SHOT Day 3 - Rohrbaugh


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Justin
January 20, 2011, 05:48 PM
Eric Rohrbaugh was cool enough to take enough time to completely explain the process of how their pistols are built. They're extremely well-constructed, and if you're not already aware of Rohrbaugh, their claim to fame is that they build the smallest 9mm semi-auto pistol on the market.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_OEmBa9Mf4x8/TTimno2x2GI/AAAAAAAABqk/pOt9Bo3kACY/s800/IMG_6164.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_OEmBa9Mf4x8/TTimn9OMkGI/AAAAAAAABqo/3Clit-XV500/s800/IMG_6165.JPG


I know that a lot of people like the Rohrbaugh guns, and having handled them, it's pretty obvious why they've got a strong following.

Also, in talking with Eric he mentioned that they're in the very early phases of preparing to design a pistol in .45 ACP. No prototypes yet, but you can pretty well be sure that whatever they design will be an excellent piece of work.

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lobo9er
January 21, 2011, 10:05 AM
is it smaller than the boberg? not that we will ever see a boberg in person.

oneounceload
January 21, 2011, 10:29 AM
Here's a chart showing comparisons:

http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

LCPor9mm
January 21, 2011, 12:03 PM
For all intents and purposes they are the same (within .01"). The Boberg will have the advantage of a longer barrel with increased performance. They also claim less recoil with their design. I am expecting the craftmanship to be similar for both guns. The grip on the Boberg looks a little larger to me.....which is a good thing IMO.

InkEd
January 21, 2011, 12:34 PM
The Boberg is vaporware. Believe it when I see it and probably still won't be amazed. They haven't even brought a horse to the track and the race is already been ran.

I wonder how often they will suggest changing the spring in a .45acp version?

The R9 is a well made boutique gun. However, I think since people can now buy guns that are really close in size and designed to be used more, like the PM9, it's going to be hard for them.

JohnBT
January 21, 2011, 09:02 PM
They've sold all they can make so far. Where's the problem? There is always a market for quality.

Who cares how often you have to change the spring, it's not a range gun and the price of a spring is $4.95.

I know, I know, but an xyz would have been cheaper and they're just as good. I've heard that song and dance for 4 years and I still have no regrets and I bought my R9 used. :) Only a complete idiot would buy a 12.8-ounce gun and think that they had a range blaster.

Great gun. Mine is an older one and came with black carbon fiber grips.

John

DeepSouth
January 21, 2011, 09:09 PM
Also, in talking with Eric he mentioned that they're in the very early phases of preparing to design a pistol in .45 ACP. No prototypes yet, but you can pretty well be sure that whatever they design will be an excellent piece of work.

PLEASE!!!!! Keep us informed on this one. I will SOOOO buy one, If it is smaller than my PM45. I have this strange obsession with compact 45's.

maestro pistolero
January 21, 2011, 09:40 PM
I wonder how the new tiny Kimber 9mm would compare on that chart?

Mayo
January 21, 2011, 09:47 PM
The only "negative" I could see on the Kimber is the 1.2" width---not quite slim enough IMO.

oneounceload
January 21, 2011, 09:47 PM
The shape of the Rohrbaugh is what has my attention since I prefer pocket carry and any extended rear area tens to snag when removing it from the pocket

Justin
January 21, 2011, 10:40 PM
I'll be completely honest here. I think most of the people who are critical of this gun haven't actually handled one.

They're extremely well made, thouroughly thought through, tiny as all get out, and shoot 9mm. Frankly, as much as I like the Kahrs, the Rohrbaugh is smaller and handier.

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JohnBT
January 22, 2011, 01:02 PM
To compare the specs:


Solo R9

BBL: 2.7" 2.9"

H: 3.9" 3.7"

L: 5.5" 5.2"

W: 1.2" (measured by me with a Starrett: slide = .81", grips = .96")

Trigger: 7# listed by Kimber, (5# 3 oz. average on a Lyman digital just now)

Mag capacity for both is 6.

Solo has a safety lever, the R9 does not.

(I was surprised to see the R9 with a longer barrel in the shorter gun.)

geekWithA.45
January 22, 2011, 02:38 PM
I've handled and shot these pistols, and among the micro/pocket 9's, they're my favorite to fondle, and the one I like to shoot the least. They are most recoilsome.

I so want them to be better at being a gun. Even vestigial sights would be an improvement.

