Nice To Have Him Out Of The Closet - The Terrorists WON


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CGofMP
December 31, 2003, 12:05 AM
If there is any doubt in your mind that our government is willing to allow a mindset which is in keping with all of our fears, that of 'the end justifies the means' IRREGARDLESS of what our hallowed constitution says.... I am hereby gently notifying you that you are allowing yourself to live in a dream world.

IF the story posted here http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031231/D7VP2J200.html
is correct, I opine that the good governor is at best a statist and dare I say a totalitarian? I am sure he is not alone....

The quote:

New Jersey Gov. James E. McGreevey warned revelers headed to New York City to expect long delays at bridges and tunnels - and to prepare for random stops and searches.

"We understand this may infringe on civil liberties but most of all we have a responsibility to keep our families safe," he told CNN.


Excuse me? Did I hear that right?

We understand this may infringe on civil liberties....
We understand this may infringe on civil liberties....
We understand this may infringe on civil liberties....

When one in a position of power fully understands that they are infringing on civil rights, and willfully continues on planning the comission of this act, does that not mean that this person is wilfuly and wontonly abandoning the constitution and violating federal law?

The the second 'suggestion' in the constitution will be totally ignored soon too. In fact, in my opinion, during the east coast 'sniper' shootings it was!

Enjoy your random searches people these will not be the last... Franklin's oft quoted words ring in my ears...

They that would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

How many more stupid laws and illegal actions are we willing to allow from our elected officials under the thin disguise of 'protecting us from terrorists'. Indeed we are allowing our government to do exactly what it is that the terorists had hoped for... and more!

The saudi/persian/arab/muslim/terrorists HATE all we stand for, they HATE our religious freedoms, they HATE our freedom of speech, and they HATE our freedom to choose our own form of government. They would replace ALL of what our grandfatehrs fought for and WON in WW2 (rememebr the totalitarians named tojo and hitler who wanted the same thing) with a muslim-based theocracy if possible. In order to do that they have to break down a social structure that insures the rejection of any totalitarian theocracy. They are getting their way because the bliss-ninnies in this country are AFRAID, and the real tests and REAL terror has not yet even begun on a wide scale YET.

While I doubt the muslims would achieve their own zealous goals, what is instead being achieved is a totalitarian state... dare I say a police state. Though it will not turn out their way in the end, they ARE getting what they want. The destruction of the United States society as we know it.

I'll close my diatribe with a quote from Lincoln. As true today, even moreso than it was when he said it.


"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step over the ocean,
and crush us at a blow? Never! -- All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa
combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their
military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take
a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a
Thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be
expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It
cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be
its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all
time, or die by suicide."

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7.62FullMetalJacket
December 31, 2003, 12:47 AM
It is a big country. After 9/11 many businesses moved out of NY. The internet has allowd a dispersal effect. After these "infringements" many more will leave (as well as people) New York and New Jersey (Place your People Republik Of " " here). Then the McGreevey's of the world will have no power. Until then, grab the popcorn and enjoy the show. People get what they ask for. People can also take back the power.

Ryder
December 31, 2003, 03:33 AM
If there's any one type of person in this country who you can bet won't walk the talk it is a politician. Read their lips. :fire:

whoami
December 31, 2003, 08:03 AM
I'm guessing it is true. I had to travel a few times through to JFK airport, and I'd noticed that there's an elevated police presence. The AM stations covering the NJ Turnpike are chock full of the same message (you 'may' be searched) and the electronic boards are filled with either 'Expect Delays to NYC/Vehicles May Be Searched' messages or 'Report Suspicious Activity/Call 1 888 4NJ SAFE"

Also, you've got to remember two things. This is James McGreevey, who never met a constitutional principal he believed in, and NJ, who's courts never met a law they didn't rewrite.

RAY WOODROW 3RD
December 31, 2003, 08:25 AM
Welcome to my state! NOW BEND OVER AND SPREAD 'EM!

I love it. Everbody else now gets a sample of what it is like to be a gun owner in this state of mine minus the finger printing, 6 month wait, and the $49.00 OH, its going up in 2004 to $54.00 for the finger print processing fee.

DO WHAT THE NICE OFFICER SAYS NOW!

