Cheapest 500 yard Rifle


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classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 04:06 PM
I'm looking at used rifles for a friend.... Only has about $750 to drop into a 500 yard gun. Will be a 300-400 yard hunter (White tail deer) and will also be shot at the range. Preferably in .308

Hes okay with an older used single shot design... The simpler the better. Maybe something like an Omark M44?

What are the best options here... Prolly gonna go with a fixed 10x scope.

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Lovesbeer99
February 1, 2011, 04:39 PM
If money is a concern why does it have to be a single shot. FYI Savage makes a few actions in 308 that will take you to 500 yards. You can look at the tactical model on the 10 action or the single shot in the 12 action. You can also find used Rem700 on gunbroker or pawn shots.

If your friend wants to he can just load it one shot at a time.

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 04:41 PM
Well it doesnt have to be single shot... just bolt action of some sort. I just figured a single shot may be cheaper as many find them less desirable.

Boothdt
February 1, 2011, 05:15 PM
I bought my Savage Edge (now called Axis) for right around $350 and it's advertised as a 700ish rifle. I've never tried to reach out that far with it though.

Boothdt
February 1, 2011, 05:16 PM
Sorry, forgot. Bought mine in .308.

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 05:18 PM
I dont think I could allow my friend to get an edge... Heard too many bad things from reputable people in my area. Heard a lot of good about those stevens 200's tho.

henschman
February 1, 2011, 05:21 PM
If you want the cheapest option, it would probably be a Stevens. They are made by Savage and use the same parts.

mdThanatos
February 1, 2011, 05:25 PM
Marlin's X7 series might work for you, I haven't done any paper punching at 500 yards but I have hit steel targets out that far. Cost of the XS7 in .308 I bought came out to $370ish with tax. Then came another $200 for a scope and I forget the mount I used, but for right about $600 I am satisfied.

snakeman
February 1, 2011, 05:25 PM
stevens 200 in 308, rifle basix or timney trigger. Also, check into howa they make darn good guns for the money. My 22-250 shoots .5" groups with handloads. will try to post a pic in a few

jmr40
February 1, 2011, 05:30 PM
If you want 500 yard accuracy forget most single shots. While there are exceptions most good bolt actions are going to be more accurate. I'd look at the Stevens 200, Marlin XS-7, or Weatherby Vanguard. They sell for between $300-$400 new and still leave $300-$400 for good glass.

redneck2
February 1, 2011, 05:33 PM
Instead of looking for "a" rifle, I'd strongly suggest cruising the used rack at all the local stores. There are going to be a lot of rifles in that price range. My local shop has a bunch of of .30-06's way cheap. It's off season for hunting calibers and business is slow.

If you were in this area, I'd get you lined up with a whole package for maybe $500 with a good rifle, not a cheap one. And, some have decent scopes for little or no extra.

I was at Cabelas just a few days ago. They had several hundred guns on big bargain racks. All kinds of calibers and price ranges.

I think guys get WAY too locked into the concept of one particular brand and caliber. I used to work at a gun shop. Most rifles today get used very little if at all. Maybe 1/3rd of all guns traded in had never been fired.

scythefwd
February 1, 2011, 05:46 PM
The weatherby vanguard is a good deal below 750 and should be 1.5 moa or better. That'd leave you with a couple hundred for an all right scope. You could probably get a a bushy 4200 for the rest. Not a bad setup for 500y.

snakeman
February 1, 2011, 06:01 PM
This was not my best day at the range. I pulled two shots from every five shot group i tried that day but its good nonetheless. Left target is 55 gr. Blitz over 35.5gr. h4895 right target is 50gr. Vmax moly Hornady factory load. Stock is a boyds. Barrelled action is a Howa m1500 ultralight 22-250.

Fremmer
February 1, 2011, 06:14 PM
Buy an inexpensive used rifle. Spend most of the money on the glass.

mes228
February 1, 2011, 06:24 PM
A Thompson Center Venture is the most accurate rifle I've owned, fired, or even seen in a production rifle. They can be found for approx. $400 w/ a $50 rebate. Inexpensive but not CHEAP at all. Mine will shoot 1" with Win. & Rem. ammo from Walmart. And just about 1/2" with Federal. Sounds like hype, sounds silly, sounds like fiction. However, it's not. Buy one before they go out of business. No joke they are selling $1K rifles for $350. Ask anyone that owns one. Post around and you'll see. Also they will hold that group for several rounds as the barrel heats. Pretty remarkable. As soon as I have the extra money I'm buying one in every caliber I think I'll ever need. I shot these groups from a "Lead Sled" and they are pretty much repeatable every time. I've owned full custom rifles that would not remotely shoot with these things. I believe it's the greatest bargain in the firearm world during my life.

