifle in say a backpack of other bag while hiking. namely i was thinking the henry US survival rifle would be the best choice simply for its small size when folded up. as far as i can tell i think it would be legal but i'm not 100%.
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by personal research yes, but I'd ask your closest DNR if I were you, I know that legally you should be ok, but it depends on who your dealing with, a good DNR officer or an a**hole, if an a**hole, then you have some problems.
the Canadian gun laws are very flawed and unspecific, hard to understand and can be twisted by crooked officers to fit their description of the situation, possibly getting you in trouble for something that is legal in the law books, even if you prove your case, you had to go to court and prove your innocence, possibly costing you thousands of dollars and you can't get any of those court costs back.

Boberama
January 14, 2011, 05:18 AM
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm

Using a firearm for wilderness protection.
It's legal for us. Make sure you know what qualifies as wilderness.

oldbear
January 14, 2011, 05:27 AM
The response you posted is based on pure fact, Canadian law, the author offers on opinion, no bias there. If the posted information is correct Canada does allow persons who wish to visit Canada to import most types of firearms. Where is the bias?

Guns and more
January 14, 2011, 11:24 AM
Why are Canadians So Anti-Gun?
They like the nanny state.

I suspect in the wild, everyone carries a gun.
The cities are where the libs think up more things for the government to do.

Carne Frio
January 14, 2011, 11:27 AM
Guns are evil and kill people and stuff.:banghead:

ny32182
January 14, 2011, 11:39 AM
I worked in Winnipeg for 3 months, in regular contact with what we would consider the "blue collar working man". I'm not real familiar with Canadian politics, but this type of guy in the US would probably ride somewhere in the middle politically; torn between standard conservative values, and the union wanting him to vote Democrat.... anyhow, I spent some time socially with these guys since I was there so long with little else to do, and they were gun owners/hunters/ice fishers. However they were very surprised that anyone in the US could/would want to CCW, etc. It is definitely a different culture than you find in the western/southern US. I don't know what their standard wilderness carry habits are.

Deanimator
January 14, 2011, 11:51 AM
I've talked to a bunch of Canadian anti-gunners in usenet and elsewhere in the internet, and to a "man", they seem to be passive-aggressive bullies. When it comes to government, they're like abused women defending the man who's kicking their teeth down their throats.

Years ago on the "Fullbore" long range rifle shooting mailing list, there was a retired Canadian cop. He literally WORSHIPPED government. He worked himself into a high dudgeon over the fact that several of us owned sniper rifles... while being COMPLETELY unable to explain any practical difference between a sniper rifle, a varmint rifle, and a 1,000 yard target rifle. He stated that if the government ordered you into a race based concentration camp, that you had a DUTY to go.

Then he got into some kind of dispute with the Canadian gun registration bureaucracy. At some point, they apparently started leaking private email communications between them to a couple of on the job Canadian cops who were his online antagonists. Totally lacking in sympathy for him, I posted Pastor Niemoller's famous "first they came for the..." essay in response to his whiny complaints about the government messing with HIM. In reply, he posted, "What does that mean???" That about said it all.

Contrast this with my best shooting buddy (formerly 12th F-Class shooter in the WORLD). He'd lived in the U.S. for years, but when I met him, he hadn't shot since he was in Canadian Cadets in the '70s. I took him shooting. Pretty soon he bought an M1911. Then he started buying surplus military rifles. He currently has SO many surplus rifles, there are some that he literally hasn't seen or handled since he unboxed them at the gun store. Then he started bullseye handgun. Then he started long range shooting, moving from a sporterized M1896 Swedish Mauser, to a Remington 700 Varmint in 7-08mm, then several custom long range bolt guns, an AR15 service rifle and an AR15 "space gun".

Still my friend retains some of his Canadian "traits". Whenever somebody proposes new gun control, or repealing existing gun control, he ALWAYS predicts gloom and doom for the pro-gun side. It's like a reflex action. On the other hand, when local anti-gun hack Toby Hoover organized a protest against one of the main supporters of legal concealed carry here, he came out with the rest of us to overwhelm the anti-gun side and steal their thunder.

dodo bird
January 14, 2011, 11:58 AM
I figured out the problem. I read the article about Canadians and guns. You can also click on the bottom and read it in French. Do I really need to say anything else?

duncan
January 14, 2011, 12:00 PM
Guys, around Seattle, we have a lot of Canadians. And they are well armed here State-side

Omaha-BeenGlockin
January 14, 2011, 12:04 PM
Because they have their big brother the US to take care of them if something should REALLY go wrong---without having to take any real responsibility for their own well being---they are free to spew all the uninformed opinions they wish.

