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tankmech
February 3, 2011, 07:59 PM
does anyone know where i can find info on where my m1 garand has been i.e. the unit it was issued to and where?

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VT Deer Hunter
February 3, 2011, 08:07 PM
OH that would be a hard one I have a Mosin Nagant and all I know is it was probally owned by a hunter in Russia. I dont know if you could find that info. Be cool if you could!

USSR
February 3, 2011, 08:41 PM
tankmech,

Unfortunately, battalion, company, unit information for small arms is not available. You'll have to satisfy yourself with knowing the month and year of manufacture, and perhaps if it served in another country's military (the CMP's current M1 Garands are returns from Greece).

Don

dfariswheel
February 3, 2011, 09:12 PM
The military didn't keep records of where a rifle had been or who used it.
All they cared about was where is was NOW, and who was responsible for it.
Since old records about where weapons had been had no value to the military, they were destroyed almost immediately.

You can't even make a judgment about where two rifles with consecutive numbers were when you know where one of them went.
Rifles were manufactured and shipped to an ordnance depot who then shipped individual rifles everywhere.
One rifle may have gone to the Pacific and another to a post in Georgia.

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 06:22 AM
thx for the replies guys it would have been nice to have found out the history of my garand but as for my mosin,i know its history its a 1929 tula arsenal built and it sat in storage as surplus covered in packing grease for about 80 years it was never issued nor was it used in combat i guess you could say i got myself a brand new 80 year old rifle for a 100 bucks (lol) one heck of a deal

ultradoc
February 4, 2011, 08:01 AM
that would be nice to know but just think of the paper trail. I have a Garand and often wondered where it was 'stationed'

AethelstanAegen
February 4, 2011, 08:56 AM
tankmech, I would imagine your nagant was taken out of storage for the Great Patriotic War (ie WW2). I know most of them were refurbished after the war and then sat in storage, thus the cosmoline/decent condition. I could be wrong but I just know the Soviets were caught rather off guard by the Germans and so I think they threw everything they had into service (especially when they had to shut down the armaments factories to move them to safety). So you've probably got a true war relic refurbed after the war.

Col. Plink
February 4, 2011, 09:33 AM
What is known of the Danish returns? My stock says it's a Dane...

littlerichard
February 4, 2011, 09:42 AM
Col. Danish returns are usually prized shooters. Most were rebarreled with a VAR barrel. very accurate. shoot it and enjoy it.

CZguy
February 4, 2011, 10:59 AM
littlerichard,

Is absolutely right. The Danish ones are some of the best. We need photos to tell you more. Is the barrel marked VAL?

ball3006
February 4, 2011, 11:21 AM
My M1D is a 3-43 Springfield receiver. It has been sitting in a crate since rebuild into a M1D in 1952...chris3

CZguy
February 4, 2011, 12:15 PM
M1 threads need photos. :)

Springfield, all correct, Greek return, new CMP stock.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/badgerone/M1I.jpg

HRA, all correct, even the stock. LMR barrel.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/badgerone/M1GarandHRA.jpg

I like the LMR barrel a lot.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/badgerone/HRATarget.jpg

Mals9
February 4, 2011, 01:26 PM
CZguy what distance was that target perforated at? It looks like we have the same rifle, mine is a '44 SA but not all correct.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/mals9/SA%20M1/102_2293.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/mals9/SA%20M1/102_2292.jpg
I just refinished the stock with BLO.

Mals

CZguy
February 4, 2011, 01:59 PM
CZguy what distance was that target perforated at?

It's the internet so it was a thousand yards. :D

Actually it was just fifty yards, I'm having trouble seeing with iron sights past that. Getting older isn't near as much fun as I thought it was going to be.

MTS Cop
February 4, 2011, 02:07 PM
My Garand dates to Nov 1940. I like to imagine someone used it to take pot shots torpedo bombers at Pearl Harbor. But more realistically it probably banged around in the back of a truck at Fort Dix for a bunch of years.

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 06:36 PM
czguy and mals9 great looking garands as for mine,the stock looks like it was attacked by an angry beaver with a weed eater lol im getting a new stock with metel and im gonna leave the old one alone cause somehow i feel it was on a battlefield somewhere.but here are some things i know about it.....the reciever is S.A.1944 the barrel is S.A. 9 48 the op rod is S.A. the gas plug is HRA the trigger housing is HRA the hammer is I.H.the windage knob has DRC stamped on it does anyone know what that means?anyway,i did get it checked out by a gunsmith unfortunatly the only thing he could gauge was the headspace and that was good i know the riflings are wore thats to be expected but i put a bullet in the end of the muzzle and have about an 1/8th of an inch clearance before the muzzle touches brass does anyone think it would be helpful to get the muzzle recrowned?

