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dtvburns
January 23, 2011, 02:48 PM
I am considering buying the 1851 colt from Cabbalas http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=705539&type=product&cm_mmc=CRR-_-RLP-_-215126-_-productname_link&cmCat=CRR

I was doing a little research and came across this old auction http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/engraved-colt-1851-navy.htm

Scroll down and look at the detailed pics, what a fine gun. I think it went for around $30K because I saw it in another auction with the sold price.

I just thought others might want to see great pics of an authentic Colt navy

Any one have the Cabbalas gun? Any good?

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Shoot The Moon
January 23, 2011, 07:21 PM
I don't have that exact one, but I do have a Uberti '51 Navy - mine is the 'London' version, with the steel backstrap and triggerguard. It's a great gun, well made and has aged really nicely - looks kinda halfway between a shiny 'new' one and an original - I guess the antique furniture folks would call it patina.

That original is lovely too - thankyou for posting the link. $30k? wow.

pohill
January 23, 2011, 07:41 PM
Pietta & original. Or is it original & Pietta?
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0840.jpg

Pietta is on the bottom.

dtvburns
January 23, 2011, 07:46 PM
Wow the pietta looks older

Berkley
January 23, 2011, 08:40 PM
Excellent way to compare the real Colt Navy grip frame profile and the unmistakable Pietta flared bottom.

pohill
January 23, 2011, 09:18 PM
The Pietta was made in 1988, the Colt was made in 1862. The Colt (all matching numbers) was reblued some time long ago, which detracted from its antique value but preserved it.

mykeal
January 23, 2011, 09:44 PM
Do I detect some Photoshopping of the 'Colt's Patent' stamp on the frame and '36 cal' on the trigger guard of the original Colt?

pohill
January 23, 2011, 10:03 PM
The "36" on the frame is mostly worn away. The top address is still clear.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0824.jpg

dtvburns
January 23, 2011, 10:15 PM
What gun are you referring too?

pohill
January 23, 2011, 10:27 PM
I think he meant mine but I could be wrong.

BHP FAN
January 23, 2011, 11:13 PM
I LIKE the Pietta 'flare'...I think it's the only possible improvement on the original design, and I notice Pietta does it to all thier replicas, to greater or lesser degree, even my Remmies. I hope they never stop....those that don't like it can grind it off, but it's darn tough to add.

pohill
January 23, 2011, 11:25 PM
For what it's worth, the two guns are not interchangeable (the original is on the left). The original's bore size is larger than .380 but the arbor is smaller. The cylinders are not the same size. I'd like to compare it to a 2nd Generation Colt.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/DSCF5300.jpg

mykeal
January 24, 2011, 12:22 AM
Yes, I was referring to Pohill's pictures. I enlarged the pictures looking for traces of the 'Colt's Patent' and caliber stamps on the top gun and thought I detected some traces.

pohill
January 24, 2011, 12:43 AM
The Colts Patent is still there but the 36 is just about gone (no cylinder scene left).
The serial number puts it in the 1862 time period.
Like I said, someone at some point reblued it (I don't think it's the original finish, though some of it could be). I wouldn't have done it but it did stop any rusting or pitting, and kept (or brought) the price way down.
I shoot it once a year.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0828.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0829.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/Colt-A.jpg

PunkDude812
January 24, 2011, 01:57 AM
Blah.

BHP FAN
January 24, 2011, 02:23 AM
Pohill, that is just too cool!

pohill
January 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
Another poster here (and on the other BP forums), Snaggletooth (Ted), made a beautiful wooden case for it, and gave it to me as a gift.
I gotta show off his handiwork.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/IMG_0005.jpg

dtvburns
January 24, 2011, 10:21 AM
Nice case. Thanks for the pics too.

Well I bought the engraved Pietta. Will be here in a few days, hope it looks ok.

Glad to see you shoot it. I have a Colt Walker 3rd gen and it has never been shot. I keep going back and forth on weather I should shoot it or not.

junkman_01
January 24, 2011, 10:40 AM
Don't worry. The WEATHER will clear up and help you decide WHETHER or not to shoot it. :banghead:

English is our language. Master it.

dtvburns
January 24, 2011, 10:53 AM
well it is cold here. Right whether I should shoot it or not. I should have just edited my post so no one would have understood you ;)

pohill
January 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
Good luck with the Pietta. Great guns.
I have two 3rd Generation Colts - I shoot one (the white handled one) but I cannot bring myself to shoot the other.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/CopyofS4020001.jpg

goon
January 24, 2011, 10:31 PM
I've got an itch for a Navy as well... make mine the Uberti with the square triggerguard though. There's something about those curves that's just all kinds of sexy!

madcratebuilder
January 25, 2011, 09:18 AM
Good luck with the Pietta. Great guns.
I have two 3rd Generation Colts - I shoot one (the white handled one) but I cannot bring myself to shoot the other.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m217/pohill/CopyofS4020001.jpg
Fancy!

ElToro
January 31, 2011, 02:30 PM
i just got a 1851 navy Pietta for a song. no accessories, just the gun only. anybody got a loading ? my local shop caries triple seven. i dont even have a flask or measure yet. what size caps should i get 10 or 11 ? theres a bass pro about 40 miles from me so i coudl go there if i know what to get.

thanks in advance
Tim

junkman_01
January 31, 2011, 04:50 PM
18-20 grains measured by volume and reduced by 15% for using 777 powder (15-17 volumetric grains). For caps, start with #11 and use .375 RB's.

dtvburns
February 1, 2011, 03:01 PM
I did get the new 1851 Navy

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc486/dtvburns/185136.jpg?t=1296586736

content
February 1, 2011, 03:35 PM
Hello friends and neighbors // Outstanding revolver at a good price, congrats. Mine are a little plainer.

135414 The 1851 Colt was manuf. in 1861 (both halves)half one serial # half another, no scene left. It was interesting to see no naval battle scene on the 30K revolver. Actually kind of relieving.
The Pietta 1861 came in a set with three barrels,4", 7 1/2", 8", two cylinders one with scene, one fluted and two sets of grips faux ivory and walnut.135415

I hope you enjoy your beauty, it looks well worth the price.

BCRider
February 2, 2011, 04:21 AM
It's no fair... I just find this thread only to see mostly "This image or video has deleted or moved - Photobucket" placeholders. Who moved or deleted all those pictures? I was looking forward to some great black powder porn ! ! ! ! ! !

pohill
February 2, 2011, 09:42 AM
Something happened to my Photobucket account and all my pics vanished.

VT Deer Hunter
February 3, 2011, 12:30 AM
Very nice gun!

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