ATF shenanigans - Project Gunrunner


PDA






LegalAlien
February 1, 2011, 12:21 PM
Been following this on a few websites for the past couple of months and now it is picking up steam

Senator Grassley is in contact with the ATF and DOJ and is requesting a hearing.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/media-begins-noticing-project-gunwalker

There is mention of ATF indirectly being implicated in the death of border agent Bryan Terry.

Many links to follow with archived blogs on how this has been building up. Some good reading.

It is now also going viral with over 72k hits on Google.

If you enjoyed reading about "ATF shenanigans - Project Gunrunner" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
merlinfire
February 1, 2011, 01:43 PM
If this turns out to be true, I hope that nail them hard.

LegalAlien
February 1, 2011, 01:55 PM
If this turns out to be true, . . . .

True? . . . . . have you read the letters from Grassley to Melson?

Have you noticed that ATF insider whistleblowers have already been in contact with Grassley's office and they have already been provided with official whistleblower status protection.

Just that, in my books, already gives it an extremely strong ring of truthfullness . . . .

Just saying . . . :D

Dave Workman
February 1, 2011, 05:59 PM
Codrea turned me onto this and I've added my 0.02 worth to the discussion with an angle on another situation in Seattle.

I've got copies of Grassley's letters. Pretty interesting reading!

---------------------------------------------

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/selective-seattle-coverage-bloomy-gun-show-sting-v-alleged-atf-negligence



Or try this:



http://tinyurl.com/4osqg6w

Cap'n Jack Burntbeard
February 1, 2011, 07:51 PM
If this is true, it would not surprise me at all.
The BATFE has never been a paragon of ethics.

NJ Accountant
February 2, 2011, 01:36 PM
Yeah I've been following this story and reluctance of the media to cover it. The associated press finally picked up the story and it is appearing on several news sites. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Here's for a thorough cleaning up of the atf!

Tinman357
February 2, 2011, 03:17 PM
The BATFE desperately needs an enema... The only issue it where to stick the nozzle. :neener:

essayons21
February 2, 2011, 03:22 PM
ATF and DEA both need to have their budgets slashed and be rolled into the FBI. The continued misconduct results from superfluous agencies continually trying to justify themselves to Congressional budgetary hearings.

JWF III
February 2, 2011, 08:47 PM
ATF should be rolled back into the "Treasury Department", as that's what they were originally. Let them deal with the tax issues (NFA items, maybe FFL liscenses, MAYBE) only. Let the FBI deal with criminal acts pertaining to guns.

Wyman

TexasRifleman
February 2, 2011, 08:53 PM
Picking up speed in the media.

Fox News has a front page article up now:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/02/senator-calls-atf-allegations-agency-allowing-guns-mexico/

papa_bear
February 2, 2011, 09:46 PM
Wow. This is the first I have heard of this. If this is true, those responsible should tried for treason. Here is an easy to follow link if your not familiar with the story.... Story Time Line (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/a-journalist-s-guide-to-project-gunwalker)

revjen45
February 2, 2011, 09:53 PM
ATF resents being called Nazis. Not only are they Nazis, but they are the equivalent of the Dirlewanger Division - the dregs of the SS.

Firehand
February 2, 2011, 10:48 PM
If you've got time, go over to Sipsey Streethttp://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/ and start working your way down; lots and lots of posts and links with more information.

killchain
February 2, 2011, 10:48 PM
Wow. This is the first I have heard of this. If this is true, those responsible should tried for treason. Here is an easy to follow link if your not familiar with the story.... Story Time Line (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/a-journalist-s-guide-to-project-gunwalker)
Treason?

Really?

Treason is a seditious act to subvert the country for an enemy force.

If they were running guns to the Taliban, maybe...

Larry E
February 2, 2011, 11:45 PM
From my dealings with ATF when I had an FFL many years ago, and from my dealings with the FBI in connection with my job before I retired, I have close to zero use for either organization. They both seem to believe that they're superior to mere citizens, and do what they bloody well please unless someone yanks their leash every two steps.

Like most other things that the federal government has its fingers in some or many (depending on agency maybe) of its employees don't seem to believe that the rules apply to them.

papa_bear
February 3, 2011, 01:38 AM
Treason?

Really?

Treason is a seditious act to subvert the country for an enemy force.

