Beretta 92 Handling Tips


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Skunkabilly
December 30, 2003, 05:19 PM
1. When disengaging the safety, don't flip up, push out.
Here's a tip if you are forced to carry this way or simply prefer to. I've seen some people unacquainted with the Beretta 92 and Smith autos try to disengage the safety flipping the safety up by cocking their thumb down then pushing up against the safety. The faster way to do this is pushing forward against it. When drawing, lay your thumb gown along your belt or mouth of your holster, and as the safety clears leather, your thumb will push down against the safety. This is similar to the forward and down sweeping stroke on the 1911 safety. The advantage to this is if you carry both slide and frame mounted safetied guns, your drawstroke is the same. Heck I draw my P7 with the same thumb motion just for consistency--but it works whether you have a Smith, Beretta, USP or 1911. Pushing forward also brings you almost into a shooting grip once the safety is disengaged so you don't have to flip your thumb up then bring it back down.

2. Racking the slide
When grabbing the slide, don't put all of your hand on the gun like you would with a 1911, USP, Sig or anything else with a slick slide. Reason being is you end up grabbing the safety and not the serrations. I've read accounts of folks engaging the safety as they were racking the slide, but this is hearsay; this has never happened to me as the decock only models which I carry have stronger springs on the safety. Instead, curve your hand so instead of it being rested on the slide as you would normally work it, the heel of your hand and your fingertips are on the serrations. It feels unnatural, but the safety is there so you're forced deal with it one way or another but it becomes second nature after a while, trust me. Most of the force exerted by your hand should be on the serrations; it is almost inevitable your hand will contact the slide, but the force exerted backwards should be on the serrations. If you have an Elite model, you'll find the front cocking serrations don't help for anything but presschecks since the barrel gets hot :)

3. Keeping your thumb off that slide release.
If your Beretta fails to lock back, chances are you're hitting the slide release when the gun flips. One way is to cock your thumb back at an angle instead of resting it on your support hand against the gun. This puts your thumbtip farther back but if you have long joints, I guess the safety could skin the top of your thumb. Ouch. Another method that 9mmepiphany showed me was to rest your thumb over the thumb of your other hand. It works well but what I don't like is your other hand has to be in position then you have to readjust--disclaimer being I haven't given this style a fair shake as I only tried it once or twice. Try it out and see if it feels natural for you. Of course, using the traditional thumbs down on top of each other around the mag release won't cause the problem in the first place. Thanks c00l9mm, I was thinking about it but neglected to add it.

4. (Un)natural pointability
If you're a stickler for pointability, you may find that if you have small paws, your 92 will point to the right. This is because of the large heel, so probably won't apply to you Vertec shooters. If you dont' already, try using a modified isoceles stance. When you swing your gun in to the centerline, the gun will point forward, since your arm is pointing slightly left because you're bringing it to the center.

5. Presschecks
Because the spring on the slide is so light, if you do a presscheck you may kick out a round. You could cock the hammer back then work the slide, but there's another way. Make a peace sign with your support hand. Grab both sides of the safety with your middle and index finger, and the beavertail with your thumb like a syringe and pull back that way. This is my preferred method. It's not THE way, it's just A way.


Well, hope this makes sense without pictures. I'm on lunchbreak at work so don't have access to my camera (or gun :p ) If you're forced to carry the gun by department policy, hopefully this will make your life easier, and if you carry one because you like it, hopefully it'll help you shoot more efficiently.

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cool45auto
December 30, 2003, 06:09 PM
Good tips, Skunk.

1. I do flip up so I'll try the push out method.

2. I usually pinch the front on the slide where it narrows around the end of the barrel. I hold my hand up over the barrel with my thumb on the left side and middle and index fingers on the right and rack it that way. You can use the same hold further back on the slide but be careful if you've been shooting awhile cause the barrel will scorch ya'!

3. I curl the front of my right thumb down with my left over it to where they're both pointing down so I haven't had this problem.

4. Vertec here so I don't have the heel either.

5. That's exactly how I do mine. "Like a syringe" was a good way to put it.

Hey Skunk, I would like to see some pics of what kind of grip you use on your guns.

dsk
December 30, 2003, 06:27 PM
Just go with a 1911 and avoid all the hassle. :D




Sorry Skunk, I couldn't help myself. :neener:

It took years before the US military had developed an effective manual of arms for the 1911. Perhaps by now they have developed one for the M9?

Skunkabilly
December 30, 2003, 08:27 PM
DSK LOL :D

10-Ring
December 30, 2003, 09:35 PM
Skunkster - well said, clear & concise! Will this translate to your USPc 9 too? :neener: Happy tactical New Year dude!

tsenn
December 31, 2003, 12:09 AM
Good tips. I'm still trying to decide between the 92fs, the Brig or the Elite, for a home and range gun. Which one????????

clubsoda22
December 31, 2003, 05:03 AM
Reasons why i like my taurus PT92

1) Invalid

2) Invalid

3) Never had the problem, but i'm a lefty so that doesn't count :D

4) Ok, it's the same gun in that respect.