Make sence?

Robert
January 14, 2011, 12:17 PM
Wait, since when do people take Yahoo Answers seriously?

Zundfolge
January 14, 2011, 12:20 PM
A few thoughts.



The Canadian government is adamantly anti gun ... many folk tend to think of their governments as wise and as such assume if their government says its bad it probably is. We have this same problem down here.
If you look at Canadian media, most of it is government run and is additionally a few steps to the left of our media, so it tends to be a mouthpiece for the government's anti gun position (with little or no conservative media to dispute it).
If you look at commenters to even somewhat conservative newspapers you'll find that there is a disproportionately large percentage of them that are liberals (who are more likely to be anti gun) If you were to look at the comments posted on Colorado Springs Gazette articles you'd think Colorado Springs was as far to the left as Boulder (when in reality we're one of the most conservative/libertarian cities of its size in the country).
The simple fact is that antis tend to be louder than pro gun folk regardless of where you are, so when communicating with people far away via the internet you're more likely to run into those loud folk and assume they speak for the majority of their countrymen.

CoRoMo
January 14, 2011, 12:28 PM
The only thing I can add, is to quote a post that Zoogster made a while back. I think it applies.
99% of the population becomes antis after guns have been banned a generation or two. Even in places where guns previously had a lot of cultural support.

What does it prove? The best way to make a population support gun prohibition is to have gun prohibition.

Want people to support a ban on full auto? Put ownership of full auto out of reach of the average person and within a generation or two most will think it is crazy to freely allow it.
They will invent and repeat any logic to support the ban on the dangerous foreign object.

Put ownership of firearms in general out of reach of most people and within a generation or two most people will support extreme restrictions.
They will support keeping the dangerous foreign object out of the hands of most people.

I heard the same arguments about assault weapons after they been banned for almost a decade except by people that owned one. "Who needs 'assault weapons' when anything you need to do with a firearm can be done by these non-'assault' weapons".
Even by many gun owners. Now that the ban has sunset and several years have passed and such targeted firearms are more common that sentiment is disappearing.

Want to find the largest number of anti-gun people? Go to places that have had extreme firearm restrictions for a generation or two.
Some will be a little more for or against, but the majority will eventually be near the set standard.

Unfortunately it proves that people in general are easy to control. It is easy to make the population approve or disapprove of ideas or freedoms just by forcing them to adhere to one for a generation or two.
Many other places around the world have shown it too. Who would have thought a place like Australia with huge wide open landscape, a "bush" culture, and a population density relatively low overall would in a generation go from quite pro gun to primarily antis.
The population can easily be forced to adjust to a new "normal" that they base future acceptance of freedoms or liberties on.
Put legislation in place enough years and that becomes their new median in determining what is acceptable.
Some will stray a bit from that median, but most will not stray too far.

In the 1920s and 1930s the thought of restricting firearms in the way the NFA did was considered un-Constitutional by the majority. Most judges thought it would be thrown out as soon as it went to court. Even judges that supported the restrictions generally thought it would not pass Constitutional review.
Then the first time it was challenged and up for review (Miller case) the challenger dies before it gets to the Supreme Court. Nobody argues on his behalf. Even the Supreme Court acknowledges it would have been thrown out if someone could have submitted evidence such weapons were suitable in the "militia" or in the military (easy to do considering numerous short barreled shotguns had been used in WW1.) But that they could not consider evidence never submitted.
Then there was no similar challenges heard for decades, it became the new normal, and now it is firmly entrenched in the public's mind as normal and acceptable.
So simply by existing for a few generations it became the new normal. The median from which people draw their opinions.

Nushif
January 14, 2011, 12:47 PM
Because they have their big brother the US to take care of them if something should REALLY go wrong---without having to take any real responsibility for their own well being---they are free to spew all the unimformed opinions they wish.