If they were running guns to the Taliban, maybe...
If this story is true than the people responsible for this would be an internal enemy force jeopardizing our constitution and 2nd amendment for money and or political reason. If this is not treason, then I don't know what is. However, until hard evidence comes to light it is here say.

The Mexican president just came over here stating we should abolish the 2nd A and join the UN small arms treaty because the cartels were getting their weapons from us. Had to be about a year ago. And the whole time it was a false flag smuggling by our own government agency. Go figure. The DEA is accused of dealing drugs, CIA accused of sponsoring terror, now ATF smuggling weapons. Who are the bad guys?

killchain
February 3, 2011, 07:20 AM
If this story is true than the people responsible for this would be an internal enemy force jeopardizing our constitution and 2nd amendment for money and or political reason. If this is not treason, then I don't know what is. However, until hard evidence comes to light it is here say.

The Mexican president just came over here stating we should abolish the 2nd A and join the UN small arms treaty because the cartels were getting their weapons from us. Had to be about a year ago. And the whole time it was a false flag smuggling by our own government agency. Go figure. The DEA is accused of dealing drugs, CIA accused of sponsoring terror, now ATF smuggling weapons. Who are the bad guys?
But not to a foreign power trying to defeat us in war.

It's not treason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

Last time I checked, we're not at war with Mexico, and furthermore those drug cartels aren't an acting arm of the Mexican government. Technically.

Gouranga
February 3, 2011, 08:37 AM
I fail to see WHY we have the ATF anyway. Seems to me the US already has the FBI to enforce laws, including those for alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Seems to me the FBI has a much better defined and monitored program for its officers. Also seems to me with a government needing ot find ways to save money they could just create a new division of the FBI to focus on ATF type things and reduce bureaucracy.

These guys selling firearms to people deliberately across the border is worse enough. That they then used THOSE arrests and gun to try to justify a power grab is total BS. I mean the gun store owners cooperated with them. If anything, their argument should have been that the system worked as they were able to identify and take apart a network of straw buyers with the cooperation of RESPONSIBLE gun store owners.

Now they go after their employees for whistleblowing. How much you want to bet any store that cooperates sees their FFL disappear.

Owen
February 6, 2011, 02:50 PM
the ATF wasn't "Law Enforcement" until recently. before the move to DHS, they were tax collectors.

NJ Accountant
February 11, 2011, 02:31 PM
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/02/robert-farago/gunwalker-scandal-blows-up-senator-grassley-releases-smoking-gun-atf-trace-data/

This is also an update on the "project gunwalker" story that I've mentioned before. Looks like the Senator is going to rip some heads off.

tyme
February 11, 2011, 02:45 PM
The original "tax collection" mandate of the ATF was a scam -- a selective firearms ban under cover of tax collection.

The government knew it couldn't forbid ownership or sales of firearms outright, so they resorted to a punitive tax.

The only reason the "taxes" seem marginally tolerable now is that the tax fees haven't been adjusted for inflation.

The BATF needs to go.

merlinfire
February 11, 2011, 02:56 PM
The official document:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48549160/RosettaStone

This is the real deal. I say I hope they get slammed, and slammed hard.

JayBird
February 11, 2011, 03:49 PM
The official document:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48549160/RosettaStone

This is the real deal. I say I hope they get slammed, and slammed hard.
I kind of like how everyone that was cc'd or sent that letter was labeled in the 'Honorific" with the exception of the acting director of the ATF :neener:

Dave Workman
February 11, 2011, 06:40 PM
CCRKBA calls for Senate investigation of ATF controversy

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/bulletin-bellevue-group-calls-for-senate-investigation-of-atf-controversy

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/4qd3fyq


=============================================

One Washington to the other: Crime stats tell the tale


A spokeswoman for the Seattle Police Department said today that the city posted only 19 homicides in 2010, the lowest figure in recent memory, while Washington, D.C. – a city with a similar-sized population – logged 131 homicides, according to the Metropolitan Police Department’s website.


http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/one-washington-to-the-other-crime-stats-tell-the-tale

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/4oz6ufn

Zoogster
February 11, 2011, 08:00 PM
Also seems to me with a government needing ot find ways to save money they could just create a new division of the FBI to focus on ATF type things and reduce bureaucracy.


You think that is going to solve things?


That is how the ATF started.
It goes back to the "Untouchables" and the Prohibition Bureau.
Agents needed work after prohibition ended so they went from alcohol prohibition to enforcing strict alcohol laws.
Then they had Tobacco added.
In 1968 with the Gun Control Act they had firearms added.


