non citizens owning firearms?


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ozhuntsman
January 29, 2011, 01:58 AM
In a few years time when the worlds economy is back on track, i would like to move to the USA.

Other than being able to find a job similar to what i do now, my main concern is whether or not i will be able to own guns and also hunt. If it is against the law for someone such as myself to own firearms then it would be and unfortunate deal breaker, since it is my no. 1 hobby.

Can anyone please give me some infomation about such laws?

And if some states do allow it, while other don't?

thanks in advance.

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2ndAmFan
January 29, 2011, 02:08 AM
Most, maybe all states allow legal residents to own firearms and to hunt. Doesn't matter what your nationality, only that you are a legal resident of the US and the state where you live. You do not need to be a US citizen. Some states require that you be a resident for 90 days, maybe 6 months. That's all I could find on a quick search.

ozhuntsman
January 29, 2011, 02:09 AM
thanks for the quick reply, its good to know.

bds
January 29, 2011, 02:12 AM
ozhuntsman, looks like you are in luck! Even for gun control to the max California, non-US citizens provide Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number to the firearms dealer to purchase a firearm and proof of California residency for purchase of a handgun. This is an exerpt from the CA Dept of Justice/Attorney General website (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#6):

3. What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?

All firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a licensed dealer under the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) process. California imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a buyer or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To buy a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age, and either 1) possess an HSC plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with the handgun being purchased or 2) qualify for an HSC exemption.

As part of the DROS process, the buyer must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.

If the buyer is not a U.S. Citizen, then he or she is required to demonstrate that he or she is legally within the United States by providing to the firearms dealer with documentation that contains his/her Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number.

Purchasers of handguns are also required to provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease, property deed, or government-issued identification (other than a drivers license or other DMV-issued identification).

(PC Section 12071)

ArfinGreebly
January 29, 2011, 02:12 AM
My Danish son-in-law is a permanent resident.

He owns a Browning .308 rifle.

No problem in Idaho and Oregon, don't know about other places.

There are, of course, states that will be a guaranteed pain in the butt on the subject, simply because they're a pain for American citizens. Just off the top of my head, a short list of good (friendly) candidate states would include Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon.

My own familiarity is with the western states. Someone else will be able to list the candidates from the rest of the country.

You will want to obtain and review the specific state statutes for your target states for particulars.



What is it that you get paid to do?

natman
January 29, 2011, 02:48 AM
You would be an Immigrant Alien if you live here permanently and have a "green card". Otherwise you would be a Non-immigrant Alien. In either case you would have to establish residency in your state for 90 days, so get a utility bill in your name ASAP. Some states have slightly different requirements for proof of residency, so check your state's rules.


http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/ffl/ffl-newsletter-2008-11.pdf

ozhuntsman
January 29, 2011, 03:38 AM
"What is it that you get paid to do?"

i operate directional drills, boring holes under roads and rivers for pipes and cables. as well as driving trucks, backhoes, excavators and the like.

its good to know i would be able to pursue my interests, if i was able to move to the USA.

thanks.

ozhuntsman
April 2, 2011, 08:35 AM
Along the lines of this thread and my plans to move to the USA. I was wondering roughly what sort of $$ a directional driller/ backhoe operator earns in your country?

As I'm keener than ever to enjoy the american lifestyle.

thanks.

defcon
April 2, 2011, 08:49 AM
One needed a only a valid Florida driver's license to purchase a gun in Florida a while back as far as I know. That proves legal residency.

BCCL
April 2, 2011, 11:40 AM
Legal immigrants can even in this gun-hating state....shoot, we had a guy on our local County Sheriff's Auxiliary for a few years, that wasn't a US citizen. Wore a uniform, packed a 6" .357.

Over 10 years later, he was in the local newspaper for having just completed his citizenship stuff and becoming a citizen.

mmitch
April 2, 2011, 07:54 PM
If it's important, why not become a citizen of These United States?

Mike

Neverwinter
April 2, 2011, 08:24 PM
Going from immigrant alien to citizen is not an instantaneous process. I know several h1b visa immigrants working at my company for years and just only got their citizenship. Would you be willing to wait a few years after moving between states to get your RKBA back?

Sent from a van down by the river

KodiakBeer
April 2, 2011, 08:27 PM
My wife is a resident alien. She carries her gun in her jacket pocket and here in Alaska doesn't have or need a permit to do so.

ozhuntsman
April 2, 2011, 08:54 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I was wondering roughly what sort of $$ a directional driller/ backhoe operator earns in your country? as this will determine if I can afford to move or not. ( the wife won't be happy about it if I have to take a paycut to).

I don't mean to ask exact amounts of what other members earn. Just a rough ball park figure on what i could expect to earn with my current skill set and experience in that industry.

Thanks

hammerklavier
April 2, 2011, 09:02 PM
A quick internet search turned up two answers both agreed with this figure:

35 to 50K salary, with field incentives of $500-$750/day in the field. Total package of 150 to 300K per year.

Of course I don't know what industry they were thinking of... that may be the figure for oil field directional drillers.