Make sence?

You truly are an ambassador to your country with your deep insight and meaningful words.

CraigC
January 14, 2011, 01:03 PM
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ForumSurfer
January 14, 2011, 01:06 PM
Especially towards Southerners. People will mock the way they talk, etc.


Thanks to urban sprawl, we sometimes get that in our own hometowns these days.

Zundfolge
January 14, 2011, 01:07 PM
Or maybe its just that Canada is flipping insane. (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/13/dire-straits-money-ruled-offensive-canada/)

Unistat
January 14, 2011, 01:07 PM
Because they have never had to secure their freedom or lives by force of arms. Find the Canadians that have had to do so, individually because of environment or human attackers, and I doubt they will be anti-gun.

In the States, we still remember our Revolution and subsequent threats (well some of us do.) This memory and tradition, kept strong, will teach us that our founding fathers intended that firearms be used by the weak to protect themselves from the strong.

scaatylobo
January 14, 2011, 01:16 PM
I live on that border and have many Canadian friends,some are VERY pro - gun.

Back a few decades ago the Canandians could get a Niagara County CCW permit and they actually got the RTK&BA = in this country and NOT in theirs.

That eneded and now we cannot cross that border w/o arrst,same for them.

they do allow rifle's for hunting = period and since they dont allow handgun hunting - I dont try.

I vote with my dollar !.

A few close Norks [ endearing term for the Canadians ] that I shoot with do bemoan the loss of the RTK&BA,they once had.

A few wacko's did for them what the congress is trying to do to us [ sometimes ] .

The Canadian govt does cost them much money that I would spend there = IF allowed to at least have a gun in my possession while in the woods.

I do agree that they have a fairly low crime rate = but they also have a very low population :neener:.

pikid89
January 14, 2011, 01:20 PM
Quote:
Especially towards Southerners. People will mock the way they talk, etc.
Thanks to urban sprawl, we sometimes get that in our own hometowns these days.

ESPECIALLY in Florida

Ole Coot
January 14, 2011, 01:25 PM
Jealousy, giving them an elitist attitude and government dependence on decision making. Remember we had our citizens arm England during WWII and just maybe we may be called to help our neighbors to the North. Possibly they still either think they are an English colony or worse, French.

youngda9
January 14, 2011, 01:39 PM
That is the way they were programmed.

dodo bird
January 14, 2011, 01:40 PM
Had to watch the video again, great song.

Matt 357
January 14, 2011, 01:47 PM
No idea if this is true. Could be total BS. But here is another possible contributing factor to the USA vs Canada gun attitudes...

One theory is that back in the day Canadian settlements were established by the military. A fort was built and towns grew near the forts. Therefore citizens had law order and protection by the government. Of course in the wilderness, guns were needed for hunting and protection from "nature".

In the US, the west was settled more by citizens. Therefore citizens needed to defend themselve from each other as well as from "nature".

Any historians please jump in here.

obiwan1
January 14, 2011, 01:48 PM
Canadians are "subjects of the Crown" and think of themselves that way.
Americans are freemen and, until recently, thought of ourselves as such. I'm not sure of the current national mindset.:(

KodiakBeer
January 14, 2011, 02:14 PM
There isn't any "national mindset", it's just the same political divide we have in this country. The only difference is that a greater proportion of Canadians are liberals who think more government is better than more personal freedom, responsibility and initiative.

Speak to the average denizen of Manhattan or San Francisco and you'll find the same outlook.

bogie
January 14, 2011, 02:18 PM
A lot of people in urban environments think that golf courses are "the country" and parks are wilderness.

And with the population concentrated in cities, you get a pretty major skew - that's why the US uses the electoral congress in national elections... It tempers the power of the population centers.

merlinfire
January 14, 2011, 02:18 PM
I think it's unfair to assume that a nation of ~35 million people all feel the same way about something.

They still appear to have an awful lot of guns. Good thing too, since we've tried to invade them twice, if I remember.

GEM
January 14, 2011, 02:20 PM
Went to a business meeting in Toronto. We had to go around the table and talk about interests (to bond - :rolleyes:). The Canadians were horrified. However, a woman from Arkansas was cool with my description of IDPA as was some woman who did free fall skydiving - like the idea of the rush.