You can be sure many of the same agents in need of work would simply be applying and transferred to the new FBI division.


It would remove the perceived bad guy, and the new bad guy would just be part of an even larger federal agency with a bigger budget that arguably could be even more of a nuisance to FFLs and others when they were made to prioritize such things as when an anti-gun President or Attorney General is in office.

Currently it is a small agency with limited funding tasked with monitoring a large number of people. Which means they have to prioritize who they harass, the budget is too small to harass everyone.
In a bigger agency the budget might be bigger for such tasks at various times like when the politics is right. They wouldn't have to give more money to the ATF through Congress, the FBI could just divert more of its budget at the whim of the president.
A bigger agency gives a more fluid budget which would allow a large quantity of money to go towards anti-gun efforts at times. They can for example decide to devote X % of the FBI budget to such a task.
Allowing a much larger number of people to be harassed.


Right now it is one agency that can be the bad guy, have its funding well controlled, and its scope limited to what those in office wish.
Yes the agency has far more discretion in interpretation that it should on many issues. It also does things wrong. But everyone knows who they are, part of their own agency, focusing primarily on certain elements of the law.

It is the laws that need changing.

LAK
February 18, 2011, 04:20 AM
But not to a foreign power trying to defeat us in war.

It's not treason.
It is a foreign power, one that has allegiance to no particular country, an ideology that is foreign, and agenda to destroy ours. It is a war.

It is a subversive attack on our country.

In an open war with a specific nation such people would be tried for spying and subversion. Those holding American citizenship among them would be tried for treason.

They are overthrowing our government from the inside. They need to be treated as such.

----------------------------------

Je Suis Prest

KBintheSLC
February 21, 2011, 02:00 PM
This is nice to hear...

FoxNews.com previously reported that an often-quoted statistic that 90 percent of guns used in Mexico crimes came from the U.S. was, in fact, a myth. Only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have actually been traced to the U.S.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/02/senator-calls-atf-allegations-agency-allowing-guns-mexico/

mustang_steve
February 22, 2011, 03:40 AM
The ATF does need to go, no organization should have the power to "will" something illegal without legislative due process.

Dave Workman
February 23, 2011, 05:47 PM
Many of you High Roaders have read my stuff about this.


http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/02/breaking-story-cbs-to-take-up-gunwalker.html

Wednesday, February 23, 2011

BREAKING STORY: CBS to take up Gunwalker Scandal tonight!


David Codrea:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/breaking-cbs-to-report-tonight-on-project-gunwalker

Travis McGee
February 23, 2011, 06:22 PM
Great, thanks, the radar is cranking that way!

Geno
February 23, 2011, 06:34 PM
Thanks for the post.

Geno

Shadow 7D
February 23, 2011, 07:46 PM
It's on Newradio hour and Half hour updates, says that there are now more ATF agents coming out and that it was almost to fisticuffs over letting the guns walk.

Geno
February 23, 2011, 07:59 PM
Wow, that was some of the most objective firearms reporting I have seen in a very long time. The focus actually was not on the firearms directly, but more on the misconduct. I especially appreciate the fact that the news stated that the FFLs wanted to cease the sales, but the ATF did not allow it. How ironic then, that the ATF now wants to issue "demand letters" in four states bordering Mexico, based on multiple sales of 30 cal "assault" rifles. Perhaps along with adding a Congressional audit of the Fed, Congress should add an audit of the BATFE. A wonderful outcome might be that the agency's acronym be reduced from BATFE to just B. Thanks again for the alert.

Geno

merlinfire
February 23, 2011, 10:07 PM
I hope the result of this scandal is that congress rethinks the wisdom of granting such sweeping regulatory power to an executive agency, with so little oversight.

Legionnaire
February 23, 2011, 11:34 PM
Link to story:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.1

JTHunter
February 23, 2011, 11:51 PM
Typical "snow job" by a major media outlet.
Who was it, several years ago, when one of these "news magazines" was doing a story on the danger of "sidesaddle" fuel tanks on certain pick-ups? They didn't get the nice explosion and fire from a side impact so they added some "ignitors" to "embellish" the explosive potential.

walker944
February 24, 2011, 12:01 AM
...and the very last line of the story says it all!!! In a letter, the Justice Department which oversees ATF says the agency has never knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to suspected gunrunners.

crossrhodes
February 24, 2011, 01:06 AM
Can any point me in the direction to see this in print. I wish I'd know it was on the news.

