Damage to revolver from impact with another weapon?


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Nero
January 26, 2011, 10:45 PM
I was just wondering, if in a defensive situation, what would the damage be to a revolver frame if it was used as a melee weapon to block another weapon? (Say someone has a tire iron, and you have an L frame size revolver, and you blocked his swing with it, out of reflex. Would it be able to stand up to impact damage like that?)

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Lucky Derby
January 26, 2011, 11:36 PM
Possibly, but maybe not. Sounds like you need a PR24 instead of a revolver.

-eaux-
January 27, 2011, 12:31 AM
Please don't take in ANY way other than it is intended: who cares?
That is to say, if someone is swinging a tire iron at my head I'd much rather need to get a pistol reblued than need to get my head reglued. Any port in a storm.
Hopefully, if your handgun has become a melee weapon, it's because you're out of reloads and you've already neutralized all the bad guys except this last one swinging the tire iron.

Nero
January 27, 2011, 12:49 AM
Well, I figured someone would say that, which is why I'm wondering if the gun would still work correctly, I'm not worried about the paintjob, so much as a serious malfunction if I attempt to fire right afterwards. Is a revolver frame typically a strong enough steel for this to not be a problem?
If not, which, if any, material frames are?

-eaux-
January 27, 2011, 01:10 AM
I'm not an engineer or metalurgist, but there's surely a wide variance in strength vs. impact from one model/manufacturer to another. A handgun is designed around internal pressure, not incoming impact. No doubt others here can shed more light. But I would still go with "any port in a storm". If bad guy has a tire iron and I have a handgun, and he just hit said handgun with said tire iron, unless he knocked the cylinder out or the barrel off I'm pulling the trigger first chance I get.

wadcutter45
January 27, 2011, 01:23 AM
It's the same thing as asking "If my car were involved in an accident, would I still be able to drive it home?" The answer is...it depends...

Gato MontÚs
January 27, 2011, 02:08 AM
In your mind, construct the situation in which this would happen. It is very unlikely that, if my pistol is drawn, that I would have to block a swing from whatever object instead of shooting. I guess a direct hit to the cylinder might cause timing issues, but I can't foresee this being a reason to pick a semi over a wheel gun. Heck, a line drive to a pistol of any type is going to result in severe damage regardless.

Nero
January 27, 2011, 02:49 AM
If you have to reload, and don't have time to do so, before blocking their swing, and possibly hitting them across the face with it. I was just curious as to the frame strength of a typical revolver (not compared to a semi-automatic, just in general). Beyond the chances of hitting the cylinder or other specific pieces, if the barrel/underlug would be able to take a hit without breaking or suffering severe damage.
Thanks for the answers!

David E
January 27, 2011, 02:56 AM
I was just wondering, if in a defensive situation, what would the damage be to a revolver frame if it was used as a melee weapon to block another weapon? (Say someone has a tire iron, and you have an L frame size revolver, and you blocked his swing with it, out of reflex.

If someone had a tire iron and he's swinging at my head in an attempt to kill me, I'd try to block said tire iron with a bullet fired from my L-frame.

Alas, I'd probably miss the tire iron and accidentally hit the man swinging it.....but I'd try it anyway. :D

teumessian_fox
January 27, 2011, 11:46 AM
The the OP: In your scenario, you'll find out your answer in the next few seconds of the confrontation. Because unless you walk around (like they have to do in **********) with an unloaded sidearm, you're going to be shooting the bad guy as soon as you block his blow.

My guess is that the weapon will function fine.

btg3
January 27, 2011, 01:18 PM
The great thing about every revolver is that if it doesn't go bang, you can keep on pullin' the trigger. :rolleyes:

DPris
January 27, 2011, 02:06 PM
There's no way to realistically answer your question, too many variables involved.
The configuration, mass & momentum of the object involved, where it happens to strike the revolver, etc.
Denis

mdThanatos
January 27, 2011, 05:19 PM
DPris is right, too many variables to think about. I don't think, personally, that this is even a viable situation and if you were to block the full force swing of a tire iron with your revolver that your hand and/or arm will suffer greatly. But it does overall depend on where the impact on the revolver is, what angle it is, how much momentum is behind the tire iron...etc.

Just don't see it happening in any instance.

GRIZ22
January 27, 2011, 05:35 PM
you have an L frame size revolver, and you blocked his swing with it, out of reflex.

My first comment is if you did this you are poorly trained. David E gave the correct answer answer above. Shooting at your opponent's center mass to stop them would be a proper response. Firearms, at best, are arkward as striking wepaons. If you had a sword would you point it at him and try to pull the trigger?

The great thing about every revolver is that if it doesn't go bang, you can keep on pullin' the trigger.

Maybe not. The most fragile part of a revolver is the cylinder crane and ejector rod. A blow from a tire iron would easily bend either of these sufficiently to tie up the gun.

Sniper X
January 27, 2011, 05:36 PM
Aren't you supposed to shoot them BEFORE they hit you with the tire iron?

Odd Job
January 27, 2011, 06:26 PM
If he hits you instead of the gun, you may not be able to use the gun anyway, which is worse than figuring the odds on whether a hit to the gun disables it or not.