Don't think it aided my business prospects - oh, well.

McCall911
January 14, 2011, 04:18 PM
To me that's like saying Americans are anti-gun because we've had the AWB, the Brady Bill, the GCA of 1968, and any number of anti-gun legislations throughout the country. And when it comes to the American media, which do you hear more often? Pro-gun bias or anti-gun bias? Judging by what you hear from the American media, you'd think that the American people are generally anti-gun, save for some "good ole boy" types.

paperpuncher49
January 14, 2011, 05:03 PM
Come on, people. Quit stereotyping Canadians as if they are all the same. They are individuals and each one is entitled to his/her opinion. I have in my possession a superbly accurate Buckmark pistol. It belonged to my Canadian neighbor. When her husband died unexpectedly, she decided to sell her house in Florida nad in Toronto and move to BC. Although she loved target shooting, she could not take it back to Canada so it ended up in my care. Don't forget, we have our share of Barbara Boxers and Charles Schumers here in the states.................

KBintheSLC
January 14, 2011, 05:10 PM
They are tasting the poison that is gun control... they will learn in due time. I know that a lot of us like to poke fun at our Canadian neighbors, but they are not stupid in general. Remember, we American's suffered from the same mentality back in the 80's and 90's. Once we witnessed the failure's and pitfalls of gun control first hand, we started digging ourselves out. Sadly, it takes decades to undo the damage.

buck460XVR
January 14, 2011, 05:20 PM
Wait, since when do people take Yahoo Answers seriously?


.....and why would we judge the whole country by what a few internet commandos post?

bogie
January 14, 2011, 05:45 PM
Heh - fast way to educate a "city" non-gun person...

Watch your basic slasher movie with 'em.

"Well, this would be a short movie if they started it in -our- front yard!"

Most of them basically are only exposed to two types of people who possess firearms: Police and criminals (and they generally don't particularly like either...)

Harley Quinn
January 14, 2011, 05:50 PM
Snow Birds...
Canadians by the thousand come down to AZ for this event and stay for some time...

They don't have firearms and most feel the situation in America is one they discuss with vigor, or not, depending on the American who is involved:)

http://hubpages.com/hub/Quartzsite-AZ-for-RV-Snowbirds

henschman
January 14, 2011, 05:51 PM
I don't think it's just Canadians... it's really the whole rest of the world that is anti-gun compared to us. By world standards, Canada is one of the countries with the least amount of restriction on the kind of firepower citizens can own. You can buy a brand new Chinese M-14 there for less than $600.

The fact is that there is no other country in the world which was born out of a violent revolution against central authority, which began because of the government's attempt to disarm the citizens, during the golden age of libertarian thought.

Canada is actually rather typical of western countries when it comes to gun control. It is the U.S. that are the exception.

msb-ont
January 14, 2011, 07:35 PM
WOW

I have to say some of the replies made me laugh out loud. :)

Being a 45 yr old Canadian sportsman and avid shooter I'll do my best to shed some light.

For the record I can go to any store, any day and buy a long gun and or hand gun and leave with it, some of the restrictions are hand guns with a barrels shorter than 4.1", long guns shorter than 24" and automatic weapons. (there's more but i'm at work so i'm rushing)

The worst is we have no CCW anyware in Canada, If I take my hand gun off my property I need an ATT pemit and that allows me to take to the gun club and back.

Most of you are correct that we have too many bleeding heart Liberals but its a Conservative Government now, and even though they are not the majority they are trying to undo alot of the Liberal's propaganda lies.

Canada is a sportsmans paradise and tens of thousands of Americans hunt and fish here yearly, so bring your long guns,your fishing poles, your money and enjoy the Canada I love and not the Canada you read on Yahoo

merlinfire
January 14, 2011, 07:56 PM
Watch your basic slasher movie with 'em.

"Well, this would be a short movie if they started it in -our- front yard!"

Haha, too right.

msb-ont
January 14, 2011, 07:59 PM
One more topic to address,

Would you PLEASE tell your Anti-Gun Americans to stop pointing thier fingers at us saying we have more gun control and less crime so gun control must work, because our mis-informed city folk believe that $h1t.