Shadow 7D
February 24, 2011, 01:11 AM
Check your local station, most have the segments and I think it's up at CBS News.

Mac11
February 24, 2011, 08:41 AM
Is it strange that none of the other networks have picked up on this yet. CBS has run the segment a couple of times this morning tho. Maybe its too fresh.... or maybe its in the process of being squashed. Sure makes me wonder what other underhanded crap ATF if trying behind our backs!

paramedic70002
February 24, 2011, 10:13 AM
It was 20/20 that rigged the trucks to explode.

MikeNice
February 24, 2011, 11:38 AM
It was Dateline NBC. General Motors actually filed suit for libel after the show aired.

I am glad that CBS is bringing some attention to this. It is time one of the major networks actually took a break from crucifying guns and their owners.

MartinS
February 24, 2011, 01:05 PM
You can write to Senator Grassley, you don't have to be an Iowan. Tell him the ATF is blowing smoke in the face of a United States Senator and it offends you. He is Ranking Member of the Senate Committee of the Judiciary. He is on this, show him you are concerned.

Dave Workman
February 24, 2011, 02:49 PM
Bellevue v. Beltway: Gottlieb tells Holder ‘Investigate ATF or resign’

Washington State’s leading gun rights advocate wants heads to roll over the “Project Gunrunner” scandal, which was launched in 2009 ostensibly to curb the flow of American guns – some traced back to the Evergreen State – that are allegedly fueling the violent Mexican drug cartel war.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/bellevue-v-beltway-gottlieb-tells-holder-investigate-atf-or-resign-1

Or try this:
http://tinyurl.com/4s8ejm5

Dave Workman
February 24, 2011, 02:51 PM
Dang I missed it

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can any point me in the direction to see this in print. I wish I'd know it was on the news.

Not to worry:

There are links in my column (above)

TexasBill
February 24, 2011, 04:14 PM
Typical "snow job" by a major media outlet.
Who was it, several years ago, when one of these "news magazines" was doing a story on the danger of "sidesaddle" fuel tanks on certain pick-ups? They didn't get the nice explosion and fire from a side impact so they added some "ignitors" to "embellish" the explosive potential.


That was NBC's "Dateline" show. And NBC paid dearly for it, as they should have.

Why are you so dismissive? What "snow job" did you see that others didn't? And why the comparison to the Dateline scandal? Do you think CBS had a mole in the BATFE running the operation to discredit the agency? Or perhaps they hired a hit man to take out the DHS agent and make it look like the cartel did it using what may have been guns brought in from the U.S. during the operation their mole was running?

I am not saying we should be excited because CBS is now "pro-gun" because they certainly aren't. But I think they did the public a service by making public some of what government agencies will do to justify their existence or accumulate more power.

Dave Workman
February 24, 2011, 04:48 PM
I agree, Bill.
I watched the piece a couple of times and can find no problem with it. CBS and especially reporter Atkisson did a bang-up job. That the agency is circling its wagons is no surprise. This is an embarrassment of monumental proportions and as Gottlieb said in the thing I quoted (above), it's time for a full bore investigation, and those responsible need to be fired immediately.

As Atkisson said, this scandal may be bigger than Waco and Ruby Ridge, if the critics are right. Maybe it is. I don't really know, but what I do know because I have copies of documents and Grassley's letters, is that ATF really screwed this pooch and and there's a dead federal officer to underscore that.


I came in late on this because it was Codrea's story and I don't feel like poaching. But then some local angles popped up and I went after them.

Thanks for reading and joining this discussion!

Mac11
February 24, 2011, 08:40 PM
Just wrote both WA Senators to voice my concern and to enlist their support for Sen Grassely's investigation into "Gunrunner". Hope you all do likewise in your home states. FOXNEWS is doing a report on it right now.

MartinS
February 25, 2011, 01:36 PM
Right.
You can write to Senator Grassley, you don't have to be an Iowan. Tell him the ATF is blowing smoke in the face of a United States Senator and it offends you. He is Ranking Member of the Senate Committee of the Judiciary. He is on this, show him you are concerned.

2ndAmFan
February 25, 2011, 01:51 PM
Wrote him.