The Lone Haranguer
January 27, 2011, 09:05 PM
Unless you've already fired all the rounds in the revolver, you want to shoot anyone swinging a tire iron at you. If the gun is in fact already empty, any damage done to it that renders it inoperable will not matter at that point. The damage, if any, would depend on the location and force with which it is struck. I would guess that an impact on the barrel would not hurt anything, provided the ejector rod is enclosed or shrouded by the barrel. An exposed ejector rod, as found on many Smith & Wesson's, if bent, could cause the cylinder to bind. An impact directly on the side of the cylinder might bend or "spring" the cylinder crane/yoke and bind the cylinder. It would probably also smash your fingers.

Lucky Derby
January 27, 2011, 09:23 PM
It's the same thing as asking "If my car were involved in an accident, would I still be able to drive it home?" The answer is...it depends...
Best analogy yet

sgt127
January 28, 2011, 12:07 AM
If a revolver takes a substantial impact on the cylinder, it may render the gun inoperable if the center pin breaks.

If you flatten the trigger guard, it can prevent the trigger from being pulled.

I have seen these things happen.

On the other hand, revolvers have a long and rich past as impromptu impact weapons. The trick is to hit with the butt of the gun...maybe the barrel if its a heavy barrel.

I would prefer not to block steel on steel with a gun though, we're not fencing here.

jojo200517
January 28, 2011, 02:14 AM
Like others have said they are WAY to many variables to know. As far as a strike to the side of the barrel and the barrel going flying across the room I seriously doubt this happening. Some damage maybe, gun gets knocked out of your hand quiet possible.

Now if we make the assumption that you have already fired 6 or 7 shots of .357 magnum so its empty and hit other assailants and there is a guy still swinging a tire iron at your head he's pretty much hell bent on smashing your brains out. Do whatever you can and have to do. If there is no way to reload i'd say its about half past time to put your nike's on the asphault and make like the rear end of a race donkey.

If you can't run and must you your gun in defensive nature to block the swing of the tire iron that someone is trying to take your head off with i'd figure accuracy at the next range visit probably won't be on your mind and neither will any scratches or damage the gun receives.

If the gun is still loaded it might be a pretty good idea to use hot copper jacketed lead projectile to the center mass of mr tire iron swinger as opposed to cold steel of your gun to the cold steel of his tire iron.

Gato MontÚs
January 28, 2011, 03:00 AM
http://home1.gte.net/res05eyc/photo/tuller_drill2.jpg

While the first rule of a gunfight is have a gun, the primary word in gunfight is FIGHT. If this is a huge concern for you, try to locate some practical martial art defensive courses in your area. Work it in to your defensive routine. In fact, that is something we could all benefit from.

oldfool
January 28, 2011, 08:53 AM
if he is that close, duck
then shoot.. or preferably do both at once, and as noted above, strive to miss the tire iron with your 1st shot
(but if he has a machete instead of a tire iron, you waited too long to do either !)
pistol whipping him after done shooting purely optional, but best refrained from if anybody is watching

for batting practice, choose a Louisville slugger instead of an L frame
counter-clockwise rotation of bat preferred, unless your are a lefty, even if you like Colts

Cosmoline
January 28, 2011, 10:29 PM
To actually answer this question, it depends on what part of the revolver is hit. A blow to the barrel is unlikely to any functional damage it. Unless it's mounted in a solid vise and smacked repeatedly with a tire iron it won't bend to any significant degree. Barrel steel is very tough stuff.

If the impact is on the butt, same answer.

If the impact is on the triggerguard, it might bend but it's unlikely to bend enough to interfere with trigger pull.

The weak spot is the cylinder, where the right hit can damage the small parts that hold it in place. This is more likely to be the case with an old Colt than with a new Ruger.

jad0110
January 28, 2011, 10:52 PM
gun gets knocked out of your hand quiet possible.

To me, this would be of far greater likelihood than damage to the gun (which itself is possible). I doubt many could hang onto a gun after it has taken a heavy blow frrom a chunk of steel.

If someone had a tire iron and he's swinging at my head in an attempt to kill me, I'd try to block said tire iron with a bullet fired from my L-frame.

Alas, I'd probably miss the tire iron and accidentally hit the man swinging it.....but I'd try it anyway.

That right there! David, you should be ashamed or yourself, you almost made a grown man piss his pants with that one! :p

357_
January 29, 2011, 12:07 AM
From the posts I've seen on these boards you should be okay with any new revolver ... as long as it isn't a Smith-Wesson, Taurus, Charter Arms, or Ruger :rolleyes:

Caliper_RWVA
January 29, 2011, 12:30 AM
(Say someone has a tire iron, and you have an L frame size revolver, and you blocked his swing with it, out of reflex. Would it be able to stand up to impact damage like that?)

I would hope I have the thought to use my weak-side arm to block the tire iron while firing the gun with my strong side.

The arm will heal, the gun will not. If the gun is damaged, I am left with a very small club against a tire iron and then the arm may never have the chance to heal...

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