Mark

stickhauler
January 14, 2011, 08:03 PM
I'd disagree that ALL Canadians are anti-gun, and agree that attitude is much more in urban areas than rural areas.

I truck up there a lot, mainly in Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and BC. Yes, around Montreal and Toronto, most people I talk to are fairly anti-gun, yet other drivers from different areas in Canada I talk with have much different attitudes about gun ownership.

I've went out to Calgary a few times, and was asked about where I went in Canada, and when I told them about trucking in Ontario & Quebec, was asked point blank "aren't those people over there a-holes?

The people of Alberta seemed to me just like those in Montana as far as gun issues, and the desire to live free apply.

I'd caution about using a broad brush to paint the people of Canada, I've met a good many fine people up there, that share our sentiments about gun ownership and use. They are cobbled by a left leaning government in their attempts to exercise a God given right as openly as we do.

In one of my first visits to Canada, I was asked if I knew why Canadians watered their lawn with WD-40. The answer? To keep the guns from rusting.

Hawthorne2k
January 14, 2011, 08:12 PM
Saying "Canadians" are anti-gun is like saying 'Why are Americans (insert name of behaviour here).

I was born and raised near Calgary, Alberta, and while I wasn't exposed to guns to the same extent I am here in Arizona, guns were a part of life growing up on the farm. From clearing a field of gophers with a .22 to harvesting a deer to going out after waterfowl, guns were/are as much a part of rural/western life in western Canada as they are in most of the U.S.

Do not mistake the attitudes of Canadians living in Montreal and Toronto with Canada as a whole (http://www.theshootingedge.com/). Canada does not have an elected Senate to balance out the excesses of the House of Commons, so whatever the large, traditionally anti-gun population centers of Ontario and Quebec want, they get, much to the chagrin of the gun-loving West.

Banta
January 14, 2011, 10:18 PM
Canada is not anti gun. Our major media is definitely left of center leaning so if you read articles or watch news clips you will generally get an anti gun bias. And, anytime they ask for peoples opinions about guns they usually talk to someone in Toronto or one of the Major Eastern cities here in Canada. It would be like asking people in San Francisco what they think of guns and than generalizing that this is the opinion of all Americans

I don't think you would find one Western country in the world that would allow a non citizen to enter their country with a gun or at least without doing lots of paperwork. I couldn't go into the US with a gun without filling out all of the proper BATF forms, in fact, the US has some of the most stringent export rules around when it comes to buying guns or gun parts. I cannot buy a gun, ammo, or any part even associated with a gun from a US dealer without doing a pile of paperwork. Is this because of Canadian laws? NOPE, it is strictly because of the US export laws. Under Canadian rules, there is no restriction as to what we can buy from the US with the exception of handgun magazines over 10 rounds, rifle magazines over 5 rounds and handgun barrels under 4". You would be surprised how many Canadians own handguns, AR's, etc. etc. You just don't hear about it broadcast over the airwaves as you probably would in the US.

Here is one of the Canadian firearm forums, you have to register to get access . Currently as I look there are 1,559 users online. That's pretty busy for a country that is "anti gun" in some peoples minds. There are also Canadians usually on every US gun forum.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/

metalman8600
January 14, 2011, 10:34 PM
Canada even highly restricts free speech. They also jail political activists. Canada is not as worse as Germany though when it comes to free speech and jailing political activists. Many people in Germany are arrested thought crimes. Yes I am being serious. So it is no surprise that they are also against guns.

Micro
January 14, 2011, 11:01 PM
Canadians oppose American gun ownership because it is in the Canadian nature to "not be American." Of course, our northern cousins are good folks. But they seem pre-occupied with "not being American."

Some time ago an essay was written called "Bomb Canada: The Case For War." Relax, it's a humorous look at US-Canadian differences. But it does go to the heart of the matter. Definitely recommended reading...

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2284226/Bomb-Canada-The-case-for.html

Slotback
January 14, 2011, 11:17 PM
I think it tends to be more rural vs urban mostly.

Larry E
January 14, 2011, 11:43 PM
My sons both live in Canada, and when they were little liked to go shooting with me. Now that they're older, nearly 40 and 42, they haven't shot for some time. My #2 son though loved to shoot prairie dogs, and still would if he ever finishes school and gets a job where he can take a vacation.