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 06:35 PM
Your review really peaked my interest. I've looked at them before but thought they looked a bit cheap and didn't see many after market parts available but if its as good as you say I wont need after market lol

Definitely gonna check out a t/c venture in .308

snakeman
February 1, 2011, 06:43 PM
People say the same about Howa also they are around the same price as the venture but with everything you need to start out with. Not knocking the venture though if I weren't building a gun right now I would definitely buy one in 25-06, 280, 7mm rem mag, or at the top of the list the 6.5 creedmoor.

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 07:34 PM
How is the stock on the TC venture?

Hunterdad
February 1, 2011, 07:42 PM
Marlin XS7 in .308

Blue Brick
February 1, 2011, 07:45 PM
91/30

snakeman
February 1, 2011, 07:46 PM
The stock on the venture is black synthetic with grey overmolded rubber grip panels. It has an ergonomic grip and a very, very slim forend. It is well executed and rigid. Recoil pad is nice and squishy.

sarduy
February 1, 2011, 08:07 PM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14607
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/328858-REG/Tasco_VAR251042M_2_5_10x42_Target_Varmint.html

nipprdog
February 1, 2011, 08:49 PM
Only has about $750 to drop into a 500 yard gun

Serious??

Does he even have the skill to hunt at that range???

:rolleyes:

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 08:50 PM
My friend said he really wants either the XS7 or Stevens 200... Here is what I told him.

XS7
Nice adjustable trigger
fits savage barrels
slightly stiffer stock
pillar bedding
many are MOA
Can get a nice wood stock for $90 from boyds

Stevens 200
proven accuracy
savage action
flimsy stock
MOA accuracy
bad trigger
flimsy stock
lots of aftermarket parts


It seems both can shoot moa... The XS7 has an accutrigger style trigger which is nice and you can get a good wooden stock for $90. The XS7 has the better factory stock. Seems like the XS7 is the winner in .308.

Anyone beg to differ?

caribou
February 1, 2011, 09:08 PM
M-39 with a couple 800 rd cases of Czeck Light ball

41
February 1, 2011, 09:11 PM
For $750 I would try to pick up a used Remington 700 or something similar. You should be able to buy a fairly high quality rifle for that price range, including some decent glass.

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 09:32 PM
The only used remington 700's I've seen under that price with any kind of decent glass is the junk that walmart is pumping out now.

35 Whelen
February 1, 2011, 09:59 PM
Your buddy picked an excellent calliber to begin with. There are oodles of bolt action .308's out there for well under his budget. Check out GunBroker.com He should be able find one no problem. The older Remington 700 BDL's, Model 70's and Ruger 77's are no longer "in style", so should fairly priced. I've owned and shot a Model 70 and a Ruger 77 in .308, and currently own a Mauser in said caliber. All were/are just crazy accurate; all grouping easily well under 1" @ 100 yds. with good handloads.
A co-worker bought a Tikka (sorry, don't know the model) at the local Academy and put a Leupold 3-9x40 on it all for around $800. He shot it here at the house on my range with Hornady factory ammo as well as some of my handloads and it was INSANELY accurate easily grouping 3-shots @ 100 into 1/2" over and over. Excellent shooting from a sporterweight hunting rifle.
Another long forgotten rifle is the homely, yet super accurate Remington 788. A close friend has one in .308 and I've handloaded for it for 20+ years. It too easily groups under 1" at 100 yds. with an occassional group around 1/2".
The 308 is just one of those cartridges that for whatever reason shoots well in almost any rifle.

Regarding the scope, I'd discourage him from a fixed 10X scope. It would be fine at long range, but in hunting situations, it's inevitable that a nice buck will show himself at 20 yds. where a 10X scope is as useless as the proverbial teats on a boar hog. A Leupold, or better yet Burris, 3-9X32 or 40mm will do everything he needs.
Good luck,
35W

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 10:38 PM
I've talked him down to a fixed 6x scope. He hunts in open beanfields where he rarely has bucks within 50 yards. He thinks variables shift their point of zero too much. Otherwise I'd say a 3x9 would suit his needs perfectly.

I can see where hes coming from... If I knew I'd only be taking deer at 300+ yards then I would go with a fixed 10x... and if I knew i would be taking deer from 25-200 yards I would choose a fixed 4x. But I dont, I need the variable scope because I hunt fields and along the brush.

He is limiting himself to the fields.

Travis McGee
February 1, 2011, 10:54 PM
If you don't mind ugly, Mosin Nagant wins hands-down.

