Anyone shooting Ruger 77/22 in 22 Hornet?


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Float Pilot
February 3, 2011, 10:54 PM
I just ended up with one in a trade.
Plus dies and brass.

The first thing I noticed was the 10 pound trigger pull with lots of grinding creep.

I fixed most of that last night. Now it is 4 pounds with no creep. It still need a little more work.

I noticed that the barrel is not free floated in the laminated stock.

Is anyone shooting one of these and what type of accuracy are they obtaining?
Has anyone tried free floating the stock to see if it improves anything?

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ColtPythonElite
February 3, 2011, 10:56 PM
Nope, but am interested....I got one to use about 15 years ago and have never fired a shot out of it. It's brand new in the gun cabinet. I always wondered how it would shoot.

pikid89
February 3, 2011, 11:00 PM
i have a M77 mkII and the 99% drop in timney trigger made mine like 2lbs...nice and crisp

mshootnit
February 4, 2011, 12:01 AM
a relative is shooting one and his is not floated. That rifle is a tack driver with a Weaver fixed 4. He is reloading.

Float Pilot
February 4, 2011, 12:10 AM
I need to buy some lighter 224 caliber bullets. All of the slugs I have around here at 65 grains or more. I need to find some 45s and 50s. Plus I need to make a trip up the highway so I can buy some Lil-Gun powder.

patsygarret
February 4, 2011, 12:30 AM
had one a couple years ago mine to also had a weaver 4x. great little rifle, carried well and shot excellent, traded on a whim and although i didnt shoot it often i regretted it.

Float Pilot
February 4, 2011, 01:32 AM
What bullet weights did it seem to like.

R.W.Dale
February 4, 2011, 02:32 AM
after performing all the usual accuracy related handloading and smithing tricks my 77H target model was at best a 3MOA rifle on average.

Needless to say it didn't stay long

ATCDoktor
February 4, 2011, 05:27 AM
I have had mine for about 17 years and liked it very much for small game hunting. Not all that accurate but fun to shoot. If your looking for it to be a sub moa rifle, you may find it frustrating

I loaded mine with between 10.5 and 12 grains of WW296 and 40 grain nosler ballistic tips and it would shoot about 1.5 MOA at 100 yards (on a good day).

I found 10.5 - 11 grains to be the sweet spot with respect to speed and usable accuracy, I would get about 2850-2950 fps with the 40 grain ballistic tips with those charges.

I killed about 10,000 jack rabbits, a dozen feral cats, 5 coyotes and 1 javelina with it between 1994 and 2007.

In 2007 I sent it off to Connecticut Precision Chambering and had it rechambered to 22K Hornet.

I fire formed my hornet brass to K hornet with a load of 11 grains of WW296 and Noslers 40 grain Ballistic Tips.

That load would shoot bug hole groups at 100 yards. The same load in the fire formed k hornet brass would open up to 1.5".

I tried to get Speers 33 grain TNT's to shoot in it but accuracy with those was terrible regardless of the velocity/powder charge.

Noslers 35 graiin ballistic tips shot ok regardless of speed ( about 1.5 MOA).

After having CPC rechamber it and that not helping accuracy all that much I switched over to using 223 for small game hunting and the K hornet has been sitting in the safe for the last 3 years.

Lloyd Smale
February 4, 2011, 06:18 AM
mine shoots 35 vmaxs ahead of 1680 into 3/4s of an inch. Guns as it came out of the box.

smokinfeathers
February 4, 2011, 04:11 PM
mine shoots very well with 40gr v max and Lil Gun, get great velocity and accuracy. Mine is not floated, I floated it one day with a shim to see if it would shoot better and it shot worse so I put it back like it was and left well enough alone. I get 5 shot groups between 3/4- 1".

Walkalong
February 4, 2011, 05:44 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=455994

Float Pilot
February 5, 2011, 01:17 AM
Well I have looked at every powder source within 50 miles and could not find any Lil'Gun
So I guess I will try something like H-110 this Sunday if it stops snowing long enough to see 100 yards.

Lloyd Smale
February 5, 2011, 05:34 AM
1680 and 4227 work well too.

Float Pilot
February 6, 2011, 03:11 AM
DANG IT !!!

I scoped it tonight and even found a can of Lil' Gun.. (That cost me..)

I have 200 rounds of virgin brass,,,,and was going to load some for tomorrow.

I pulled out my tray of shell holders and the one that has a #12 marked on it is not an RCBS size... It is some other brand...