I think if someone went to NYC, San Fran, LA, Chicago, or most other large cities in states that are not "shall issue" that the attitudes would be very similar to those of Canadians living in Vancouver, Toronto, and Ottawa. A few years back my wife and I were in Alberta and I was amazed at the pro-gun bumper stickers on several cars.

heeler
January 14, 2011, 11:59 PM
I have always been bewildered by this.
A rather large nation by square mileage with acre upon acre of wilderness to this day.
You would think this sort of environment would bring forth the hardy individual who takes care of him/herself.
As a member of a few motorcycle forums I can tell you point blank I have been assailed numerous times by Canadian motorcyclists that think I am an absolute nut case for touring the nation armed or actually defending our nations 2nd amendment.
I just dont get it.
I really dont.
Fwiw I have a friend that lives in Switzerland who owns a Ruger 9mm semi pistol and shoots regulary.
Strange this world.

Sunray
January 15, 2011, 12:43 AM
"...Why are Canadians So Anti-Gun?..." Whoever told you that is very confused.
"...Yahoo question..." About as authoritative as Wikipedia. Answers.yahoo is full of kids.
"... the loss of the RTK&BA, they once had..." We've never had that right. We don't have and never have had the constitutional right to own any kind of property. It was specifically left out of Trudeau's constitution.
At one point, Trudeau saw his Party was going to lose the next election. So he opened the immigration gates to Third World Commonwealth countries. (Trudeau's buddy, Manley of Jamaica, promptly emptied his gaols just like Castro did.) Most of 'em live in TO and other cities. Those people still vote for his Party and believe everything they're told by the assorted governments. Most people, up here and Stateside, have never seen a real firearm and certainly know nothing about the laws. People fear what they don't know.
The only time they see or hear about firearms being used is in movies, TV and on the news. News reports, TV and movies rarely portray firearms use in anything but criminal activity.
Our current stupid firearms laws(Federal only. No Provincial or municipal laws) blatantly violates our Charter of Rights, but somebody has to be charged under our Firearms Act for a legal challenge to happen. Nobody has ever been charged under that Act.
Trudeau started the idea of the government looking after you from the cradle to grave too. Now everybody, big business included, runs to the government for everything.
"...Canadian media, most of it is government run..." Nonsense. Whoever told you that doesn't know what he's talking about.

Onmilo
January 15, 2011, 10:23 AM
Canadians per capita are no more anti gun than Americans.
The problem is there are far fewer Canadians than Americans and the most vocal tend to be the left leaning liberal city dwellers.

I know quite a few rural Canadians and they are by no means whatsoever antigun, quite the contrary.

ETA making a statement like that is also like saying most Australians are anti gun which is about as broad and untrue as a statement can get!!

alfack
January 15, 2011, 01:43 PM
Because half of them came from France! :)

IMTHDUKE
January 15, 2011, 01:48 PM
While visiting there I was told that if they encountered anyone that needed to be shot...they called the Americans.

ConstitutionCowboy
January 15, 2011, 01:55 PM
Why are Canadians So Anti-Gun?

I'm sure not all of them are anti-gun, but those that are anti-gun have the same affliction as the anti-gun folks here. :scrutiny: Brain damage. :what:

Woody

Evergreen
January 15, 2011, 10:40 PM
Interesting posts, quite different from what I expected. Especially, I thank the Canadian members for sharing their views.

Now, what I would like to ask is what do I have to do to carry a firearm for self-defense while I am travelling through the wilderness of Alberta and British Columbia? I have always dreamed of hiking around Mt Whistler, Banff National Park, as well as many of the other beautiful mountain and forest areas in these provinces. However, because of the remote location and the dangers of wildlife, I just cannot feel comfortable trekking through these areas unarmed.

I think I would probably want to carry a 12 ga shotgun with me in grizzly country and would also like to have my .44 mag as my sidearm, either loaded with 44 spl or 44 mag. I'm not sure how feasible this is in the Canadian wilderness. Would some type of hunting license allow for me to do this?

