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handgunner308
February 1, 2011, 09:01 PM
the DE specificaly the 50ae is said to be able to reach out to 100 yards. as a matter a fact it is said the iron sights on the DE is sighted in for 100 yards... YES 100 YARDS. an artile on GunsNammo has a review on it saying they were able to get 3 inch groups at 50 yards with iron sights and believe it would be better with a scope
I have been having accuracy issues with my uncles DE. the prob is it will shoot at one spot then the next it will be way off id say sometimes it be here on the first shot then the second shot it be about 3 feet low from the first shot. we are shooting it anywere from 30-50 yards
it has a burris handgun scope on it its a 3x7 zoom? its got the posi-lock feature.
so what can possibly be wrong with it? bad scope rings? lets take shooter error out of the equation.
also ammo is pretty exspensive. well speer gold dot is what we use to use but now that Hornady makes 50ae its somewhat cheaper now i think Hornady 50ae goes for about $30-$35? vs speer gold dot wich goes for $50

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WC145
February 1, 2011, 09:24 PM
I don't know about your accuracy issues but I bought some Hornady 300gr JHP .50AE from Bud's for $21 per 20rd box just a month or so ago.

The Lone Haranguer
February 1, 2011, 09:32 PM
With that gun, the first thing I thought was flinch.. :uhoh: But take shooter error out of play, and the next thing I would suspect is the scope mounts or even the scope itself. They surely take quite a beating.

handgunner308
February 1, 2011, 10:12 PM
i have to admit my first 1 or 2 shots may be hesitant at times but after i get the first shot out of the way im good i shuld be shooting with no flinch.
seems like i will have to remove the scope and everything and use the iron sights to see if a group holds... then go from there?
i have some warne scope rings that can go to use would those hold up? the rings curently on the gun may be the issue
would like to hear other words about accuracy on the DE from you all who own and shoot them

dawico
February 1, 2011, 11:39 PM
They are way more accurate than what you are getting from it. Pull the scope and shoot it again.

HelterSkelter
February 2, 2011, 12:15 AM
if you are absolutely certain it's not you then your scope is messed up. are you shooting it on anything, like sandbags? if you are just shooting it from a standing position or from elbows then you can't really take shooter error out of the equation. to err is human.

handgunner308
February 2, 2011, 09:32 AM
thats my first initial thaugh is the scope or rings... yes i was using snadbags and holding as steady as i could. even a flintch shouldnt make a 3foot drop
would my warnes verticle split rings hold up to a DE?

Harley Quinn
February 2, 2011, 12:18 PM
My DE XIX is very accurate and that is held in hand with no sandbags...The drop if freeform and no bags would be your reaction to the on coming reverse motion of pistol and you are doing a flinch that causes the push forward and usually down...Just a slight flinch of 1/4 to 1/2 an inch is going to cause a huge drop down range (if shooting 100 yds)...

I asked a gun,dealer about scopes for the DE, he said they don't last long:)



Originally my 10" XIX .50AE had a Leupold 2.5-8x32 handgun scope with Leupold's rings. Many bad things are said about those rings, but they worked perfectly for me. Eventually, they became difficult to mount, as the hook that secures them began to not hook unless considerable force was applied and you held your tongue just right. But, the rings never let go.

Then, I replaced the Leupold with a Burris 3-12x32 handgun scope with its included rings. The Burris rings would never even hold the scope tight enough to fire more than once. I got disgusted and started shooting the big iron off hand using its iron sites. But, when I put a scope back on top, it will be that great Burris scope with some GOOD rings.

Link that mentions bad rings on DE...These are 44 mag 50AE is a whole nother thing:eek:

http://thedeserteagle.yuku.com/topic/3550

handgunner308
February 2, 2011, 04:34 PM
ill try changing rings but first imma try to hold a group with iron sights.
the current scope rings were loose on one trip but we machines new bolts to hole the rings on because it seemed like the bolts got stripped out somehow, must be too much power from the DE

xr1200
February 2, 2011, 05:03 PM
I had a 44mag desert eagle 15 yrs. ago that was terrible for anything over 25 yrds. in accuracy, it couldn't hit a deer target at 50 yrds. with either an aimpoint or a scope mounted on it from a rest. The truth about a desert eagle its that its more of a movie or pimps guns. Looks cool but not really that practicle for anything, I would take any revolver or 45 acp target gun over a desert eagle.

If I were you I would sell the desert eagle off and get something more practicle like a good 6 inch barrel 357mag revolver, it has one of the best longrange trajectories for a pistol round.

Rembrandt
February 2, 2011, 06:01 PM
I've got a .44 that is extremely accurate....can shoot 6" groups at 200 yards, probably will do better if put in a Ranson rest.

joepav
February 2, 2011, 07:21 PM
Maybe your scope is losing zero after one shot of the 50ae.

handgunner308
February 2, 2011, 08:50 PM
xr1200... i dont think your 100% right on that statement about its accuracy your the first one to comment it saying the accuracy is poor...
joepav... you think so? hard to think a $300 scope would lose zero, not sure the burris on it has the posi-lock should be magnum rated right? seems like a sturdy scope to me

mmitch
February 2, 2011, 08:53 PM
Barrel crown dinged?

Mike

handgunner308
February 2, 2011, 10:01 PM
nope no defects in the gun

mljdeckard
February 3, 2011, 09:20 AM
I have found that they are very picky about ammo. Not just for accuracy, but for correct cycling as well.