35 Whelen
February 1, 2011, 11:17 PM
I've talked him down to a fixed 6x scope.

Excellent compromise. Looks like you've pointed him in the right direction!
35W

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 11:38 PM
Can a Mosin Nagant shoot 300 yards accurately and take down a deer? Isn't the ammo pretty corrosive?

jpwilly
February 1, 2011, 11:43 PM
A Mosin Nagant isn't a 500yrd rifle from a precision standpoint. It can fling lead that far yes but any elchepo $250 modern rifle will shoot circles around it. Unless you get the exceptionally rare one that shoots well, don't hold your breath.

A Stevens, Savage, Remington, Tikka, T/C, Howa ect ect will all do the job if you can.

classic.rocker978
February 1, 2011, 11:48 PM
He's having a tough time deciding between the XS7 and the Stevens 200.

In all honesty I dont even know which I would choose. If I was building a 1,000 yard rifle I would choose the Stevens 200 mainly for the action and aftermarket availability. BUT for a hunting setup with a max range of 300-500 yards the XS7 seems nice. Comes with a nice, crisp trigger. It also has a better stock than the 200.

I've got a Savage 116 with in 300 with the stainless steel barrell and a Leupold VX1 3x9 scope that I like. I'm almost afraid to take it hunting lol. Its worth a small fortune to me. I could happily go bang around in the woods with either of the above rifles knowing they could kill out to 300 yards easy.

XxWINxX94
February 2, 2011, 12:41 AM
+1 on the .22-250

Very flat shooting round. Mines in a Remington 700 heavy Barrel with Leupold Scope and its a great combination.

pbrktrt
February 2, 2011, 11:02 AM
Unless he's really antsy about getting one now, see if he could hold out till spring when the new Vanguard S2 will become available. Check out the info on Weatherby's site.

jpwilly
February 2, 2011, 11:46 AM
Just grab a Stevens 200 or Savage 110 or 10 and go from there. Should your want's change you'll have the platform to change with your needs.

Mencius
February 2, 2011, 12:15 PM
After reading a bit on the T/C Venture it has me thinking some, could be a decent gun. Maybe I will have to get one for, uh, when the kids get older?

savage1r
February 2, 2011, 12:29 PM
Mosin Nagant, no exceptions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl3JRI75SsI

snakeman
February 2, 2011, 01:06 PM
+1 even with the most accurate rifle I won't shoot at a deer past 400. I took a nice ten point this year at 275 with my 308 and he turned between the time a shot and when the bullet got there it was 4 inches off. Still took out a lung but didn't find him till the next day and the meat was no good. I felt terrible...

ol' scratch
February 2, 2011, 02:57 PM
Get a Savage and spend the rest on glass. I don't think $750 is too little. As far as 500 yards, he is going to have to ask himself if he can ethically take an animal at that range. The problem is with the glass he can get for the leftover amount. Is he going to be able to see the animal at that range with the scope he chooses? Can he place a shot (with enough velocity left over) do ethically kill an animal from that range with a .308?

35 Whelen
February 2, 2011, 08:40 PM
Yes, shooting targets at 500 yards, even 300 or so, from field positions is VERY humbling. It's much easier to talk about hitting something at 500 than it is to actually do it. Practice, practice, practice and learn to read the wind.
35W

shane justice
February 2, 2011, 08:55 PM
Let me start by saying I have never been a big fan of Savage.

Lemme add an aside by saying, loved the old 99's. I never saw or heard of one that was not a shooter. Many an old cowboy had given up his '94 Winnie for a Savage in .243 or .250 -3000. And they were game getting sons o' guns you better believe it. And then they just died, and were no more. When it came time to buy my first deer rifle, I looked (being left-handed they were a perfect choice.) but none were to be found anywhere.

The bolt actions at that time, were ugly.The actions were like a raggedy bolt connected to a sewer pipe.

SO when I finally got around to looking for a left handed bolt gun that would shoot a "fair piece" my pocket book" was a determining factor. But you know, the choices out there were sort of odd.

No more Winnies, (slowly changing but not for southpaws) Remington makes a decent rifle but the old time quality doesn't seem to be there...and then there is RUGER, who makes a dang fine rifle but they were a bit beyond me as well.

So, I ventured forth into Savage territory.

What I found was a surprise.

They make a dang accurate rifle. Any of their lines will do what you need them to do.

If you need a 500 yard rifle. One can be had in whatever caliber Savage makes.

You won't be sorry.

If you do not see what you want on the website...call Efee Sullivan..she handles the custom orders. The prices are not unreasonable and their customs are priced very near to their base guns, within reason.

SO buy it, scope it well, and shoot hell out of it. I bet 500 will seem a short distance.

Shane

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