Perhaps, this should be a separate post in itself in the Legal forum. I am really interested to know what type of crazy legal procedures I would have to go through to be able to carry. Perhaps, National Parks are just off limits for carry in Canada. I can understand that , considering our own gun laws. Anyway, I would like to know how an American goes about proceeding with this, if it is at all possible.

jcwit
January 15, 2011, 11:32 PM
I bet you have to rent a rifle while there.

jcwit
January 15, 2011, 11:35 PM
While visiting there I was told that if they encountered anyone that needed to be shot...they called the Americans.


Now that right there is a super mindset for you closest neighbor and bigest trading pardner.

Really makes one want to rush up north and contribute to their tourist industry.

GEM
January 16, 2011, 02:04 PM
I do know progun Canadians but just a funny story. We hired a new guy from Canada and I was invited to go to lunch with him to make him feel at home.

He was a wise cracking type of guy. We asked him how he like Texas. He started a bit of routine about the differences. After all Toronto and TX are different. Been to Toronto quite bit, BTW.

So he says: You know you can get a permit to carry a gun in TX - :eek:.

He was ready to do a bit about how silly this was. But I said - OH, like this one!

He looked and was quiet. He only lasted a year or so.

pmeisel
January 16, 2011, 02:11 PM
Those Canadians I know tend to be more trusting of authority figures than most Americans I know.

Neverwinter
January 16, 2011, 03:44 PM
Now that right there is a super mindset for you closest neighbor and bigest trading pardner.

Really makes one want to rush up north and contribute to their tourist industry.
Some posters are forgetting that people living in glass houses should not throw stones.

KodiakBeer
January 16, 2011, 03:45 PM
I would like to know how an American goes about proceeding with this, if it is at all possible.

He bypasses Canada and goes to Alaska.

dogrunner
January 16, 2011, 04:00 PM
Bottom line is that the Fenian's were really right! Kick the damned British OUT of N.A.! Their mindset is both poisonous and contagious.

Far as the French go, I well remember being in Alaska in the 60's when the secessionist movement in Quebec was sounding really serious and I recall the Prime Minister of B.C. publicly stating that if Quebec did so, then B.C. would become the next U.S. State!!

Still, not all Canadians, French too, are opposed to the concept of owning and bearing......just as is the case here you've the ultra urbanite in direct contrast with the balance of the folks.............I recall an RCMP officer I once worked with telling me just how damned outlandish our fourth amendment was, said he never could get used to reading a warrant to a closed door! Then too, that guy was half French & half Scot, told me he used to write his reports in French for the English speakers and the reverse as well!!!!.............Real cultural divide there, fellows!

duncan
January 16, 2011, 10:14 PM
Dogrunner is right.

I spent five years working for a French company. Year after year we invited different Frenchmen to go shooting at the range and they refused. Told us that only police officers and the military should have guns. Really scared of guns. Glad I'm not around those few anymore.

But they love good food, good wine, and being outdoors - just not hunting - so we have that in common with them. Yeah, I love beer too and so do a few of them secretly. I'm glad to have known them for those experiences. Shooters the French are not.

BIG45-70
January 17, 2011, 12:27 AM
Our liberals here are just like your liberals down there. Gun ownership in Canada is as high as third in the world. We are very pro gun. Handguns are illegal for us to carry concealed or otherwise. For defensive use in the bush shotguns are used with very short barrel lengths (mines a rem 870 with a 12.5 inch) as they are legal and widely available. Handguns are used for target shooting and idpa, ipsc stuff. We also love the 303 british cartridge.

russ69
January 17, 2011, 12:27 AM
From my experience living in Toronto, the attitudes are similar to U.S. cities, maybe a little closer to San Francisco. The press is generally leftist so most of what you read is anti-gun. The people are split right down the middle just like here, with the conservatives having a very small voice.

Thanx, Russ

Calibre44
January 17, 2011, 03:03 AM
Dogrunner wrote: Bottom line is that the Fenian's were really right! Kick the damned British OUT of N.A.! Their mindset is both poisonous and contagious.

Well if thatís true Ö how come I have a gun safe full of guns in my house. The only poisonous thing around here is your prejudice.