Mossberg535
February 25, 2011, 07:47 PM
BATFE Scandal and Cover up !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il10KD1cOgQ&feature=related

Dulvarian
February 26, 2011, 03:25 AM
Wrote him as well.

Recommend writing to your own state senators and encouraging them to support him in this matter.

I'm actually writing to my home of record senators and state of residence senators, but I'll do that tomorrow because I'm in the garage and the battery on the laptop is running low. :D

cheygriz
February 28, 2011, 12:17 PM
As long as beer and basketball are available, 90 percent of Americans don't give a ****.:banghead::banghead:

dirtykid
February 28, 2011, 01:37 PM
From what i watched i understood that 1-Man (An american citizen-Latino by race) purchased over 500-semi-auto AK-47's within 1-year and the BATF "let them slide" because they were 'tracking" them to the final destination,, well they lost some of them and 2-of the guns this guy bought "legally" showed up at that crime scene where the federal officer was killed,, very frustrating ,,,, one of the "inside" people that protested their supervisor's decisions quoted that about 2500-guns were involved ,,, UGH !!

eqlzr
February 28, 2011, 02:01 PM
Is there a "waiting period" in Arizona, and how long must that be for 500 AK-47s?

armoredman
February 28, 2011, 02:36 PM
Sure is, about 5 minutes for the phone call, seems like forever sometimes...

Davek1977
February 28, 2011, 04:22 PM
Even in states WITH waiting periods, the length of the wait is not determined by the number of guns being purchased

MikeNice
February 28, 2011, 05:24 PM
Waiting periods would be pointless against this type of crime any way. Go to three different stores and purchase the weapons. Then go pick them all up and drop them off the day after the waiting period ends. All it does is delay the return on investment.

Studies have shown that waiting periods have little to no effect on gun related crime.

mr.scott
March 3, 2011, 10:56 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

ATF agent spills the beans on the agencies "plan" to allow guns to be smuggled into Mexico by the crate full.
Only problem is one of those guns was used to kill the US border agent just recently.

kludge
March 3, 2011, 11:07 PM
Well, there. you. go.

Pfletch83
March 3, 2011, 11:15 PM
That is the best reason to End the ATF as well as the Federal Reserve.

Neither do anything except endanger the U.S. Population,one agency does so through monetary policy and the other does so by breaking the same laws they are supposed to enforce.

The Agency did what they did not to stop crimes but to use it as a means to clamp down on the rights of American gun owners.

Anybody else remember Obama and Calderon telling us what WE should do in OUR country....what about the stuff they were allowing to happen?

This is also why the War on drugs should be ended,take the money out of it by legalizing said drugs and the cartels wouldn't have the money to buy their weapons.

Dulvarian
March 4, 2011, 12:37 AM
Pretty sure this is in about 5 threads now.

Davek1977
March 4, 2011, 03:07 AM
Pretty sure this is in about 5 threads now

Perhaps, but now we have a name and face to link to the claims, not "anonymous sources". The fact the ATF is convening a panel to critique their investigatory tactics also hints at them slowly realizing what a public black eye this has the potential to become. Frankly, I don't think the level of outrage is nearly as high as it SHOULD be, but maybe that will change....

Carter
March 4, 2011, 03:15 AM
The video towards the bottom of the page was actually pretty fair compared to what I expected. It called the rifles "ak-47 type semi automatics" instead of "automatic ak-47's". However, they did throw around the term assault rifle a lot.

I hope something major comes out of all this.
I haven't heard about this till recently, so I'm playing catch up on it.

Quiet
March 4, 2011, 03:27 AM
Can anyone else hear the paper shredders working overtime in Washington DC?
:cuss:

Shadow 7D
March 4, 2011, 03:48 AM
Shoot what shredding
I was just making gerbil litter for Mr. Nibbles, Oh was that the report you were looking for....

Too bad congress can't send the FBI or Marshal to arrest somebody for Contempt of Congress...

Carl N. Brown
March 4, 2011, 08:25 AM
Agent tells CBS News ATF program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican cartels.
....

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358369n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea

ATF let guns into Mexico?
March 3, 2011 12:07 PM

An ATF agent tells CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he was ordered to sit by and watch guns get into the hands of criminals in Mexico.


Not only were some ATF agents upset about the guns being allowed to "walk" into Mexico, but most of the gun dealers were upset that they were told to let the shady characters continue buying them.

