Lets drop the anti-Obama threads please!


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Balrog
January 27, 2011, 04:01 PM
There have been a lot of threads recently started that point out that sources inside the Obama administration say that the gun control issue is not dead and that Obama will bring it up shortly. There have also been numerous calls by some congressmen to re-enact magazine and assault weapons bans.

Can we please stop with these threads? Until the law actually takes effect, there is nothing to worry about.

Hopefully the moderators will continue to close these annoying threads as they pop up.

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Spec ops Grunt
January 27, 2011, 04:10 PM
I agree, though Drudge just posted one of the articles on his website......

I expect plenty more threads to pop up.

Corporal K
January 27, 2011, 04:12 PM
Until the law actually takes effect, there is nothing to worry about.

Then it's a little too late.

martialartsblackbelt
January 27, 2011, 04:18 PM
why is this in Legal?

gdesloge
January 27, 2011, 04:19 PM
"If we wait til a bill is in committee, we have waited too long. Our legislators need CONSTANT reminding not to propose gun control. I feel many people here are sticking their heads in the sand on this issue. I lived through the AWB and used Glock mags for $100 was an unpleasant experience that I do not want to repeat."




I am a bit confused. Didn't you post the above-quoted paragraph just yesterday?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=569777

post #6

gd

P.S. Everyone here does belong to the NRA, right?

tyeo098
January 27, 2011, 04:20 PM
I think A thread on a certain bill/law would be good. A "Go tell your reps to not support it" time. But like 80 threads all saying OMG HR308 WE R ALL GUNNA DIE is too much...

hirundo82
January 27, 2011, 04:22 PM
Once it is passed it is too late to do anything about it. The time for action is once the bill has been filed and we know what we're facing. There's nothing definite yet, although from the Newsweek article (http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/27/white-house-to-push-gun-control.html) it sounds like they want to mandate better reporting of mental illness to NICS (could be OK depending on what it requires), and maybe a push to close the "gun show loophole."

That said, there's never a bad time to write your representatives and let them know your opposition to gun control or to contribute to NRA-ILA (https://secure.nraila.org/Contribute.aspx), the NRA's lobbying arm.

Xfire68
January 27, 2011, 04:24 PM
I too think if we don't keep it at the forefront of our discussions and topics of threads we tend to forget until it is Toooo LATE!:cuss:

People that are tired of hearing about it have given up!:fire:

kimbershot
January 27, 2011, 04:35 PM
obama who? oh that community organizer, anti constitutional constitutional lawyer? :neener:

BlayGlock
January 27, 2011, 04:40 PM
Can we please stop with these threads?

No we cant! (See what I did there)

BHP FAN
January 27, 2011, 04:40 PM
''Until the law actually takes effect, there is nothing to worry about...''

Corporal K said: '' Then it's a little too late...''

+1 on that!

Spec ops Grunt
January 27, 2011, 04:40 PM
Focusing on Obama is also short-sighted.

"GOP to look at federal gun laws"

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/140411-house-judiciary-republicans-to-examine-background-check-system-for-gun-sales-

kingpin008
January 27, 2011, 04:47 PM
People that are tired of hearing about it have given up!

No, we haven't. We're just tired of hearing about what might, could, maybe, possibly happen. Most of us prefer to focus on real issues rather than play Chicken Little.

rocky branch
January 27, 2011, 05:00 PM
Yah, let's just ignore the whole thing.
Nothing bad is going to happen, comrades.
Trust me, I'm from the government and the internet.

MisterMike
January 27, 2011, 05:01 PM
I think it's worth keeping ahead of possible legislation through continuing pressure. Whenever gun owners have taken a "wait and see" attitude, gun control legislation has been proposed and advanced.

zhyla
January 27, 2011, 05:39 PM
I think it's worth keeping ahead of possible legislation through continuing pressure. Whenever gun owners have taken a "wait and see" attitude, gun control legislation has been proposed and advanced.

There's absolutely nothing to do regarding the legislation Obama may push in the future until the proposed legislation exists. No point in calling your congressman over something you heard Obama was going to do.

Gregaw
January 27, 2011, 05:40 PM
Until the law actually takes effect, there is nothing to worry about.

Until the train actually hits you, there's no reason to get off the tracks!

Spec ops Grunt
January 27, 2011, 05:42 PM
Until the train actually hits you, there's no reason to get off the tracks!


Take HR 308, since it is introduced, it would be appropriate to take action against it. Write some letters.


Obama, on the other hand, hasn't done much of anything regarding RKBA.

Balrog
January 27, 2011, 05:43 PM
No, we haven't. We're just tired of hearing about what might, could, maybe, possibly happen. Most of us prefer to focus on real issues rather than play Chicken Little.

My sentiments exactly. Gun control is not a real issue.

kingpin008
January 27, 2011, 05:44 PM
Yah, let's just ignore the whole thing.

Refusing to discuss what is currently a non-issue is hardly "ignoring the whole thing". Here at THR, we've shown time and time again our capability in regards to dealing with any potential issues that may present themselves. However, the more energy we waste speculating and doomsaying, the less we have to fight actual battles. Is it really that hard to understand?