I owned 20 plus shell holders and none of them works for the 22 Hornet. Man am I ticked....

I will have to make another Midway order...

StrawHat
February 6, 2011, 05:15 AM
An interesting article on the Ruger 22 Hornet.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/22hornet.htm

Float Pilot
February 6, 2011, 09:45 PM
That was interesting,,,

I found a buddy down the road who had a 22 Hornet shell holder.
So I whipped up a few loads to try before it became too dark for the chronograph to work.

Not impressed with the 100 yard accuracy. So far...
At 25 yards all these loads made nice little one hole groups of only 1/4 inch size.

1. 40gr V-Max, 13.0 grains Lil' Gun, WW Brass, CCI SR, 1,800 col.
Too long for magazine feed. Vel= 3,000 fps average but a 1.75 inch group at 100 yards.

2. 50gr Speer TNT, 12.3grains Lil Gun, WW Brass, CCI-sr, 1.790 col.
Feeds nice, Vel=2,900 fps and a 1.75 inch group

3. 50gr Speer TNT, 11.8 grains Lil Gun, WW Brass, CCI-SR, 1.790 col
Oddly enough shoots higher by 5 inches. VEL=2,750 and a HUGE 3 inch group

These loads seemed to leave stretch marks on the brass. I will measure them later after my feed thaw out...

Vern Humphrey
February 7, 2011, 09:04 AM
I need to buy some lighter 224 caliber bullets. All of the slugs I have around here at 65 grains or more. I need to find some 45s and 50s. Plus I need to make a trip up the highway so I can buy some Lil-Gun powder.
Try the Hornady V-Max in 35 grains. I load this bullet for my Kimber Model 82, and its short nose makes it easy to load right into the rifling without being too long to run through the magazine.

I use the cartridge itself as a power measure -- dip it full, tap it to settle the powder and put it in the loading block. Once the loading block is full, check with a flashlight to be sure all cases are full to the same level.

Finally, I use the Lee Collet die and put a couple of washers on the shell holder. This causes the die to activate early, and only size the front half of the neck, leaving the rest of the neck to act as a pilot, centering the bullet in the throat.

GooseGestapo
February 7, 2011, 09:54 AM
FloatPilot;
Thats about what I got from the M77/22 carbine I had. Take a look at your brass. If it dosen't look just right, (expanded and odd looking) it was cut with the same worn-out reamer they cut the one I had with......

One "trick" I found out back in the '70's with a T/C Contender I had was to full length size the brass just enough to "uniform" the body of the case so that they would lie uniformly in the chamber. This at least made them shoot a little more consistently. It works with my current "Hornet" too.

You have to "spank" the 50gr bullets good to get adequate stabilization from some Hornets. However, most Rugers are cut with a 1/14" twist, so should shoot even 55gr bullets "ok". Mine have, but I prefer the 40-45gr bullets personally.

Except with a few loads that MY rifle LIKES, that is generally what you can expect from the Hornet. Thats about what my M77/22H-KBZ (stainless bull barrel w/laminate stock) does. I've tweaked the trigger to about 2.5lbs, free-floated the barrel, and glass-bedded the action.
Lastly, it can take over 500rds to get the barrel to shoot in initially, so give it a little time to smooth out.......
Welcome to the club. You'll forever love/hate the little cartridge.

Float Pilot
February 7, 2011, 04:39 PM
M77/22H-KBZ (stainless bull barrel w/laminate stock)

That is what I now have. It already has about 400 rounds through it.

The trigger pull was about 9.5 pounds on my gauge and was super creepy.
I goofed around with it the other night and got the trigger pull down to a crisp 4 pounds. But it still needs lots of work.

The brass did look stretched. Just above the rim.

How much did free floating and bedding help, if any?


Finally, I use the Lee Collet die and put a couple of washers on the shell holder.

Vern did you glue the washers on the shell holder and then cut a open channel or just slide them over the whole cartridge case?

Looks like these guys make a living out of fixing the accuracy problems of the Rugers.
http://www.ct-precision.com/ruger77.html



http://www.ct-precision.com/ruger77.html

Float Pilot
February 9, 2011, 09:38 PM
Harnessing the 22 Hornet

This was my second day of trying to get a Ruger stainless all-weather 77/22-Hornet to shoot worth a darn at 100 yards.

I took the play out of the two piece bolt by inserting a 0.003 shim washer between the two halves. But that really did not do much. Not nearly as much as has been claimed by other folks who said they have tried it.

