Hi-point pistol/carbine combo


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Tiomoid
January 25, 2011, 06:02 PM
So I've decided to buy a Hi-point 9mm for the car rather than leaving a gun worth a few $100 in it. That way if it gets stolen I'm only out about $150, and if I ever have to use it and it gets confiscated I won't really care.

In addition to the handgun, I'd love to toss the 9mm carbine in the trunk just for <removed>.
I was wondering if anyone had an information on whether or not the 10rd mags are interchangeable, and/or if high cap mags exist for the carbine.

I'm open to other options, but the price point is really my driving force behind this decision.

Thanks.

Side note: I'm aware that other calibers possess more stopping power, but considering the urban environment I'd most likely be using it in I don't really want anything with more firepower. My .44 belongs in the woods, not in your neighborhood.

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Furncliff
January 25, 2011, 06:09 PM
I had never held a Hi point when I ordered one. I have to say I'm impressed. For the $ it would be hard to beat. Here's a link to HiPoint Forums. Lots of good info there.

http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/index.php

kayak-man
January 25, 2011, 06:11 PM
I've heard that the mags for the 9mm are interchangeable, and that you can pick up 15 round mags for the carbine. I don't remember where, though. It looks like the pistol mags have a funky base plate, so it may be that you can use the carbine magazines in either, but the pistol mags will only fit the pistol.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

ArfinGreebly
January 25, 2011, 06:49 PM
Well, if you're going to carry it in the car or truck, and it's going to be the thing you always have available, it only makes sense to make sure you practice with it enough to be good.

My son has their 9mm pistol. He shoots better with it than I do with my XD40.

The Hi-Point pistol is chunky, clunky, and ugly, but his has never malfunctioned. I've shot it, and it works just fine in freehand plinking. Cans and bottles out to 30 yards.

A few years ago when I was pistol shopping, I had enough cash available that I passed over the Hi-Point line, but operating on today's budget I would happily consider one.

However, you should also keep in mind that there are some very serviceable 9x18 pistols out there, and the ammo can be had quite reasonably, or so I'm told. Likewise there are some .380 offerings by the same manufacturers, but ammo for those may be more expensive now that the .380 pocket pistols have become so popular.

The Makarov and CZ-82 come to mind as reliable 9x18 pistols, and my understanding is that they are usually quite reasonably priced and good solid beaters. (There's also the Tokarev and CZ-52 in 7.62x25, but I don't have a lot of exposure there, so can't really recommend.)

I've been told that "Comm Bloc" pistols of this kind can be had for under $250.

You may want to look around at some of these.

It bears mentioning, though, that the Hi-Point is made in the US (Ohio) by a company with an excellent customer service reputation, and has a warranty that more expensive manufacturers would do well to copy.

Oh . . . and I just realized, I've never seen a carbine in 9x18 or 7.62x25 . . . so, if the idea is a companion set, then Hi-Point is certainly a good, low-cost solution. (And, yes, the carbine mag will work in the pistol, but the pistol mag won't seat properly in the carbine.)

FROGO207
January 25, 2011, 09:37 PM
I have a handful of Hi Point pistols and they are the best for the $$$ out there. As stated the guarantee is tops and they are UGLY. As to the reliability there are none better, a lot the same for more $$$ however. I think they are the GI can opener of pistols. Inexpensive, reliable, and good enough that anyone can own a few if you want.:D

MrOldLude
January 26, 2011, 01:16 PM
The Makarov and CZ-82 come to mind as reliable 9x18 pistols, and my understanding is that they are usually quite reasonably priced and good solid beaters. (There's also the Tokarev and CZ-52 in 7.62x25, but I don't have a lot of exposure there, so can't really recommend.)
I really want a CZ-52.

mcdonl
January 26, 2011, 01:21 PM
The 10 round magazines are the compatible, although the 10 round (IMO) takes the C9 from ugly to black and decker drill looking. I own both, shoot both and use them in a similar fashion as you are planning. As such I shoot them both a lot.

They eat any ammo, but I just feed them handloads with cast lead.

Good luck, they are a terrific pair of guns for under $400....

TJ AK-74
January 26, 2011, 02:15 PM
The magazines are not toatlly interchangeable. While the 10-round carbine mags will work in a pistol, the extended 10-round pistol mags and standard 8-round pistol mags will not work in the carbine. You can get extended 15-round carbine mags for about $30 a piece at gun shows. Also I have seen 15-rounders at CDNN for about $25.

mcdonl
January 26, 2011, 06:43 PM
TJ, are you talking about the ProMags? I didnt have much luck with the 15 rounder.... but I didnt mess with it much either.

rondog
January 26, 2011, 06:49 PM
Stick with Hi-Point magazines. Reports are that none of the aftermarket ones work well.

TJ AK-74
January 26, 2011, 07:59 PM
TJ, are you talking about the ProMags? I didnt have much luck with the 15 rounder.... but I didnt mess with it much either.


I'm not sure what brand they were. I think I've seen the 10-round extendeds from both Hi-Point and aftermarket. The 10 round ext mags wont work in the carbine because the bottom, which functions as a grip extension for the pistol is too wide. The carbine mag well is longer than the pistol's mag well.

Tiomoid
January 27, 2011, 02:39 PM
So I think what I am hearing is that if I buy a bunch of the 10rd carbine mags they'll fit in my pistol?

Clearly aesthetics are not my primary concern. I'm buying a hi-point after all...

heron
January 27, 2011, 04:09 PM
One thing to keep in mind about the carbine is that it really isn't designed to be stripped for cleaning; for one thing, you have to disassemble half of your aiming system for total strip. It's complex, slow, and nasty. Just make allowances for that and you'll be fine with it.

