A Ray of Hope?


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mpthole
December 31, 2003, 01:12 AM
I stopped at the local Gander Mountain tonight and was pleasantly surprised to see a sign on the door that went something like this:All firearms must be unloaded, cased and checked in at the counter -
accept those carried by CCW permit holders

What's more is that WI doesn't even have CCW (yet)!

Do they expect something to happen? Do they know something we don't?


Either way, I thought it was a "good" sign. ;) Maybe a ray of hope afterall.

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Crimper-D
December 31, 2003, 01:51 AM
Does Michigan recognize out of state CCW's, even though it dosen't have "Shall Issue" legislation of it's own?:confused:

Or do they have an inside track on something at Gander Mountain:confused: :evil:

Zak Smith
December 31, 2003, 02:02 AM
I hope they spelled it right, vs. what you posted.

Do they still not carry "crime pistols" with barrels under 3 inches, and not let you field strip used guns before buying them? Jeesh.

-z

Ky Larry
December 31, 2003, 03:35 AM
Does Michigan recognize out of state CCWs....


Yes,they do. Check out this site: www.packing.org/
Hope this helps.

Ryder
December 31, 2003, 04:27 AM
I think he meant Wisc. because Michigan does have shall issue.

mpthole
December 31, 2003, 10:22 AM
Zak: Good catch. I was tired when I wrote that, so I'm sure it was my mistake. Should read "except those carried by CCW permit holders".

Currently, WI has no provisions to recognize any out-of-state permits. Heck, we can't even get resident permits because no such thing exists (yet)!

AJ Dual
December 31, 2003, 10:55 AM
Starting last Fall The Shooters Shop started running ads on the radio proclaiming "CCW IS COMING TO WISCONSIN! ARE YOU READY?" etc. etc. etc.

I know the lead-time on producing advertisements can be several weeks, and as a business, it's completely understandable that they want to capitalize on the "rush" whether it's the pre-CCW trickle of "hopefuls" or being swamped once it passes.

It also momentarily made me feel like "they knew something" too. However, I sincerely doubt that they're on the inside track anymore than we are, assuming you've read WCCA materials, or talked to Monkeleg. :( :)

I was a bit conflicted about the ad. I know there's shooters out there in WI who are completely oblivious to just how close and how soon CCW is going to be on the cusp this coming month, so for some, even hearing about it was good. Unfortunately the advertisement also made CCW sound like a done deal, and probably promoted some more of the legendary WI "pro-gun laziness" that Monkeyleg has been so frustrated about.

Just a recap, here is where CCW in WI stands as of now:

This summer, the State Supreme Court ruled in favor of a shopkeeper that Wisconsin’s anti-CCW statute is partially unconstitutional in lieu of WI's RKBA amendment that passed a few years ago. CCW on your own private property, or your business if you're the owner is now legal. The WI SC majority opinion encourages the legislature to clarify CCW, and enact a permit system for outside private property.

Sen. Zien's PPA (Personal Protection Act) Passed the senate last fall, 4 votes over veto-proof.

The Assembly version of the PPA passed the assembly last fall, 2 votes shy of veto-proof. Two dissenting Republicans aren't completely anti-carry, just had specific gripes with the bill in its current form, and promised to vote to override the Governor.

Governor Doyle has vetoed the PPA/CCW.

The override session is pending this coming January, and it's critical we do not lose any override votes in either house.

That's where it stands.

I'm positive that several of the legislators are dancing around like little kids who waited too long to pee, and it's critical we keep hammering them with phone calls and letters until the last minute. e-mails don't hurt, but are the least effective, so don't bother until you've called and written first.

If you live in a district with a "good" Assemblyman or Senator, it doesn’t hurt to drop them a line to let them know you appreciate their support, it may encourage them to keep the pressure on their colleuges. If you have a hopeless anti representing you, let them know they've lost your vote, and if you’re really angry, let them know that their obstructionism has encouraged you to donate your time and money to whoever their opponent will be in the next election. Remind them there is a cost for standing against the rights of the law-abiding to defend themselves.

If you have a pro-gun relative or friend who lives in another district, please have them write. If they balk or are too lazy, write a letter for them, put it in a stamped and addressed envelope, and have them sign it.

dandean316
December 31, 2003, 11:11 AM
All firearms must be unloaded, cased and checked in at the counter - accept those carried by CCW permit holders What's more is that WI doesn't even have CCW (yet)! Do they expect something to happen? Do they know something we don't? We have the exact same sign in Lakeville MN. I am sure it is a corporate thing nation wide. Funny thing is I remember getting an email when we were in the process of trying to get CCW in MN. Gander would not let MNCCRN put their newspaper promoting CCW in their stores. Funny thing is now they offer CCW classes. Whatever. It's not an issue for me because I frequent a small shop right across the highway (J&S) that sells EVERYTHING cheaper than Gander, has better service and a better selection.

Do they still not carry "crime pistols" with barrels under 3 inches, The same Lakeville store has a lot of snubbies so maybe in states without CCW, they won't sell them. So they can say to the liberals and media "we don't sell crime guns" knowing they really don't sell well in anti-CCW states anyway.

mpthole
December 31, 2003, 11:39 AM
Re: J&S in Lakeville - I bought several rifles from them in a short period of time, spent a boat-load of money there. On subsequent visits I was ignored and downright treated rudely by their staff. I wrote the owner a letter and never heard anything back. I told him that I would discourage everyone I knew from buying from them - so I'm doing my "duty" now and letting you know. Maybe you've had better luck with them than I've had... but they'll never get another dime out of me. :fire:
Gander would not let MNCCRN put their newspaper promoting CCW in their stores. Funny thing is now they offer CCW classes. Whatever.
Amazing how policies change when the political winds - and money - starts blowing their way.

Sippenhaft
December 31, 2003, 11:55 AM
They have those signs in the Ohio Gander Mountain chains as well, and as far as I know Ohio does allow CCW period, even for out of state holders. Its probably just a form, perhaps slanted to their clientele (who would, I'd be willing to wager, probably support CCW on average)

Lone_Gunman
December 31, 2003, 05:34 PM
Did you mean except ?

mpthole
December 31, 2003, 06:27 PM
sheesh, my spelling is worse than I thought

ACP230
December 31, 2003, 06:38 PM
The Gander Mountain in Marquette, MI has snubbies in the gun cases.
They keep "military weapons" like M1 Carbines in the back room though.
Considering how collectable carbines, and other WWII rifles are these days, I find that odd and objectionable.

Their prices are high, except on some other used long guns, too.

Brian Dale
January 2, 2004, 03:45 AM
I've only seen the term "crime pistols" used in referring to guns recovered after the commission of crimes. They're now using it to mean "carryable handgun?"

What does a "Drunk Driving Car" look like?

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