HM2PAC
February 4, 2011, 06:44 PM
Tankmech.....

How does she shoot? I'd spend some time with her at the range before changing anything.

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 08:40 PM
it shoots pretty good trying to get used to the sights they adjust different from the m-4 that i use in the guard

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 08:42 PM
and my eyes arent what they used to be so my shots are erratic but i do get them on paper at 100yrds

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 08:45 PM
what are your thoughts on using a bore siter to get a basic battle sight zero cause the ammo aint cheap

Mals9
February 4, 2011, 08:50 PM
I would use it you have it. As far as the crown , unless it is dinged up a recrown would not do much for you.


Mals

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 08:58 PM
thx mals i appreciate the info

tankmech
February 4, 2011, 09:11 PM
the crown does have some really small dings but nothing major

X - Man
February 4, 2011, 09:50 PM
Tankmech; Here's some backround on the M1 you might find interesting.

From the article "Accurizing The M1 Rifle, by J. B. Roberts, Jr. "When the glass bedding job on my DCM M-1 was completed, the rifle, which had sprayed hits all over the SR bullseye, shot well within acceptable criteria for the National Match M1 rifle. Those limits were not tough; 3 1/2" average extreme spread for three shot groups at 100 yards range; no single group over 5" extreme spread."

Chances are that your target hits are close to the above 1961 standards. If you can get 4" groups @ 100yards, that's pretty good shooting, for a M1 Garand.

Enjoy your M1, and have fun!

X - Man
February 4, 2011, 09:57 PM
Tankmech, Nicks on the crown is not good. But you may be able to improve the crown yourself.

Find a brass round head screw with a 1/4 x 20 thread pitch. Chuck up the screw in a hand drill. Place some automobile valve lapping compound on the screw head, and use the round head of the screw to polish the damaged crown. If the nicks are minor, the lapping compound will polish them out.

52grain
February 4, 2011, 10:00 PM
So how exactly do you determine if your Garand is a Greek return (or a Dane, or something else)?

Orlando
February 4, 2011, 10:42 PM
Absolutly no problem with nicks or dents to the crown as long as they dont protrude into the inside of the muzzle

CZguy
February 4, 2011, 11:57 PM
So how exactly do you determine if your Garand is a Greek return (or a Dane, or something else)?

Things like the color of the parkerizing (Greeks were almost black) And the Danes had lighter almost grey parkerizing, and many of them were re-barreled with VAL barrels. Highly sought after.

Orlando will be along in a moment. He knows a lot more on this subject than I do.

BruceB
February 5, 2011, 02:38 AM
Just a couple years back, as I recall, an older gent received a Garand from the CMP.

He was a Korean War veteran.

Under the buttplate of his "new" Garand was the slip of paper that HE had placed there while standing on the banks of the Yalu River, which separates Korea from Red China!

That's one rifle about which we do know at least a partial service history.

Imagine the odds against THAT rifle returning to the hands that carried it in Korea....astronomical, to say the least.

Orlando
February 5, 2011, 04:26 PM
Some of the returned Danew had VAR barrels not VAL, also some seemed to have BMB OR BP Italian marked parts. Danish returns often had Beech replacement stocks/handguards. The wood is fairly easy to identify as ithas geain that looks like small fingernails or fishscales. Inside the stock in the barrle channel would also have a sticker that had sighting info
There is alot of confusion on so called Greek Black. "Some" of the refinished Greek rifles have a smooth balck paint like finish. Now people get confused and when they see a black parkerizing they call if Greek Black. Not so as later rifles were US Arsenal finished in Black Manganese parkerizing
There is no real way to know where your rifle has been for sure but you can get a idea by looking for those clues.
Years ago CMP did sell what they called a USGI Grade, these rifles were never loaned to other countires.

tankmech
February 5, 2011, 06:29 PM
thx to all who gave me tips and pointers concerning the muzzle crown on my garand and all of the other little facts about the m1 your knowledge and insight is valuable please keep the info coming. no matter how trivial or insignifcant you might think it is it just might answer a question ill have later on down the road thx again tankmech

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