Savage Varminter - Now in 5.7x28 !?!?


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stsimons
January 25, 2011, 02:14 PM
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25WV


I think I might have to buy this. Resistance is futile. Im wondering what the ballistics potential of that cartridge will be when fired from a 22in barrel. Handloads using a slower burning powder might bring out some real interesting numbers from such a small round.

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Walkalong
January 25, 2011, 02:48 PM
Cool beans. :)

stsimons
January 25, 2011, 03:11 PM
I found an old guns n ammo article on reloading for the 5.7x28. They used a 22in barrel for their testing and were able to get the following:

Bullet: Hornady V-Max 40gr
Powder: Accurate No. 5
Primer: Federal 205
Start Load: 5.0gr
Max Load: 6.8gr
Max Velocity: 2,400fps

http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/57x28-fn

Thats roughly 500 ft lbs of muzzle energy from only 6.8 grains of powder. Thats over 1K reloads from a pound of powder, and .224 bullets are dirt cheap too. Im liking this more and more...

Wareagle5.0
January 25, 2011, 04:45 PM
When I first saw and heard about this little round I thought it would be a great fit for a handy pred. Rifle in something like a mini mauser action. Its interesting at the very least.

Jon_Snow
January 25, 2011, 05:21 PM
Anyone know why the twist rate is 'n/a'?

jpwilly
January 25, 2011, 05:30 PM
I'm personally a pretty big fan of 5.7x45mm I'm getting 3200fps with 50gr vmax pills, no magic.

Kentuckiana rifleman
January 25, 2011, 07:36 PM
Wow, I missed that on Savage's website. I think I'm with you stsimons, That rifle looks pretty cool. I can see a lot of small game opportunities with that rifle.

Girodin
January 25, 2011, 08:19 PM
I'm personally a pretty big fan of 5.7x45mm I'm getting 3200fps with 50gr vmax pills, no magic.

How does that compare to the potential of the 5.7x28 round?

jpwilly
January 25, 2011, 10:50 PM
How does that compare to the potential of the 5.7x28 round?

I know Logic doesn't mean squat when talking about fun. I can see the fun factor, uniqueness, and maybe even cheap factor of reloading the 5.7x28. But for a varmint gun? Most varmint guns are know for a laser like trajectory. A 40gr vmax; bc .200 at mv of 2400 is slow. When is the last time a 2400fps centerfire has been called a good varmint gun?

5.7x28 is 5.56x45 without powder capacity. Powder that would be wasted in a short barrel like in the FN Pistol or P90 but would be put to good use in a 22" barrel varmint rifle like the Savage IMO YMMV.

CraigC
January 26, 2011, 12:17 AM
When is the last time a 2400fps centerfire has been called a good varmint gun?
It falls right into the .22Hornet and .218Bee family, performance-wise. Believe it or not, not everybody needs to be able to shoot 400yds or wants the noise of the bigger cartridges. Some of us even use rimfires, imagine that! :eek:

jpwilly
January 26, 2011, 12:32 AM
Some of us even use rimfires, imagine that!

...I couldn't imagine that, just not possible! Tell me it isn't so. :neener:

HOOfan_1
January 26, 2011, 12:35 AM
I wondered when someone would bring out a bolt gun in this, I would think Savage would give the .221 Fireball a little love first though.

jerkface11
January 26, 2011, 12:41 AM
Not all varmint hunting is prairiedogs on the horizon.

benzy2
January 26, 2011, 01:47 AM
Probably will be my next rifle to be honest. I have wanted a rifle in 5.7x28 for a while. Reloads costing no more than good .22lr ammo. It fits right in with a .22 hornet. Something a little more than the rimfire performance range while still being mild. Easier case to load than the .22 hornet. What isn't to love? Sure it isn't a .220 swift, but for me, I don't want a .220. I want a hornet that is easy on brass. It will turn small game to goo well enough. I'm in. I wouldn't mind the weight being a little less, but I can live with it.

Kentuckiana rifleman
January 26, 2011, 02:29 AM
Looking at this rifle with the caliber it shoots a little more closely I think it would have potential to .22 PPC replacement for benchrest shooting.

Coal Dragger
January 26, 2011, 02:31 AM
So this has what advantage over a .22 Hornet?

R.W.Dale
January 26, 2011, 01:19 PM
So this has what advantage over a .22 Hornet?
I take it you haven't reloaded 22hornet? Particularly for accuracy.

This is pretty much 22 Khornet without the retarded rim and paper thin brass.

Being a NATO round there availability will only increase

benzy2
January 26, 2011, 11:21 PM
Exactly. Performance may not beat the hornet, or by enough to really matter, but reloading is the big benefit. No rim, a sharp neck angle, thicker brass. All adds up to being easier to reload. Plus, locally, I can find a bit more 5.7x28 than .22 hornet, as backwards as that may seem.

jerkface11
January 26, 2011, 11:29 PM
The case design is WAY better than hornet.

Float Pilot
January 27, 2011, 12:55 AM
Hmm,
22 Hornet circa early 1930s = 40 gr bullet at 2,700 or 55gr at 2,400
22 k-Hornet circa 1940 = 40 gr bullet at 2,900 or 55gr at 2,550
218 Bee circa 1938 = 40 gr at 3,000 or 55 gr at 2,700 fps
221 Fireball circa 1963 = 50 gr at 3,000 and 70 grain at 2,300

Or you can load a 233 Remington down to the same velocities at the 5.7x28 and still have room for improvement.

Or go old school with the 25-20 circa 1892, with a 60 grain bullet at 2,150, 75gr at 2,100 or an 86 grain bullet at 1,700 it was THE closer range varmint cartridge for nearly 40 years.

lizziedog1
January 27, 2011, 08:50 AM
Thanks for the link. I like that little rifle, but I'm looking at the .22 Hornet chambering.

451 Detonics
January 27, 2011, 09:33 AM
I will add this Savage is being offered on their smaller 25 series frame rather than the larger center fire frame. It comes with the detachable box mag and is being offered in a synthetic, laminated, and thumbhole laminated stocks. I saw they had added this a few months ago and have been planning on adding one to the lineup this year but have 2 other rifle projects that need completed first.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/rifles/savage57.png

Kentuckiana rifleman
January 28, 2011, 01:19 AM
I like savage's products

crawfobj
February 13, 2011, 10:19 PM
I really like the idea of this, but was dreaming of an action of appropriate length and scale for the 5.7 cartridge. This seems to be the same action length as the .222, etc. and in that case limits the advantage IMO.

garyhan
February 14, 2011, 03:05 AM
Objectively, nothing to get excited about. Does a bit more than a .22 mag, a bit less than a .22 hornet. Subjectively, I think its kinda cool. Would be great for running jack rabbits. It won't ever set the world on fire.

gary

oerllikon
February 14, 2011, 04:06 AM
this is a really neat concept, but i would personally get a 223 and load it down. unless my income suddenly increases

bracer
February 14, 2011, 08:52 AM
I used the 22 WMR Kimber rifle for spring prairie dog pup shooting when I could get a lot of shots within 125 yards. I like the low muzzle blast of the little rimfire rounds. I got a Cooper LVT 17 HMR when it first out so now the 22 WMR stays at home. After trying verious reloads iin my Kimber Mld 82 22 Hornet I have strong dislike for the long tapered thin brass Hornet. I never found a Hornet reload that would shoot under a one inch 100 yard group. I started reloading in 1953 and over the years have developed sub one inch groups for seven other varmint cartridges to shoot in ten rifles. The 5.7X28 rifle and or a 17X28 MM wildcat would be welcome addition to my prairie dog rifles.

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