I think it's worth keeping ahead of possible legislation through continuing pressure. Whenever gun owners have taken a "wait and see" attitude, gun control legislation has been proposed and advanced.

100% correct. This is why it's crucial to quit dwelling on these "what if" situations, and start getting active. If each of the people who started or commented on one of these "Obama might do something soon!" threads would have taken the time to write a polite, one-page letter to their congress critters expressing their firm opposition to any upcoming gun control measures, we'd be a heck of a lot better off. Posting news articles and speculating on what may happen is useless.

We have the chance to act now, to ensure that even if Obama does try to push a new law, our representatives will know where they stand if they choose to support it. So how about taking a second and do something worthwhile, and instead of playing Chicken Little?

geekWithA.45
January 27, 2011, 05:58 PM
Observe: rumblings & rumours of gun control
Orient: to the possibility of the necessity of the usual electoral action <====We are Here.
Decide: on the specific electoral action to take, and the circumstances under which to take it.
Act: Get 'er done.

Balrog
January 27, 2011, 05:59 PM
Kingpin, is that the strategy used in Maryland? Aren't gun laws pretty strict there?

Black Toe Knives
January 27, 2011, 06:01 PM
President Obama stated early in his term and campaign Gun Control was not on the agenda. When the democrats had the House Senate and Presidency no Gun Control was introduced. You will see a revisiting the High cap ban, Even Dick Cheney indicated he's support restrictions on high-capacity magazines
But Hey That fact wont sell NRA memberships.

joeq
January 27, 2011, 06:05 PM
If you don't like a thread then don't read it. If it's something not appropriate the moderators will close it. Frankly, I could care less if it annoys anyone.

blueridgerunner
January 27, 2011, 06:06 PM
I worry less about Obama than I do the "Brady Bunch"

4thPointOfContact
January 27, 2011, 06:09 PM
With respect, Absolutely not.
Can we please stop with these threads? Until the law actually takes effect, there is nothing to worry about.

Until my house starts burning, there is no reason to worry about that wildfire.
Until my car hits bottom, there is no worry about running off that bridge.
Until my wife serves divorce papers, there is no reason to worry about our marriage.
Until that pregnancy test shows positive, there's no reason to worry about using that 'protection' stuff.
Until the server brings my plate, there's no reason to worry about that restaurant's health score.

TheDriver
January 27, 2011, 06:16 PM
The Obama administration is a self-described AWB supporter. Obama nominated Andrew Traver to head the ATF. I think its OK to pay attention and discuss any potential legislation on a, you know, discussion board.

Black Toe Knives
January 27, 2011, 06:20 PM
The day I can't buy M134 Mini Gun will be the day I join the NRA and start worrying about gun control.

Balrog
January 27, 2011, 06:22 PM
Obama has said repeatedly he supports the 2nd amendment, except for reasonable gun control, such as the assault weapons ban and high capacity magazine bans, and just a few other things like importation bans, one gun a month plans, and gun free zones.

TheDriver
January 27, 2011, 06:30 PM
You forgot to

/sarcasm

/endsarcasm

Gouranga
January 27, 2011, 06:30 PM
Look I understand frustrations on it however.
1. Obamas administration has now said within 2 weeks they will call for more gun control.
2. We have numerous congressman either submitting bills to committee, proposing and drawing them up, or getting airtime telling everyone that the majority of Americans support AWB and the like.
3. We have a serious education issue with a large portion of the population in regards to 2a and carry.

IMO, we need to avoid playing out the tortoise and the hare scenario. Getting cocky about SCOTUS and our advances and sitting back and waiting till we are way behind. Then we have to deal with another AWB or restrictions.

IMO, we should be planning now. Calling our reps now. Getting camera time, writing editorials, now. Cause the other guys ARE doing that. When these guys are behind closed doors talking about getting support for a bill before it is submitted we want our Reps to look at them and say "H**L No! You know how many calls and emails I have already on that!?"

Soon as this stuff hits the press ammo prices will be up through the roof again, I won't be able to find a round at Walmart even. Firearm prices will go berserk again. We need to hit this now.

Snowy Rivers
January 27, 2011, 06:37 PM
I might as well weigh in here.

I can't say anything good about any of the current crop of left over politicians si I wont stir the pot.

I do however agree that the only way to stop this stuff is Preemptive rather than waiting till its at our door step.

Fire any politician that signs on to any new Controls.

I dont like any politicians so bashing any one in particular is a waste of time.

Snowy

Guillermo
January 27, 2011, 06:40 PM
there are threads that I never comment on

There are channels that I subscribe to via cable service that I never tune to

My radio is capable of picking up far more channels than I care to listen to.

Heck, there are even (you ready?) guns that I have no desire to own :what:

Women that I don't want to date.

Just because something doesn't appeal to me is not a reason for me to ask others not to participate.

since you find threads that you don't want to participate in annoying it is apparent that your mileage varies.

kingpin008
January 27, 2011, 06:41 PM
Kingpin, is that the strategy used in Maryland? Aren't gun laws pretty strict there?