Harley Quinn
February 3, 2011, 11:18 AM
Picky about ammo is correct...+P is best for good cycling especially the latest version...Most will find that out fast :D

But they are very accurate, pilot error is the norm...

Regards

AirForceShooter
February 3, 2011, 11:35 AM
Let somebody else shoot it.

AFS

WC145
February 3, 2011, 12:21 PM
Picky about ammo is correct...+P is best for good cycling especially the latest version...Most will find that out fast
I wasn't aware anyone was making +P .50AE. From the published ballistics I've seen for "regular pressure" .50AE I can't see where there would be any need for +P.:confused:

Harley Quinn
February 3, 2011, 12:29 PM
:uhoh:
The + P mention is regarding 44 Mag...It seems to get the biggest slam by many who shoot the DE???

xr1200
February 3, 2011, 03:04 PM
The problem is the desert eagles design, its really a very crudely made gun. When a gun shoots poorly its not usually the shooter, its usually the rig.

DE probelms, poor , trigger , crudely finished, sloppy barrel, poor scope mounting, actually drilled and tapped mine for a leupold twist off base.

When I first started shooting pistols 35 yrs. ago, I started with a ruger black powder pistol and shot it well to 25-50 yrds and then got my fiirst 357 dan wesson 8" revolver and I could hit oil cans at 50 yrds. off hand with it all day.

So when I got the desert eagle I thought that it would be accurate set up after reading all the info and hype in the gun mags.

What I found out over the years is that a lot of these magazines don't put out accurate or correct info in order to protect their advertizing dollars.

Over the last 35yrs. I've come to realize you can not believe what you read or even see on tv.

Last night I even seen a example of it on TV, where the guy converted an old 870 12ga into a scoped, rifled deer gun and stated how it would be really accurate.

What he failed to show was that a using reciever style, trigger pin scope mount and a rifled barrel is a very poor combination and you will never be able to sight the gun in properly. As you get constant movement difference from the barrel slop, play in the trigger pins etc. Note they never showed the guy actaully sighting it in. They should have told ppl that you either need to use a barrel mounted scope, or the have a threaded or permanentally attached barrel to the shot guns reciever. So what you see in the media you can't always believe.

So getting back to these desert eagles, I paid about $750 for mine 15 yrs ago and its hard for guys who have bought them now and have paid $1200 -$1500 for it to admit that they now have a $1500 book end.

I sold mine off , fortuantely only lost money on the scpoe mounting set up, but got my money back on the base price of the gun.

Harley Quinn
February 3, 2011, 03:13 PM
xr 1200

You have a point about them being expensive, hard to shoot very well (need to spend time and proper ammo) but when working right, they do the job...I can attest to that...Even those who own them and shoot much say you have to practice and not just one box of 20 :p

But they are never going to be shot by "joe public", who won't take the time to conquer it...

Many whine about a 40 cal being uncontrolable :evil: Buy a 9mm and still have problems :D

This video is one for the books:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFO4qJrOufM

Regards

handgunner308
February 3, 2011, 04:35 PM
im not a bragger... but im really good with firearms and shooting even guns that i have not held. just a natural thing to shoot well like hitting a 1 liter propane tank out at 150 yards on my first shot ever with a benelli SBE back when i was only in 4th grade... although i went flying into my dads arms and taking a scope to the eye i still hit it lol
i admit my first shot with the DE may be shakey but after i get the good old kick ill remember how it feels and be back into regular shooting mindset that i always have.
cold weather uneven ground old rotten stump as a rest and one shot from my custon 10/22 i hit a old gift card set up sideways out at 40 yards
okay now im kinda bragging lol
but im not like some ppl who prefer a 9mm over a 50ae i just like big guns, recoil is just part of it only dif is i just accept it will kick hard but the kinda person i am i dont complain about it.
we have shot the DE b4 accuratley but i was not the shooter at the time i was'nt even there to see it i was in school while my elders were at the range
so human error on my part? only the first shot, maybe the second, after that its the failing parts that would be messing everything up

Harley Quinn
February 4, 2011, 08:38 AM
Ok, so do you feel it is, the mounts, the rings, the optics :uhoh:Or just a lousy product???

Have you shot it without the optics, at say 20 yds and see where it hits:confused:

I normally set up a target, Paper, Bullseye type, at 10 yds...Shoot that until I can keep them in the 10 ring and many in X ring, then move it out to 25 and shoot there for sometime...

Try this if you think the gun can't do its job at 100 yds...

Set up a target of say 4' x 4' plywood, at 100 yds behind your 10 yd target...Look at the group at 10 yds, when finished shooting go out and look at the 4'x4' one and see what kind of group you have at that distance... Very enlightening:D

If the gun is malfuntioning with the 50AE you might want to contact DE:)

http://www.magnumresearch.com/

Lips on mags, some say are not correct, or it is not clean or oiled well... It is a pistol you don't shoot lead in:rolleyes:

The new owners of DE are Kahr...

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/06/robert-farago/kahr-arms-buys-desert-eagle-maker-magnum-research/

mongo4567
February 4, 2011, 10:38 AM
I haven't seen any pistol that couldn't shoot a 5" group at 25 yards if it had some rifling in it, most are less than half that. Now some are harder to shoot than others...

I think your scope gave up the ghost. Pull the scope off and try it with open sights on a bag.

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