Messenger Guard
January 17, 2011, 03:23 AM
As posted earlier, half came from France which has seen few conflicts it didn't wish to surrender in. The other half are the offspring of Tories which supported the King and were promptly thrown out of the United States by our gun toting ancestors. On a more serious note, they have bought into the liberal/socialist notion that the government will take care of them.....they have traded their freedom for security. At the core of gun owners psyche, we all known what that gets you.

snake284
January 17, 2011, 03:42 AM
I used to go up to Alberta and then over to Red Deer for work reasons. I tell you, there are a lot as you say, but then again there are those just like us there. A lot of hunters up there in Alberta. It's a beautiful place and riddled with big Whitetail, Muleys, Elk, and Moose. I knew one guy and his brother that worked for our company that always invited me to go hunting. I just never could make it happen. Heck one time I was in a restaurant eating and a guy came over to me and ask, "Are you from the U.S.? I said," yes how did you know?" He says, "Just a hunch." Anyway, then I found out he was a dentist and then he asked me to go goose hunting. Man I couldn't because I was on a job assignment, but my mouth was watering just thinking about it. What a friendly jesture, I couldn't believe it. Well, Red Deer is kinda in a Rural area out between Calgary and Edmonton, so I guess it doesn't reflect the Urban mindset.

snake284
January 17, 2011, 03:52 AM
Also, as for the Britts, go to the Guns and Ammo forum and you'll find some good ol' Britts there, gun owning and freedom loving as anybody here. We even have a guy named English Bob. Also we have Aussies and a few NZ guys. In fact we got together in Southern Tennessee this past Memorial Day on a guys farm for what has become known as the SE shoot and our favorite son of New Zealand came for that. He was a blast! Anyway we had a great time there.

Bottom line, everywhere you go you find liberal idiots and good solid folks whether in Europe, England, Canada, OR the U.S. They're EVERYWHERE They're EVERYWHERE! LOL!!!

Radagast
January 17, 2011, 07:28 AM
I think you will find that the majority of Canadians are not anti gun, they just don't have an informed opinion on the matter. In much the same way Americans can be surveyed and found to believe that better gun control laws are needed, but when asked about specifics they believe in the right to keep firearms at home & in CCW laws. In other words they just aren't informed as to the true situation and are basing opinions on the lies the media put out.

In Canada the chattering and political classes have a stronger lock on the spread of information than in the USA, their national media is very similar without the right/left/libertarian breaks seen in the USA. Also the status quo of their gun laws predates internet activism.

Canadas gun rights groups are strong and growing. A few years ago they beat a semi auto rifle ban before it was announced, last year they came within two votes of removing the Federal firearms registry with a private members bill, thats pretty much the equivalent of Ron Paul getting within two votes of reopening the machine gun register in the US Congress.

I expect the cause of freedom to advance in Canada, it may be decades before they go shall issue CCW, but it will happen. Its 23 years since Florida went shall issue and there are still a couple of states to change. Change does take time, especially when it requires gradual erosion of attitudes that have become ingrained over decades.

One thing that shooters from the USA should keep in mind is that ideas of freedom, or restrictions on freedom that become the mainstream accepted viewpoint in the USA end up being the mainstream viewpoint in the rest of the western world.

Just from an Australian perspective:
In the 60s the USA had the civil rights movement. At the same time Australia gave up on the 'white Australia' immigration policy and changed the constitution to give natives the vote.
In the 70s you had the push to legalize abortion via your supreme court, in Australia police stopped charging abortion doctors.
In the sixties and seventies soft core porn became socially accceptable (to a degree) in the USA. Within a couple of years the government censors were gone in Australia for the same type of product.
In the seventies and 80s there was the push to legitimise homosexuality. Ditto here.
In the 90s Clinton pushed to ban semi auto guns and after a massacre here in 1996 the Australian government did just that.
Currently there is a push to normalise homosexual marriage in the USA and the same is happening here. It hasn't yet been successful in the USA, or here.

Basically, freedoms, wether you consider them good or bad, that are normalised in the USA become the norm in the rest of the Anglosphere. When CCW is the norm in the USA, backed by Supreme Court rulings, then I expect it will slowly spread to places like Canada, New Zealand & Australia and later to other countries that try to emulate the freedoms of the USA. Of course, I may have to wait a couple more decades to see it, but I'm willing to wait. :)

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