I haven't tried the pistol, and don't know about mag interchangeability, but the carbine is delightful.

Maybe look at their website where they have the online store selling magazines, and see which mag they sell for which gun.

TUBBY1
January 29, 2011, 10:38 AM
the 40 cal. will switch back and forth with no problem. great combo!

hueytaxi
January 30, 2011, 01:22 AM
While I hear good things about the Hi-Point 9mm handgun, mine was a loose fitting piece of junk. I kept it less than two weeks. Now the carbine is an ugly piece of nice work. I purchased mine from a Tampa cop and it was accurate from the first round if you used FMJ.

epijunkie67
January 30, 2011, 04:04 AM
Never shot the pistols but I've heard they are boringly reliable and solid as a brick. I've had the carbine since it was first offered years ago and it's a great little gun for the money. Sights are great, totally reliable, and nonexistant recoil. Couldn't be happier with it.

I think getting a matching pistol/rifle would be an exellent idea. Sure, you could go with a shotgun or an inexpensive rifle caliber weapon like an SKS for similar money. But if you'd prefer a 9mm carbine than I think the Hi-Point is a good choice.

RX-178
January 30, 2011, 04:14 AM
The carbines are nice. The pistols... well...

They WORK. There's no real doubt about that. They function as intended, they're not jamomatics. They're also so big that they're nearly impossible to carry concealed, they're heavy, awkward, poorly balanced, and the rear sight is very narrow... and they're so cheap that I can't really think of a reason not to have one other than my reason of already having 20+ firearms and using the money for something else (thus far anyway).

XM855
January 30, 2011, 06:07 AM
Maybe I'm going to be the odd one out here, but I put a few dozen rounds through a Hi-Point 9mm pistol once and it was the most unreliable piece of junk I've ever held. First of all, it just felt uncomfortable to hold as a part of the grip would bite into my hand, but the feel of it may just be subjective. However, it failed at least twice per magazine with both failure to feeds as well as failures to eject. There were numerous stovepipes and a couple double feeds. This happened with me as well as my friend and it was the worst, most frustrating firearm experience in my life. Perhaps we just got a bad one, but based on my experiences thus far, I wouldn't want to be caught in a situation where my life depended on a Hi-Point.

mcdonl
January 30, 2011, 07:09 AM
Maybe I'm going to be the odd one out here, but I put a few dozen rounds through a Hi-Point 9mm pistol once and it was the most unreliable piece of junk I've ever held.

XM855, your not the odd one out. I hear your story about every gun from Hi Points to Kimbers. The big difference is a) the cost and b) you can just send it back until you get one that is right. HP require a little bit of adjustment with the magazines at times and for some, that is not acceptable. It was not for me, so I complained and the factory sent me 2 replacements.

Deltaboy
January 30, 2011, 10:55 AM
I am waiting for the HP Carbine in 45 cal. I love my HP45.

Birdmang
January 30, 2011, 11:01 AM
HI POINTS ARE AWESOME.

The 20 round magazines that stick out real far are awesome.

hso
January 30, 2011, 11:10 AM
The problem with buying an inexpensive "car/truck" gun is that you should make sure to get something that has the same ergonomics as what you normally shoot and add it to your range practice so that you don't find yourself fumbling with an unfamiliar handgun with different sights and a strange feel while your life is on the line.

That should mean practice with the cheap car/truck gun or find a functional beater version of what you're already familiar with. The idea that you can pick a gun on price and not practice with it is one fraught with problems that can get you killed.

Furncliff
January 30, 2011, 01:06 PM
Deltaboy...the 4595 is available. I have one. Shoots great.


Just a note here on ammo for Hi Points. The company and those posting in the forum are recommending against using the Winchester White Box BULK ammo. For more info on why and etc. visit the Hi Point forum.

fallout mike
January 30, 2011, 04:22 PM
I've got the same thing in mind but with the .45. Mainly bc they are cheap, American made and a awesome warranty. I've never shot a hipoint pistol but. I used to have a 9mm carbine. I loved it. I shot every weekend and never had ANY problem.

AXI
January 30, 2011, 06:01 PM
The only hi-point I've seen was a jamb rockstar. It could jamb every other round while the semi-shotty I was using did not miss a beat. Needless to say I did not ask for a turn to fire it, especially when I do not know much about semi-pistols.

I advise the Kel-Tec sub2000 carbine. Its collapsable and meant for camping.

I defiantly promote any gun purchase, but the track-record for hi-point seems to be iffy. Put in the extra for that sub 2000.

USAF_Vet
January 31, 2011, 11:57 AM
With my tax returns this year I'm buying the Hi-point .45 pistol and 9mm carbine.

I love the carbines, I only wish they had some decent aftermarket mags. My bro-in-law has the old style 9mm carbine, which is so ugly it's cool. Mine will be the new 'tactical stock' one.

soda
January 31, 2011, 01:15 PM
I've owned a few of them. The C9 9mm in fact.. It was an ok gun for the money. It functioned well and was cheap to purchase.

epijunkie67
January 31, 2011, 01:21 PM
With my tax returns this year I'm buying the Hi-point .45 pistol and 9mm carbine.

I love the carbines, I only wish they had some decent aftermarket mags. My bro-in-law has the old style 9mm carbine, which is so ugly it's cool. Mine will be the new 'tactical stock' one.

I'm not sure but I think they are coming out with the carbine in .45 also. Might want to check on that.

fallout mike
January 31, 2011, 02:03 PM
The .45 carbine is for sale now. Also available in .40. The .45 is roughly $280.

epijunkie67
January 31, 2011, 04:42 PM
The .45 carbine is for sale now. Also available in .40. The .45 is roughly $280.

That's perfect then. If you plan on getting both a pistol and a carbine then you should get them both in the same caliber.

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