Beren
December 31, 2003, 09:02 AM
It's almost enough to make you want to drive through NJ/NY and decline permission to search just to see what happens next.

Obiwan
December 31, 2003, 09:48 AM
Did everyone JUST wake up????

How long have drunk driving check lanes existed?????

Like YEARS......

geekWithA.45
December 31, 2003, 12:14 PM
And any of us who are awake and paying attention, and decline the searches are certain to be selected for closer scrutiny as unpatroitic, suspicious characters.

http://www.flexyourrights.com/

Malone LaVeigh
December 31, 2003, 02:39 PM
Funny you should quote Lincoln on that, since he didn't have much problem with suspending the constitution long enough to squash that pesky little rebellion.

El Tejon
December 31, 2003, 03:03 PM
Wonder when the New Jersey State po-po (who scare the hell out of me everytime I see them) will be allowed to go door to door to keep our families safe?

Terrorists or government, terrorists or government??? Hmmm. . . .

Zedicus
December 31, 2003, 03:53 PM
I have Said it before an I'll say it again...

"The Biggest Insult to the Human Race is those who are Ignorant By Choice"

and unfortunitly it is that type of garbage who are getting nearly all of the pubicity, and many of the positions of authority...:barf::banghead:

Bill Hook
December 31, 2003, 05:11 PM
After these "infringements" many more will leave (as well as people) New York and New Jersey (Place your People Republik Of " " here). Then the McGreevey's of the world will have no power.

And they move elsewhere and bring the mental pollution they acquired back in their socialist hellholes, opening the door for the "kalifornication," to apply the term loosely, to happen at their new destination.

People get what they ask for. People can also take back the power.

Most want security rather than freedom.

CGofMP
December 31, 2003, 06:16 PM
And they move elsewhere and bring the mental pollution they acquired back in their socialist hellholes, opening the door for the "kalifornication," to apply the term loosely, to happen at their new destination.

Mr. Hook.....

A Californian (who desperately would like to leave this hellhole) STARTED this thread. I daresay that should THIS and many other residents of similar mindset be able to find a worthwhile job and escape this drek filled state that you would be proud of the new neighbor.... Mental polution certainly is a risk, but please do not paint us all with the same brush. I rather suspect that I am more libertarian minded and constitution oriented than MOST of the folks you will find in many of the states you wish to protect from 'us'.

With respect,
Charles

PS: To the poster about Lincoln, I do indded agree with you. While I am glad the states did stay together, I do not approve of his ways. In fact, the proof of HIS OWN WORDS are in his actions. That is to say, HE was the threat to personal rights, not a foreign government. My quotes from others are not to cannonize the man that made them but to acknowledge the truth of the rhetoric itself.

seeker_two
December 31, 2003, 10:33 PM
Funny you should quote Lincoln on that, since he didn't have much problem with suspending the constitution long enough to squash that pesky little rebellion.

...and made it a Presidential tradition in times of crisis ever since.

Thanks for the reminder, Malone. ;)

labgrade
January 1, 2004, 01:11 AM
& although known way before, the TRT warned y'all about all this early '00

Most nobody listened, nobody cared.

Welcome to the "naughts-years" & a personal home/car/personal invasion.

"If you resist, you must have somethng to hide."

BOHICA, friends & neighbors.

Lick it up & learn to like the taste of spit, & a boot on your neck forever.

If nothing else, you did ask for it - by doing absolutely nothing to prevent it.

& you got exactly what you wanted by sitting on yer a$$, voting for the lesser of the two evils.

You know what to do, but are just too uncertain to do it, no?

w4rma
January 1, 2004, 01:17 AM
USA PATRIOT Act as Passed by Congress - HR 3162 (Oct. 25, 2001)
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011025_hr3162_usa_patriot_bill.html

Repeal the USA Patriot Act

This is the first in a six-part series of articles on the USA Patriot Act: “Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism.”