5) My gun has loaded chamber indicator, i could have swore beretta's had them too (they did last time i checked). Tell me, what's the point of a press check if you can both feel and see the indication that the gun is indeed loaded with a round chamber? The gun doesn't even need to come out of most holsters to do the check. (Since i'm a lefty and the holster has a body shield, mine needs to come out all of 2 inches.) It's a feature of the gun, and is a completely reliable way to check the status of your chamber, use it!

schadenfreude
December 31, 2003, 05:44 AM
My Vertec has the loaded chamber indicator. The top of the extractor is red so if you see red it's chambered.

I'm going to try out the safety tip thanks :)

Obiwan
December 31, 2003, 11:13 AM
Now I remember why I sold my 92FS:D

And all my other DA/SA autos

Seriously...nice concise list...and very wise of you to point out ;

A Way...not THE way

Skunkabilly
December 31, 2003, 12:26 PM
IMO the Beretta is against the design philosophies in what I consider an ideal handgun...but for some reason I shoot it better than anything else I've owned before--1911s and HKs mainly.

Clubsoda the 92s have chamber indicators but it's so hard to clean the crap that ends up covering the paint--and honestly I don't trust the thing. The reason I'm doing a presscheck is because I don't trust my memory (or other mechanical indicators) with my life. :)

Schadenfreude how do you keep that thing clean enough to see the red paint? I can't figure out a way to do it without a third hand :o

cool45auto
December 31, 2003, 10:09 PM
As soon as I get back from the range I field strip my gun to clean it. While I'm cleaning the slide I put in an empty shell to hold the extractor out and use a toothbrush that's just for this job and scrub the exposed part of the extractor.

jimmyjoebob
January 1, 2004, 12:40 AM
I just carry my 92G, safety issues no more!:D

denfoote
January 1, 2004, 12:44 AM
I knew there was several reasons why I KEPT the Taurus!!
The Beretta went bye bye a LOOOOONG time ago!!:D

sm
January 1, 2004, 12:58 AM
:D LOL

Skunkabilly
January 1, 2004, 05:19 AM
As soon as I get back from the range I field strip my gun to clean it. While I'm cleaning the slide I put in an empty shell to hold the extractor out and use a toothbrush that's just for this job and scrub the exposed part of the extractor.

OMG that's so obvious, I can't believe I didn't think of that sooner :banghead:

Gotta love the Internet :)

clubsoda22
January 1, 2004, 09:14 AM
Clubsoda the 92s have chamber indicators but it's so hard to clean the crap that ends up covering the paint--and honestly I don't trust the thing. The reason I'm doing a presscheck is because I don't trust my memory (or other mechanical indicators) with my life.

cool9 has the right idea for cleaning it, also, it's very easy to feel.

In defense of using the Loaded chamber indicator, despite being a mechanical device, it's simply controlled by tension on the extractor. If the LCI fails, you have much bigger problems, specifically, you're extractor is screwed up and your gonna be having a lot of FTE's.

This is not some complex rube goldberg device.

EricO
January 2, 2004, 07:27 AM
Skunk, in low light or complete darkness, what is your preferred chamber check (tactile/feel) method. Utilizing your syringe method, you can replace your index finger with your thumb, and then allow your forefinger to straighten and feel the chambered round. Or do you break your strong hand grip slightly and allow your trigger finger to snake around and up to touch the chambered round? Or perhaps an overhand method and touch with a support hand finger? I'm curious what Beretta users do on this tech.
EricO

clubsoda22
January 2, 2004, 12:10 PM
um, as i was saying, just use the loaded chamber indicator. If you feel the bump, there's a bullet in your chamber.

EricO
January 2, 2004, 12:42 PM
Clubsoda22: There are plenty of people out here who don't always trust things like loaded chamber indicators and prefer a different technique. I will always prefer to see and touch the actual round. Different strokes for different folks.

EricO

Skunkabilly
January 2, 2004, 12:46 PM
Clubsoda
In defense of using the Loaded chamber indicator, despite being a mechanical device, it's simply controlled by tension on the extractor. If the LCI fails, you have much bigger problems, specifically, you're extractor is screwed up and your gonna be having a lot of FTE's.

Thanks Club, I actually never thought of it that way :) Makes sense, but since I'm no genius when it comes to gun mechanics, it failed to dawn on me until you mentioned it :o

EricO

Skunk, in low light or complete darkness, what is your preferred chamber check (tactile/feel) method. Utilizing your syringe method, you can replace your index finger with your thumb, and then allow your forefinger to straighten and feel the chambered round. Or do you break your strong hand grip slightly and allow your trigger finger to snake around and up to touch the chambered round?

I do the latter, I pull it back farther enough so my index finger can reach...I think. Honestly it's been a long time since I've done a presscheck in the dark. I might have done it the way i used to by cocking the hammer, pressing back using the front cocking serrations and putting the index finger in that way. It's been months :o

Skunkabilly
January 4, 2004, 09:46 PM
added a video.

First segment shows flipping up then pushing forward, then the pinchcheck. :)

http://www.skunkabilly.com/videos/berettahandling.wmv

cool45auto
January 5, 2004, 02:04 AM
Thanks for the visual, Skunk!:cool:

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