Guns for sale/shipped with a chambered round


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W L Johnson
February 1, 2011, 01:32 PM
Came across this
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/01/rule-no-1-violation.html

Brings back memories, I had a used Saiga shipped awhile back from a (shall remain unnamed) very large gun dealer. The FFL didn't catch it, and when I went to pick it up he handed me the box and the first thing I always do out of habit when I pick up a firearm is check the chamber at which point a live round falls out and the mag was full and inserted, oops. The FFL had a cow and preceded to call the dealer and give them a piece of his mind. This gun was sitting in the selling dealer's display the whole time chambered and was shipped in this condition. Thankfully unlike in the link no one got hurt.

I think this is good reminder to always check the chamber no matter what.

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MrOldLude
February 1, 2011, 01:37 PM
On the brightside, hey, free cartridge!

armabill
February 1, 2011, 01:59 PM
You should have said,"Where's the rest of them"?

joeq
February 1, 2011, 02:02 PM
Hard too see a bright side in that. It's amazing the seller hadn't made sure it was cleared. I bet he checks every weapon in the shop from now on. Someone could have easily been killed.

Deltaboy
February 1, 2011, 02:10 PM
LOL sorry that is just plain funny and a good reminder to always check the chamber and keep you fingers outside the trigger guard.

highorder
February 1, 2011, 03:34 PM
I worked for an FFL a while back. Someone had bought a Kimber 1911 before I came in around 1600 one day, and I found it sitting in the back to be inspected and logged into the book. I was interested for myself, so I picked it up and dropped the mag. Empty. A quick rack of the slide tossed a live 230gr ball round onto the counter.

How no one cleared the weapon before me is a mystery.

jon86
February 1, 2011, 03:51 PM
Wow. Just Wow. I don't think this is the least bit amusing. There is no room for complacency with a lot of jobs, including those who deal with firearms.

ekgandj
February 1, 2011, 03:56 PM
This why so many "empty" guns kill people.


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swagner89
February 1, 2011, 04:47 PM
LOL sorry that is just plain funny and a good reminder to always check the chamber and keep you fingers outside the trigger guard.

how bout keeping your hands away from the muzzle when you're pulling the trigger! ;)

UKarmourer
February 1, 2011, 05:26 PM
I have a 5ft sign outside my workshop, it states clearly ' No ammunition, live or blank allowed past this point'

Couple of weeks ago some captain brings in a weapon that has been ND'd (I have to inspect all ND wpns)

Puts it on the counter, signs the book, I clear the weapon, put it in the rack.
He walks out, I notice a mag on the counter, pick it up, half full of blank rounds.

Captain recieves full bore blast of highly annoyed NCO, before I notice that his entire troop is outside- oops! On the plus side he was man enough to admit his mistake and apologise.

Seen all kinds of ND's from weapons that the guys working on them, worst I have heard of was the armourer who jumped inn the turret of an AFV, hit the foot firing switch and fired a 30mm inside a FOB! fail.

paramedic70002
February 2, 2011, 01:50 AM
Before I had kids, all my guns were loaded. There was no question of if they were 'safe' because they weren't.

Wedge
February 2, 2011, 09:29 AM
SOP between my friends and myself when looking at each others firearms. Recent exchange: I watched him unload it, check the chamber, hand it to me, then I checked the chamber, looked/examined the piece, checked the chamber, handed it back to him and he checked the chamber. Yes we cleared it that many times just handing a known unloaded firearm back and forth.

CalebJns
February 2, 2011, 09:43 AM
ANYTIME I handle a firearm I ALWAYS check it...even if the owner clears it in front of me. There is one local shop that I for the most part can't stand going into...there is one guy that NEVER checks a firearm (works behind the counter). I asked him why he didn't, "I know they aren't loaded, just trust me. MORON!!!! I have seen a .22 go off in a shop before, cleared it at the door, cleared it at the counter, cleared it behind the counter (they had the magazine in one hand, and racked the slide each time)...unknown to them a shell was stuck in the chamber, and had been there so long it was discolored...the guy squeezed the trigger and put a hole through the ceiling...scared EVERYONE to death, shell still didn't eject...had to ram it out...scary!

robhof
February 2, 2011, 12:28 PM
The 1st thing I taught my son was to safe a gun before handing it to someone and when taking a gun or even picking up a gun, even in a store. I also had an incident in a pawn shop in central Fl., where I asked to look at a Mk 2 pistol and upon racking it a live round poped out. I found out later from the owner that it seems his son and a few employees were testing some of the guns brought in before setting them out for sale. They no longer work for him.

kingpin008
February 2, 2011, 12:43 PM
LOL sorry that is just plain funny and a good reminder to always check the chamber and keep you fingers outside the trigger guard.

Someone getting shot is funny to you? I'm sorry, but even if it WAS due to his own igorance, that's not something to laugh about.

mcdonl
February 2, 2011, 03:24 PM
I have a 5ft sign outside my workshop, it states clearly ' No ammunition, live or blank allowed past this point'

Was this just on base? Not in civilian life right?

UKarmourer
February 2, 2011, 04:38 PM
Thats on my armourers workshop door, on 'base' at my unit.

mcdonl
February 2, 2011, 06:32 PM
Thats on my armourers workshop door, on 'base' at my unit.