Jolly Rogers
March 4, 2011, 09:34 AM
I read the first report of this issue in the Washington Post today 03-04-2011. As usual the editorial staff are right on top of the situation WRT the current administrations relationship with gun control. :scrutiny:
Joe

InkEd
March 4, 2011, 10:14 AM
Is anyone REALLY surprised that the government did something to further a specific agenda?

Sam1911
March 4, 2011, 10:29 AM
[Several Threads Merged]

John_galt
March 4, 2011, 03:21 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml

I just picked this story to link here. Google Dodson and ATF there are a bunch. This is incredible! Especially from the current Administration. They obviously are a political slant oppsed to firearms, to do this just seems the height of hypocrisy.

Bubbles
March 4, 2011, 03:55 PM
Insiders View of the ATF Phoenix Division (http://cleanupatf.org/forums/index.php?/topic/153-phoenix-division/)

ATF memo after CBS report: We need positive press (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20039251-10391695.html?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel)

...after our Feb. 22 report, ATF's Chief Public Affairs officer sent an all-call internal memo to ATF Public Information Officers in an effort to "lessen the coverage of such stories in the news cycle by replacing them with good stories about ATF."

Text of ATF internal memo:
Public Information Officers:

Please make every effort for the next two weeks to maximize coverage of ATF operations/enforcement actions/arrests at the local and regional level. Given the negative coverage by CBS Evening News last week and upcoming events this week, the bureau should look for every opportunity to push coverage of good stories. Fortunately, the CBS story has not sparked any follow up coverage by mainstream media and seems to have fizzled.

It was shoddy reporting , as CBS failed to air on-the-record interviews by former ATF officials and HQ statements for attribution that expressed opposing views and explained the law and difficulties of firearm trafficking investigations. The CBS producer for the story made only a feigned effort at the 11th hour to reach ATF HQ for comment.

This week (To 3/1/2011), Attorney General Holder testifies on the Hill and likely will get questions about the allegations in the story. Also (The 3/3/2011), Mexico President Calderon will visit the White House and likely will testify on the Hill. He will probably draw attention to the lack of political support for demand letter 3 and Project Gunrunner.

ATF needs to proactively push positive stories this week, in an effort to preempt some negative reporting, or at minimum, lessen the coverage of such stories in the news cycle by replacing them with good stories about ATF. The more time we spend highlighting the great work of the agents through press releases and various media outreaches in the coming days and weeks, the better off we will be.

Thanks for your cooperation in this matter. If you have any significant operations that should get national media coverage, please reach out to the Public Affairs Division for support, coordination and clearance.

Thank you,
Scot

Scot L. Thomasson
Chief ATF Public Affairs Division
Washington, DC

Desk 202-648-XXXX
Cell 206-XXX-XXXX

ATBackPackin
March 4, 2011, 05:42 PM
I am utterly repulsed after spending the last two hours going through all of the reports, interviews, and articles. What a sad day for this country I love so much.

I will say this however, I'm extremely pleased to know we still have a few honorable people working for the government and implore that they themselves do not become the scapegoats. I plead that the blame lands squarely where it should, on the heads of these gun-grabbing, imbecilic, and poor excuse of a human beings.

Shawn

Deanimator
March 4, 2011, 06:59 PM
No one should be surprised that an organization which made an official "How to Lie Under Oath" training video would do this.

The BATF[E] has been corrupt to the bone from day one.

Hypnogator
March 4, 2011, 11:04 PM
My E-Mail to Senator Grassley:

Senator Grassley:

OK, let me get this straight: When border-state gun dealers report suspicious multiple purchases to ATF, they order the dealers to sell the guns anyway, then let them disappear into Mexico, in order to justify new regulations requiring dealers in border states to report multiple purchases, and to substantiate the administration's claims that most guns used in Mexico's drug wars come from the US. And now, the chickens have come home to roost, and a Border Patrol Agent lies dead, shot by one of the guns that ATF could have interdicted.

ATF's pandering to administration politics certainly seems complicit in the death of a Federal law enforcement officer. I urge you not to let them stonewall you, and to hold their feet to the fire for politicizing their investigation, thus jeopardizing lives on both sides of the border.

:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

Ken Ford
March 5, 2011, 12:59 AM
At the rate that mexican cartels are killing our own people I would say that they did assist our enemys. What would you call them?

If you enjoyed reading about "ATF shenanigans - Project Gunrunner" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!