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.02A.JVB.Patriot.htm

USA Patriot Act powers prompt second look

Secret court subpoenas, examinations of bookstore records, revised immigration policies and other uses of sweeping new powers have some Senate Democrats taking a new critical look at the USA Patriot Act, enacted in the aftermath of Sept. 11.

http://www.hillnews.com/050102/patriot.shtm

… Viet Dinh (http://www.usdoj.gov/olp/vietdinh.htm), the former assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Policy at the Justice Department. He helped draft the Patriot Act …
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec03/patriot_8-19.html


In May 2001, with the appointment of Assistant Attorney General Viet D. Dinh (http://www.usdoj.gov/olp/vietdinh.htm[/url), Attorney General John Ashcroft restored the name of the office as the Office of Legal Policy and confirmed its principal policy role within the Department.
http://www.usdoj.gov/olp/history.htm

A Chilly Response to 'Patriot II'

Unlike its hastily passed predecessor, the Justice Department's wide-ranging follow-up to the Patriot Act of 2001 is already facing intense scrutiny, just days after a civil rights group posted a leaked version of the legislation on its website.

The legislation, nicknamed Patriot II, would broadly expand the government's surveillance and detention powers. Among other measures, it calls for the creation of a terrorist DNA database and allows the attorney general to revoke citizenship of those who provide “material support” to terrorist groups.

Privacy advocates said the bill “gutted the Fourth Amendment,” while prominent Democratic senators, including Patrick Leahy, ranking Democratic member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, immediately chastised the administration for its secrecy.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57636,00.html

Patriot Act II Resurrected?

Congress may consider a bill that not only expands the government's wiretapping and investigative powers but also would link low-level drug dealing to terrorism and ban a traditional form of Middle Eastern banking.

The draft legislation -- titled the Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist Organizations Act of 2003, or Victory Act -- includes significant portions of the so-called Patriot Act II, which faced broad opposition from conservatives and liberals alike and embarrassed the Justice Department when it was leaked to the press in February.

The Victory Act also seems to be an attempt to merge the war on terrorism and the war on drugs into a single campaign. It includes a raft of provisions increasing the government's ability to investigate, wiretap, prosecute and incarcerate money launderers, fugitives, "narco-terrorists" and nonviolent drug dealers. The bill also outlaws hawalas, the informal and documentless money transferring systems widely used in the Middle East, India and parts of Asia.

A June 27 draft of the bill, authored by Sen. Orrin Hatch (http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/) (R-Utah) and co-sponsored by four fellow Republicans on the Judiciary Committee, has been circulating in Washington, D.C.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60129,00.html

… link to a draft of the Victory Act (http://www.libertythink.com/VICTORYAct.pdf) (89 pages, pdf) …
http://www.bespacific.com/mt/archives/003693.html

With a Whisper, not a Bang | Bush signs parts of Patriot Act II into law — stealthily
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56630

Al Norris
January 1, 2004, 01:50 AM
w4rma, how many times and to how many threads are you gonna post this to?

gunsmith
January 2, 2004, 12:49 AM
w4rma, how many times and to how many threads are you gonna post this to?

P.S Coward Dean is gonna lose.

Linux&Gun Guy
January 2, 2004, 01:11 AM
A diffrent 'gem' in that text:

"Sadly, terrorism is something that we have to live with," he said. "Leave the worrying to the professionals."

I think we will be more worried about our rights being taken away:banghead:

On the bright side at least he isn't lying!

444
January 2, 2004, 01:30 AM
Military gunships to patrol Strip

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Dec-31-Wed-2003/news/22901079.html


Airlines, hotels ordered to give FBI information

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Dec-31-Wed-2003/news/22903017.html

"Las Vegas hotel operators and airlines serving McCarran International Airport are being required by the FBI to turn over all guest and passenger names and personal information, at least during the holiday period, several sources said Tuesday. "

JohnBT
January 2, 2004, 09:39 AM
"w4rma, how many times and to how many threads are you gonna post this to?"

Until he finds somebody to read it and not laugh?

Back on Topic, what goes on in New Jersey doesn't count where I'm from and THE TERRORISTS HAVE NOT WON. That kind of talk doesn't even qualify as hyperbole.

John

seeker_two
January 2, 2004, 11:28 AM
w4rma, how many times and to how many threads are you gonna post this to?

The truth bears repeating.....:cool:


(...except for the "Dean for President" part, that is.... http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/laughing/yelrotflmao.gif )

JohnBT
January 2, 2004, 06:34 PM
"The truth bears repeating....."

Okay, I'm ready. Will it be long before it starts? :)

JT

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