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achysklic
January 23, 2011, 11:06 AM
I want to buy a black powder pistol from cabelas I want the best model or bang for the buck ratio.. maybe a 1858 or 1860?

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junkman_01
January 23, 2011, 11:34 AM
Either is a wonderful choice. We all have our preferences. Mine happens to be the 1860 Colt (although I do own a 1858 Remington also).

napp
January 23, 2011, 11:54 AM
maybe a 1858 or 1860?

There is always a third choice. I went through the same decision making process as you are doing. I ordered the 1858 Remington. Two days later I had second thoughts. Within a few days, I had one of each. :)

Foto Joe
January 23, 2011, 12:49 PM
1860 is by far the purtiest gun Mr. Colt ever made!!! But...so far I don't have one and that has to be fixed when I get out of BP re-hab, probably around April. Apparently the smoke affected my brain cells which in turn put a strain on my bank account. This of course is not my opinion.

I did manage to obtain a '62 Police and a '60 Sheriff before I had myself voluntarily committed.

WALKERs210
January 23, 2011, 02:17 PM
This is a kin to eating potato chips, no one can eat just one !!! Same thing with the revolvers, you get one and then well just one more. Before you know it you have everything from a 51' 36cal to a Walker 44 along with the three model Dragoons. Then you have to be careful cause there are rifles and shotguns that can temp you just as much.

mykeal
January 23, 2011, 04:48 PM
Rodgers & Spencer.

BHP FAN
January 23, 2011, 11:16 PM
Everyone knows that the Remington was the finest black powder revolver ever made until the Ruger came along, and it's STILL prettier.

junkman_01
January 23, 2011, 11:30 PM
Ah, but remember...beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

napp
January 24, 2011, 12:12 AM
junkman
Ah, but remember...beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

That explains why every time I "be holding" one it's so hard to put it down and walk away. :uhoh:

BullRunBear
January 24, 2011, 12:13 AM
If you can handle them before buying, do so. They are both fine revolvers but have rather different feel/balance. I prefer the Colt 1860 to the Remington but others, who are almost as smart and good looking, like the 1858. ;) Also, go for the steel frame models (brass trigger guard is OK). I have both guns and they are a pleasure to shoot.

Let us know which you choose. (Maybe both?)

Jeff

mykeal
January 24, 2011, 12:39 AM
Rodgers & Spencer.

Did I mention the Rodgers & Spencer?

BHP FAN
January 24, 2011, 02:32 AM
.44 R&S NICE!
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=908

BHP FAN
January 24, 2011, 02:33 AM
.36 Remmie $100.00 cheaper.
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=1039

mykeal
January 24, 2011, 07:14 AM
Yep. Cheaper. :evil:

Sorry, that wasn't nice. ;)

achysklic
January 24, 2011, 07:27 AM
so the 1860 is a colt reproduction and the 1858 is a rem. repro. correct?

When I buy one should I get the starter kit or buy what I need seperately?

I am leaning more toward the 1860 but the 1858 looks more sturdy built.

I hate decisions, if i hadn't just bought a new xdm 3.8 compact I would have got both...lol

mykeal
January 24, 2011, 07:47 AM
so the 1860 is a colt reproduction and the 1858 is a rem. repro. correct?

In a word, yes.
When I buy one should I get the starter kit or buy what I need seperately?

The starter kits are generally not the least expensive way to acquire accessories; purchasing just what you need separately is usually a better idea.
I am leaning more toward the 1860 but the 1858 looks more sturdy built.
There is an ongoing debate about that impression. Both are great designs and have endured for over a hundred years. Treat them like you should and either will last longer than you will be alive. Abuse them and neither will last long.

holl
January 24, 2011, 10:43 AM
I just made this same decision at Cabelas a few weeks ago. I had to go there and hold them both to find out which felt better. For me the 1860 felt much better in my hand. I suggest you do the same. Or, one of each I believe they are still both on sale on their web site for $199! $400 for two is not a bad deal!

TheBigAR2003
January 25, 2011, 11:11 AM
I got the remmy for my first bp pistol
Little stronger due to top strap and the sights are
easier to see than a colts
little more of a pain to clean but not too bad
but the 1860 is much more visually appealing and will
be my next bp purchase

Noz
January 25, 2011, 01:49 PM
Try them before you buy!! If you have a cowboy club nearby, go to a shoot and see if therre is anyone shooting the cap and ball guns. Some areas have more of us that others. If there is a Frontiersman there haunt him and get him to let you shoot his guns.

There is a huge difference in the feel and handling of the various guns.

For me: The Remington has a geometry that makes it uncomfortable for me to reach the hammer.
Frontiersmen must shoot one handed.
1851/1861s grip is too small for my ham hands.
The 1860 Army is just right.
Even within the 1860 Armys I find that I prefer the grip shape of the Pietta more than the Uberti.
I do take a belt grinder to the point on the bottom rear of the grip and reduce it by 1/4" or so, make it rounder.

ClemBert
January 26, 2011, 06:34 PM
Apples and Oranges. Both fruits...but which do you prefer? That's basically the analogous question you put in front of us. :neener:

p.s. I much prefer oranges to eat raw or drink the juice from but I like apple pie better than orange pie.

napp
January 27, 2011, 08:41 PM
I had a chance to fire a friend's Rogers & Spencer at the range today...mykeal has it right. My 1858 Remmy and my 1860 Colt are now my 2nd and 3rd favorite black powder revolvers...in no particular order. :)

Jaymo
January 27, 2011, 09:07 PM
I've never liked the looks of the 1860 Colt. I like all the others, but not that one.

I have a 51 navy and a couple of the Remingtons. I prefer the look, durability, and feel of the Remington. Plus, I like the rear sight better.

But, for up close, quick, and dirty shooting, I'll take my Pedersoli Howdah pistol.

junkman_01
January 27, 2011, 09:13 PM
I've never liked the looks of the 1860 Colt. I like all the others, but not that one.
Jaymo,
You're a sick individual! :neener:

ontarget
January 27, 2011, 11:46 PM
If you have large hands, go 1860. smaller hands, 1851. I have both but the grip on the 1860 fits me better. They are really all good and you will be happy with whatever you decide.

junk250
January 28, 2011, 05:42 AM
Rodgers & Spencer.

Did I mention the Rodgers & Spencer?
Another vote for Rogers and Spencer, here's mine (missing front sight)
http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu291/junk250/rogers3.jpg

junk250
January 28, 2011, 05:47 AM
Sorry I double posted.

Bluehawk
January 28, 2011, 09:00 AM
The repro Remingtons .44s we buy today are really the 1863 "New Model" and not the 1858...correct? (at least the Pietta models are)

mykeal
January 28, 2011, 09:13 AM
Remington called today's replica "The New Model Army Revolver"; it was introduced in 1863 but carried the 1858 patent stamp. It was an improved version of their "Old Model Army" introduced in 1861. That gun was itself a redesign of the "Remington-Beals Army Model Revolver", first introduced in 1860. This was the first in the line of what we now call the 1858 Remington.

Several years ago Pietta actually made a replica of the Remington-Beals Army Model; it is distinguished by the barrel threads at the breech end being covered by the frame, a characteristic that caused even worse fouling problems than the more modern replicas have. The Pietta version also has safety notches in the cylinder, a feature that was actually not added until the 1861 design.

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