Ole Coot
April 2, 2011, 09:15 PM
I think you will find our "worst" states for firearms beats the dickens out of what you have now and 50K and up will be the average pay in most areas, some more some less.

KodiakBeer
April 2, 2011, 09:16 PM
Most of the country is in a recession, so... keep that in mind. Here in Alaska, we're in better shape than elsewhere and a heavy equipment operator will make $50 to $70 an hour. Up on the north slope, he can make considerably more. A lot of those big money jobs are set up where you live in civilized Anchorage and fly in for for a couple of weeks of work living out of a barracks, then get a couple of weeks off. It's rugged and cold, but the money is good and you can't beat Alaska for hunting.

You can actually search for jobs online.

ozhuntsman
April 2, 2011, 09:21 PM
Okay thanks.

I tried searching on the job sites but nothing came of for directional drillers.

What are the good job sites?

Paladin38-40
April 2, 2011, 09:22 PM
Under federal law a citizen of another country may purchase a firearm if they are a resident of the State in which the firearm is purchased and have been a resident for an uninterrupted 90 days.

The dealer must obtain proof of residency by examination of documents such as a lease or utility bill showing at least 90 days of time has passed. The person must also present a photo ID. Both are recorded on the Form 4473.

A private citizen may not transfer a firearm to a non resident either.

Florida will issue a CCW license to a legal resident assuming all other criteria are met.

GRIZ22
April 2, 2011, 09:26 PM
heavy equipment operator will make $50 to $70 an hour.

Kodiak you also need to relate the high cost of living in Alaska. That eats up a lot of the high pay.

hermannr
April 2, 2011, 10:45 PM
I was a green card from Canada up until 1970, and this is what I found out before I gave up my Green card.

Depends on the state. National Law says there is no problem, some states (like NY and MA) are very restrictive, but then they are restrictive to their own citizens also.

Where I now live in WA, if you are a green card, they have a seperate "alien" license, basically so they can check police records of your home country,,,and it takes a bit longer, but it is still shall issue.

MO absolutely will not issue to a Green Card, TN will...read the state law and choose you poison carefully.

Bernie Lomax
April 2, 2011, 10:57 PM
Here is the Arizona statute regarding aliens in possession of firearms, which, as I understand it, is copied verbatim from the federal statute:

7. "Prohibited possessor" means any person:

...

(e) Who is an undocumented alien or a nonimmigrant alien traveling with or without documentation in this state for business or pleasure or who is studying in this state and who maintains a foreign residence abroad. This subdivision does not apply to:

(i) Nonimmigrant aliens who possess a valid hunting license or permit that is lawfully issued by a state in the United States.

(ii) Nonimmigrant aliens who enter the United States to participate in a competitive target shooting event or to display firearms at a sports or hunting trade show that is sponsored by a national, state or local firearms trade organization devoted to the competitive use or other sporting use of firearms.

(iii) Certain diplomats.

(iv) Officials of foreign governments or distinguished foreign visitors who are designated by the United States department of state.

(v) Persons who have received a waiver from the United States attorney general.


link (http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03101.htm)

Some states have laws more restrictive than the federal law (Washington is one such state, IIRC) but I don't think that there are many that do.

If you're an immigrant alien, you should be good to go in most states. If you're a non-immigrant alien, but you buy a hunting license and keep it current, you should also be GTG in most states. Hope this helps.

Bernie Lomax
April 2, 2011, 11:01 PM
MO absolutely will not issue to a Green Card, TN will...read the state law and choose you poison carefully.

I don't think this guy is too interested in getting a carry permit, just in having guns for hunting and whatnot. That's not going to be a problem in most states.

rodregier
April 2, 2011, 11:13 PM
Not to hijack your thread, but the reverse situation is a bit of a challenge.
A visiting US citizen who has not established recent residency in a particular state will find it well-nigh impossible to purchase a firearm in the United States.

Fascinating how that works. (Mostly due to how the administration of FFL-based sales are derived from GCA '68 legislation/statute).

ozhuntsman
April 3, 2011, 02:34 AM
i hadn't even considered a CCW permit, as i never thought it would be an option. i was only thinking of hunting/ target shooting and maybe home defense.

i would like to be able to carry but it would depend on how long i would be able to live in the USA.

natman
April 3, 2011, 03:11 AM
One needed a only a valid Florida driver's license to purchase a gun in Florida a while back as far as I know. That proves legal residency.

It's a bit more complicated than that.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/ffl/ffl-newsletter-2008-11.pdf

If you are a permanent resident (immigrant alien) (have a "green" card), you have to show ID, green card and proof of residency in the state for the last 90 days (utility bills, etc).

If you are NOT a permanent resident (non-immigrant alien) it's a bit more complicated. You have to show proof of residency and have an exception, the most practical of which is a hunting license.

The link shows FEDERAL requirements for residency, state requirements may vary. California, for example, will NOT accept bank statements as proof, even though the Feds will.