Gramps300
January 22, 2011, 02:54 PM
I'll stick with my smaller and way cheaper KelTec P3AT. It's never failed me yet.

IMTHDUKE
January 22, 2011, 03:01 PM
They've sold all they can make so far. Where's the problem? There is always a market for quality.

Who cares how often you have to change the spring, it's not a range gun and the price of a spring is $4.95.

I know, I know, but an xyz would have been cheaper and they're just as good. I've heard that song and dance for 4 years and I still have no regrets and I bought my R9 used. Only a complete idiot would buy a 12.8-ounce gun and think that they had a range blaster.

I own both of these....I perfer and carry the R9.

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/BlackRose_best.jpg

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/Robar.jpg

JohnBT
January 22, 2011, 07:15 PM
"I'll stick with my smaller and way cheaper KelTec P3AT."


Fine by me, but these aren't .380. If somebody offered you an R9 for free... would you carry it?

I'll give you a deal on a hardchromed P-32 with a SN in the 12xxx range. ;) It would be lighter and cheaper.

W L Johnson
January 22, 2011, 08:10 PM
I'll stick with my smaller and way cheaper KelTec P3AT. It's never failed me yet.
An R9 will almost hide under a P3AT, it's really that small, just a little wider. Plus it is 9mm (9x19mm) vs the P3AT's 380 (9x17mm). I have both, well should say had, sold the P3AT after buying the R9.

JohnBT
January 22, 2011, 08:55 PM
What the heck, I looked it up.

P3AT R9

L: 5.2" 5.2"

H: 3.5" 3.7"

W: .77" (slide = .81", grips = .96")

BBL: 2.7" 2.9"

Sure, the weights are different, but a 9mm requires a heavier slide and spring.

InkEd
January 23, 2011, 03:50 AM
I have handled one and it was nice. However, if I can't practice regularly with a gun it is of no use for me. Critical parts shouldn't wearout that fast. Sorry. If you have one and enjoy great. I just prefer a "working breed" gun.

JR956678
January 23, 2011, 09:05 AM
Even vestigial sights would be an improvement.

There are two different models of the Rohrbaugh:

The R9 is the one you see pictured - it doesn't have sights.

The R9s does have sights. The vast majority of Rohrbaughs sold are the version with sights. They are pretty vestigial however very functional and the gun is capable of surprising accuracy.

I've shot a Rohrbaugh both with and without sights and while mine has them I would say you probably don't need them. Most situations where the gun would be deployed for its intended purpose will be point and shoot and you wouldn't be using sights even if you have them.

JohnBT
January 23, 2011, 09:36 AM
Why can't you practice regularly? Too cheap?

"Critical parts shouldn't wearout that fast."

That's the trade off when you build a 9mm that weighs less than a Kahr PM9.

Recoil springs are designed to be replaced. All gun manufacturers sell replacement recoil springs. The R9 doesn't stop working, malfunction or break if you exceed the recommended replacement interval.

So what's your excuse now, still won't spend $4.99 for a spring?


Speaking of the PM9, I just looked up the cost of the spring maintenance kit for the PM9 I was looking at when I lucked into the used R9 4 years ago.

"Kahr PM Series Spring Maintenance Kits (PM9 OLD STYLE)
Spring maintenance kit includes side panel screw, trigger bar spring, slide stop spring, slide stop spring screw and washer, magazine catch spring, recoil spring, recoil spring assembly, striker spring, striker block spring, and extractor spring.

$56.00"

Now there's a deal. :)

John

Kahr customer service said 1000-1500 rounds. http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2812

W L Johnson
January 23, 2011, 10:17 AM
It's a Rohrbaugh thing, you wouldn't understand. :neener:

And as far as the spring goes, you're removing it every time you clean the gun anyway, so how hard is it to replace. I would rather have a $5 spring take the abuse than have the frame take it, it's only a 13.5 oz 9mm! Until someone else comes up with a 9mm that matches or beats the R9, in size and weight, the R9 is King of the pocket 9 hill (IMHO).

As far as recoil goes, it not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be, if you know how to work with the recoil instead of fighting against it, keep a firm grip but don't lock up, too many people lock up all their joints. I find it to be better recoil wise than the NAA Guardian 380 (straight blowback) I had, that thing hurt to shot, and that was a 18oz 380. Sold it after the first range trip.

Oh, and people harp on the fact you can't use +p ammo, IMHO +p would be wasted in a 2.9 inch barrel anyway, only resulting in more muzzle blast.