Yeah, good call :)

EddieNFL
February 2, 2011, 06:40 PM
worst I have heard of was the armourer who jumped inn the turret of an AFV, hit the foot firing switch and fired a 30mm inside a FOB! fail.

About 20 years ago the crew had a jam with the 40MM Bofors on an AC130. I don't recall the details, but EOD managed to touch off the round. HEI projectile hits the ramp (fortunately, not enough distance to arm), frags the wing with shards of concrete and skitters off into the woods never to be found.

CharlesT
February 2, 2011, 08:51 PM
I worked for an FFL a while back. Someone had bought a Kimber 1911 before I came in around 1600 one day, and I found it sitting in the back to be inspected and logged into the book. I was interested for myself, so I picked it up and dropped the mag. Empty. A quick rack of the slide tossed a live 230gr ball round onto the counter.

How no one cleared the weapon before me is a mystery.

Who was it? Target World? :rolleyes:
lol



I checked a .22 7 times once. While walking with the slide locked open, the bolt slammed closed randomly and fired a round. Scared the ever living S**T out of me. Will ALWAYS stick my finger in the barrel now.

(This was in my basement with 500 FPS primer only ammo BTW)

fatelk
February 2, 2011, 10:22 PM
SOP between my friends and myself when looking at each others firearms. Recent exchange: I watched him unload it, check the chamber, hand it to me, then I checked the chamber, looked/examined the piece, checked the chamber, handed it back to him and he checked the chamber. Yes we cleared it that many times just handing a known unloaded firearm back and forth.
Some would say that this is silly, but it's not. It's learned instinct and is very smart. If you do something like that enough it will become second nature and eventually you will do it automatically without even thinking about it, and it could save your life.

da2mag
February 2, 2011, 10:32 PM
I saw a friend of mine stick his pinky in the chamber of a Rem 722 that had been "cleared" at the door of a gunshow and there was a live round in the chamber. The extractor was not working so just opening the bolt and checking did not show that the gun was loaded, only looking down the barrel or actually feeling the chamber found the loaded round.

CVA-66
February 3, 2011, 02:12 AM
When I am cleaning one of my pistols I alway unload it twice inside the house and once again outside where I'm going to clean it. That way I can be stupid 2 out of 3 times and still live to tell about it. I never accept a firearm from anyone with out checking it myself, it's not unloaded until I see it's unloaded.

The-Reaver
February 3, 2011, 04:38 AM
Oh man my squad leader wanted me to see a rifle that his grandad willed to him... It was sent through the mail, I checked it out and told him what it was, an old very nice condition Mosin 44 well he's lucky im not a retard and I checked the chamber that thing was HOT round in the chamber and the 4 in the mag... That could have ended very badly for anyone.

Shadow 7D
February 3, 2011, 05:26 AM
I had an armorer who posted a nice sign, "I return fire" under neath it the commander had a nice sign about what you would be doing if you survived, the BC came in and got butt hurt about the sign, armorer didn't say a thing, just pointed to a hole and states the officers name, was one of the brigade commanders officers....

shooting time
February 3, 2011, 06:53 AM
I bought a shotgun off a forum and when i got it it had a live round in the chamber.I took it out of the case and opened the action and out popped a 12ga turkey load.

ultradoc
February 3, 2011, 07:42 AM
Years ago I went to an auction that had several firearms for bid. A bidder was checking out a firearm and racked the slide. guess what came out. You bettcha. A round was in the chamber. When me and my buds get together we allways check out the gun to see if it's unloaded

kyletx1911
February 3, 2011, 08:21 AM
Before I had kids, all my guns were loaded. There was no question of if they were 'safe' because they weren't.
yep have a grandbaby here now so except for my edc erything is empty

W L Johnson
February 3, 2011, 08:23 AM
I just remember something from awhile back, didn't Henry ship out some rifles that were still loaded from test firing, and some of these were found to be loaded and chambered on the gun racks at some Walmarts?

ny32182
February 3, 2011, 09:57 AM
I always check an unknown gun that comes into my hand of course (and assuming it is at a gunshop, appreciate when the clerk checks before handing it over).

However, I don't stick my finger into the action of locked open firearms for two reasons:

1) I wouldn't trust the "feel" to tell me anything anyway; I guess my fingers are fat, but they aren't likely going to fit into any chambers. Certainly nothing smaller than a .45 casehead.

2) If the slide/bolt catch lets go while your finger is in the way, your finger will likely then be in the chamber whether it fits or not, and will be staying there for a while.

I want to see two things when checking a firearm: Light through the magwell, and no casehead in the chamber. I don't "trust the extractor", but as far as I'm concerned my vision is much more trustworthy and safer than sticking a finger or other foreign object into the action.

CZguy
February 3, 2011, 01:19 PM
However, I don't stick my finger into the action of locked open firearms for two reasons:


However you choose to clear a firearm is fine with me. In aviation we are taught to both look and touch. The theory is that with repetitive tasks you can over look something. But if you use two senses (visual, and tactile) you won't overlook it. All I can say is it works well for me.

PR-NJ
February 3, 2011, 09:01 PM
I was in a sporting goods store in Upstate NY over the summer, and I spotted a used 45 in a glass display case, along with about 20 other handguns. Right next to to the 45 was its fully loaded magazine! There was no lock on the gun or the display case, and NO employees anywhere near the area. And this in New York!

Wait a minute, Upstate NY is NOT New York.

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