KodiakBeer
April 3, 2011, 01:19 PM
Here's a place to search for Alaska jobs. http://www.jobs.state.ak.us/

I'd also google around to various companies within Alaska and look on their specific sites.

crossrhodes
April 4, 2011, 08:08 AM
You must be a legal permanent resident IE green card holder and have residency in the state you live in. You would provide you alien registration number along with the normal required information when you purchase a firearm. The I94 is not valid unless it's your temp green card with picture attached, while waiting for your original card to be issued to you. The ATF reg explain it pretty good and it's not clouded with lawyer terminology.

Sebastian the Ibis
April 4, 2011, 08:49 AM
With very few exceptions, none of which are relevant to guns, states cannot regulate immigration and naturalization. Therefore states cannot pass gun laws specific to aliens. About all they can go is require documentation that a tourist/ short term visitor would not have time to get. However, if you can establish residence in a state and get a drivers license you should have no problems getting a Concealed Weapons Permit and possibly even NFA weapons depending on where you live.

hermannr
April 4, 2011, 02:10 PM
Hunting and shooting? Go purchase a hunting license and enjoy. I'm pretty sure you can even do that in NY and MA.

It is the undocumented aliens (no Visa, No Green Card) that are restricted. I was particularly speaking to CC when I wrote my first piece...sorry. Keep your nose clean, and reside in the "correct" state, as a green card you too can CC.

hermannr
April 4, 2011, 02:18 PM
Sebasitian: The states can regulate concealed carry...oh yes they can, and do.

AndyC
April 4, 2011, 02:48 PM
In my experience, it was no guns until 90 days after the issuance of the Green Card itself.

KodiakBeer
April 4, 2011, 02:56 PM
The Green card merely provides legal residency, not citizenship. But legal residency is all you need to own guns. I don't know about carry laws in other states, but here in Alaska any legal resident can carry a concealed weapon.

What I'm not sure about is bringing in the guns he already owns. He won't be a legal resident for some period, so...? I'm not sure what legal hoops he'd have to jump through, or if there are any?

Maybe the guns have more value in Oz, and he'd be better off selling them there and buying what he wants here?

oneounceload
April 4, 2011, 04:00 PM
Here in Florida, there is a lot of directional bore drilling going n for utility installation under the roads. Most are done by small companies who contract with the utilities. I will say, however, that the pay scale isn't 50-70 per hour as it appears to be in Alaska; more like 10-20...................but then we don't freeze our butts off 8 months a year.....:D

Resident alien status will have you good to go

hermannr
April 4, 2011, 06:32 PM
My experience with heavy equipment and directional drilling. Directional drilling is used a lot in the SE (I would assume also the NE) and pays more than just a regular backhoe operator, especially if you are working in the oil patch. Regular CDL truck driver can expect about $40k a year.

However, North slope pays 3 to 4 times anything else,,,,if you can stand the isolation and weather. There are a lot of people here in WA that work the North Slope for 6 months and live down here for 6 months on the procedes of the 6 months working on the North Slope.


The reason is, the tundra has to be frozen before they allow the rigs on it.

crossrhodes
April 4, 2011, 10:01 PM
If you are an LPR and have firearms you wish to bring to this country, need to fill out and submit ATF form 6 and then go talk to a customs broker for import into the states. If you meet the feds (ATF) requirements then you need to establish residency in the state you want to keep your fire arms. The state can not regulate IM laws but they can regulate firearm laws dealing with immigration status.

dChris
April 5, 2011, 03:07 PM
Sebasitian: The states can regulate concealed carry...oh yes they can, and do.
he was talking about regulation with regard to immigrant status not regulation of concealed carry.

theoldgoat
April 6, 2011, 12:30 AM
It depends on what type of work, oil field, utilities, etc. You would need to get a CDL (commercial Drivers License) to drive truck. You do not need to be a US citizen for that. We have all nationalities driving trucks on our highways. The oil field work in the mountain states is still in a boom and as long as the price of oil is at or over $100 a barrel it will be in a boom. If you don't mind working 10 days on / 10 days off or a week on / week off you can make some good money, $60k, $70k, $80k. The crude oil haulers make good money also.

Many of the states are neck deep in road construction due to stimulus money. This will not go on forever.

I don't think you would have a hard time getting a job in your field. You seem to be specialized in your field. Back hoe operators are plentiful. It is the drilling that will get you the kind of money you need or want. You can live quite well on $70k in the mountain west, central, and southern states.

Texas might seem the most like home for you. They have one of the best if not the best economy right now and are very gun friendly. Arizona, Utah, Colorado are also very gun friendly. Alaska if you can handle cold weather and little to no day light in the winter (the lack of daylight in the winter would be a no-go for me). Wyoming is quite unique as is Montana. Both cold in the winter and very independent.

Just stay off of both the west and east coasts or any of the blue states. Blue states are the ones that tend to lean to the left and have wacky gun laws.


Thanks for the replies everyone.
I was wondering roughly what sort of $$ a directional driller/ backhoe operator earns in your country? as this will determine if I can afford to move or not. ( the wife won't be happy about it if I have to take a paycut to).

I don't mean to ask exact amounts of what other members earn. Just a rough ball park figure on what i could expect to earn with my current skill set and experience in that industry.

Thanks

ozhuntsman
April 6, 2011, 07:31 AM
Thanks for all the posts, I'll have to come for a holiday first to find an area I like best.

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