Mike OTDP
January 23, 2011, 03:55 PM
I found recoil tolerable on mine...but the muzzle climb is ferocious. NOT a gun for a fast follow-up shot.

But the workmanship is exquisite.

David E
January 23, 2011, 04:03 PM
the race is already been ran.

Almost a great line......

Justin
January 24, 2011, 12:14 PM
But the workmanship is exquisite.

Yeah, one thing that photos can't really show you is the workmanship on these things. I see a lot of complaints around here from people about how they don't build guns like they used to. The Rohrbaugh pistols are clear proof that quality gun builders still exist.

"I'll stick with my smaller and way cheaper KelTec P3AT."

Nothing wrong with that, I suppose. But speaking as someone who owns several 9mm pistols and not a single .380, I'd much rather have a gun that shoots the same ammo as most of my other pistols, rather than having to purchase ammunition, reloading components, dies, a tool head and powder drop for yet another caliber.

JohnBT
January 24, 2011, 05:38 PM
"the workmanship"

When I bought mine in '07 my father was 85 and had just moved to assisted living and given me all of his guns. I found the used R9 a block from his new home and immediately took it up the street to show him.

He handled the R9, looked it over, dry fired it and got a look on his face that telegraphed the question that was coming. "And how much did you have to pay for this little work of art?"
I told him $900 used and he just nodded and said, "I figured it had to be up in the Python range."

Fwiw, over his entire lifetime his favorite three guns were a Model 12 20 ga., a blue 6" Python and a Model 17.

G.A.Pster
January 26, 2011, 12:37 AM
I would’ve bought one instead of a PM9 but having to replace the recoil spring every 100 rounds, gives me the impression it’s an overstressed gun.

IMTHDUKE
January 26, 2011, 10:56 AM
And as far as the spring goes, you're removing it every time you clean the gun anyway, so how hard is it to replace. I would rather have a $5 spring take the abuse than have the frame take it, it's only a 13.5 oz 9mm! Until someone else comes up with a 9mm that matches or beats the R9, in size and weight, the R9 is King of the pocket 9 hill (IMHO).

The recoil myth never dies....why not ask some one who actually owns and fires one instead of pontificating that the recoil has to be changed every 100 rds...were goin to finally get it down to every other rd. I have about 500 rds on my spring...may change it out soon. Good Grief Charlie Brown....at least read the Rohrbaugh site that says...every 200 rds.

W L Johnson
January 26, 2011, 12:43 PM
For the few Rohrbaugh owners there are out there, myself included, the spring is a complete non-issue. Replacing a $5 spring every 200 to 500 rounds is just part of owning the gun. The R9 is not a range toy, you are not blasting a thousand rounds through it on a normal trip to the range.

Maybe the reason no one else has release a 9mm as light as the R9 is that no one has found a better way of dealing with the stress of firing 9mm out of such a light frame. Has anyone ever heard of an R9 wearing out, I haven't.

sdlsaginaw
January 26, 2011, 01:53 PM
The whole spring thing has been misunderstood and misrepresented for years. Some have even gone so far as to claim the pistol is only good for a total of 200 rounds!

The R9 was designed from the beginning as a "my life is on the line" pistol. Absolute simple mechanism. No buttons/latches to catch on draw. Heal mag release so you can't accidently eject the mag in a panic.

The spring is not only highly stressed, it's also critical to the timing of the slide. Following naturally with the above design principal, the spring replacement recomendation should be well below ANY chance where the pistol operation could be affected.

So, it's not that the spring is junk. It's not that the spring will break at 200 rounds. It's that beyond 200 rounds you have an statistically increased chance of misfeed during that "my life is on the line" moment. All for a $5 part.

Squid
January 26, 2011, 06:36 PM
I owned an R9. Yes ridiculously expensive for a pocket gun and I found the recoil springs were generally better replaced before suggested by the manufacturer. That being said, it was a beautifully made pistol. Quality was second to none. I sold it though. I dont regret it either. Its just not necessary when you consider how a pocket gun lives its life. Now I pocket carry a smith 640. Half the price and utterly reliable.

JohnBT
January 27, 2011, 09:11 AM
"Its just not necessary when you consider how a pocket gun lives its life."

It's necessary for me. Is there something you know that I don't? :)

I haven't sold my 649 and 442, but I haven't carried either one since early 2007.

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