Gun laws are somewhat strict here, but we've also defeated a proposed AWB that's come up for vote for the past half-decade plus. Last year, we missed out on getting our asinine CCW law changed by ONE vote. This year, we've got them on the run. All of our efforts in this state have been grassroots, by the way. Good old-fashioned letter writing, emailing, calling offices and showing up in person to testify.

So yes, we've got our issues, but we know how (and more importantly WHEN) to fight if we need to.

To be clear, I don't think anyone who is seeking an end to these "what if" threads is advocating that we ignore it issue - to suggest as much is ludicrous. We simply think that the energy is better spent working on proactive measures to maintain our gun rights, rather than wringing hands and worrying what the future may bring.

For all interested, below is a link to a website that will allow you to locate the contact info for your state's congress critters. A strongly (but politely) worded letter sent to these folks goes a long way towards counter-acting whatever nonsense Mr. Obama may or may not have in mind.

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

Sebastian the Ibis
January 27, 2011, 07:25 PM
There have been a lot of threads recently started that point out that sources inside the Obama administration say that the gun control issue is not dead and that Obama will bring it up shortly. There have also been numerous calls by some congressmen to re-enact magazine and assault weapons bans.

Can we please stop with these threads? Until the law actually takes effect, there is nothing to worry about.



No.

The reason no law is taking effect right now, is because of the pressure us gun owners have exerted on our elected officials, Obama included. Guns are the new 3rd rail of politics because of our grass-roots activism and I intend to keep it that way.

PapaG
January 27, 2011, 07:33 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with periodically writing your congressman or senator reminding them of your position on gun rights, abortion, or anything else you have on your mind. We are fortunate in our district to have a state representative who keeps us abreast of what is going on in important areas.

Waiting til a bill comes out of committee is way too late. The lines are already likely drawn. Also, it does no harm to thank them periodically if they have supported you on issues you feel are important. Some of them are real people.

ekgandj
January 27, 2011, 07:41 PM
I think it's worth keeping ahead of possible legislation through continuing pressure. Whenever gun owners have taken a "wait and see" attitude, gun control legislation has been proposed and advanced.

++1


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Mags
January 27, 2011, 07:44 PM
Ughhhh..... You guys have noticed this thread is supposed to be a smart alec bogus thread aimed at Balrog's dissaproval of this forum's moderation, right?

Balrog, what is the point of these threads in legal? Nothing legal has occured. Maybe you should post in activism with a plan to contact senators and congressmen. All these sky is falling threads without a plan accomplish is hysteria and buying frenzies. Do you own a retail store that sells guns and magazines or something? So what are you trying to accomplish?

Here is an example of a thread which already covers your topic but actually has a plan to it: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7040708#post7040708

Dreamcast270mhz
January 27, 2011, 07:55 PM
I don't think we should blame the president, he signs laws from congress but but doesn't introduce or pass them. just like congress using AZ as a scapegoat to take away our rights, it is ignorant people who raise AR-15 prices because they fear the left-wing for illogical reasons. i agree, blame congress, not Obama.

Also, I would like to address the thought on people's minds:

Left-wing doesn't mean Socialism, look here for left wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics) and here for socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism)

General Tso
January 27, 2011, 08:18 PM
Obama hasn't done anything "anti-gun". In fact, didn't he allow carrying in national parks?

Hatchett
January 27, 2011, 08:34 PM
You know, I personally think gun owners should think Obama is the greatest thing to ever happen to them. He's a democratic president who came aboard ready or at least intending to make changes and gun control was nowhere among them, and despite internet hyperbole will never be. Obama is a sign that the gun owners of America have won. That rhetoric has gotten so strong under him despite him doing nothing to stir it up speaks badly for us -- not for him.

Patriot1/3
January 27, 2011, 08:41 PM
The last thing we need to do is be SILENT about an individual that hasn't even proven he's and AMERICAN yet! Sound off and sound off frequently.

AKElroy
January 27, 2011, 08:43 PM
This is an RKBA site, and there are published reports from obama administration officials that a diologue on 'responsible gun ownership" is coming. NOW IS THE TIME FOR THESE THREADS.

As for being "anti-Obama" in nature, I would hope we would call out ANY public official with a history of or current desire to infringe upon our RKBA. If that happens to call out one party more than the other, then so be it.

If that calls your party affiliation into question, then deal with the facts and respond accordingly by holding your party accountable.

Yes, we have to vigilant holding both sides of the isle accountable. That said, we are kidding ourselves if we think for one second that one party is not more prone to infringe our rights than the other. If this thread gets locked for stating the truth, then so be it. Elected democrats are far more inclined to limit our RKBA than Republicans. Deal with that fact & vote accordingly.

Art Eatman
January 27, 2011, 08:56 PM
Read whatever bills get introduced. THEN cite them here for discussion the specifics and their effects.

For now, this is just arm-waving and speculation--as well as politics.

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