So today I tried COL changes.

I seem to be on the right track. While making it longer does not let me use the magazine, at least I might eventually might be able to hit something single shot. Ruger obviously made the throat too long.

Load info is on the photo.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=136004&stc=1&d=1297305468

Rancho Relaxo
February 10, 2011, 12:28 AM
I have tons of experience reloading for my awful Anschutz 22 Hornet, with the help of an outside expert I finally got it shooting well, though I get high pressure signs even with Lil' Gun and brass life is very short.

Recently my neighbor loaned me his Ruger 77/22 Hornet with the request to find a good load for it. Factory ammo of all types that he had on hand yielded 1.5-2.5" 3 shot groups at 100. And the trigger, WOW, SO BAD! 35 grain Hornady's were sadly lacking in accuracy. 40 grain Sierras (crimped) with 12 or 12.5 grains Lil' Gun and small pistol primers got me right at 1" for 3 shots at 100 with a 4x Leupold. I'm satisfied with that, I feel it's quite reasonable for a Hornet with an awful trigger and a sloppy two piece bolt.

Vern Humphrey
February 10, 2011, 09:26 AM
Vern did you glue the washers on the shell holder and then cut a open channel or just slide them over the whole cartridge case?
I just drop them over the case.

I seem to be on the right track. While making it longer does not let me use the magazine, at least I might eventually might be able to hit something single shot. Ruger obviously made the throat too long.

Have you tried the Hornady 35 grain V-Max? The various weights of V-Max bullets have the same shank length, and differ in the length of the noses. The 35 grain bullet has such a short nose I can load it right into the rifling and it still feeds through the magazine of my Kimber M82.

GooseGestapo
February 10, 2011, 09:37 AM
It's not so much that Ruger made the throat too long, it's that the Hornet was originally designed and intended to use more blount bullets. Hornady did a great job of designing the 35gr V-max. On all the .22Hornets I've loaded this bullet for, you can easily load it to touch the lands and still feed them through the magazine. Ditto the Sierra 40 and 45gr "Hornet" bullets. But, I've not found it to aid accuracy significantly. YMMV. I do prefer H110/Win296 powder for this application.

I've found that by using a dremmel tool on the foward portion of the magazine insert on the Ruger magazine, you can get a few thousandths of bullet clearance and get almost 1.8" of space. However, what that exactly gets you is debateable.

My favorite load is a 40gr Sierra "Varminter" hollow point loaded to 1.78" with Winchester primers over 12.5gr of Lil'Gun. This gets over 3,000fps in my rifle and does quite well anything I can reasonalbly ask of my "Hornet". Shoots reliably to 1.25moa. One evening I killed 4 deer with 4 shots with this load and didn't even move from my prone position shooting under a barbwire fence onto a field. All four were taken with head shots........ The deer couldn't tell where I was because of the mild report, and ran back and forth like squirrels in a road..... Till there were no more.
My Hornet just works.... Not a sub-moa tack-driver, but still; it works.......
I now feel the urge to take in out to the range an burn up some of those 33gr Remington V-max's I bought on sale a while back.....

BTW- FloatPilot; I enjoyed your web-page. I'm too am a CFI,CFII, MEI, own a C150 I use for instruction, and fly a C421B and a PA32RT300 for a couple of clients.... Hope some day to spend a summer flying in Alaska......

rockhunter
February 10, 2011, 01:30 PM
I have two of the 77/22H SS Allweather rifles both shoot 0.6 to 0.4 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yrds off the bench when the wind is not to brisk. In one I installed a Volquartsen target sear and sear spring and in the other a Jard trigger. I could not make either rifle shoot less then 1.5 inch groups until I had free floated the barrels. I found the 40 gr. V-Max seated to an OAL of 1.80 inches (just feeds through the magazine) works well in both rifles and the bullet is only about 0.035 off the lands. Powder is 13.0 gr LilGun for one rifle and 13.3 gr. for the other. Small pistol primer and partial full length sizing using FL sizer and sizing only the front 0.25 inches of the neck, leaving part of the neck at fired dia. and just "touching" the body but not the shoulder. I don't crimp the bullets and don't have any problem with the bullet being pushed in or moving due to recoil. Pressure with the 40 gr bullet and LilGun is very mild and with partial FL sizing case life seems my fine, most of my current group of cases are on their fifth loading and I am not seeing any case head separation indications, I think I may eventually start loosing cases to split necks, but haven't seen that yet.

Good luck with your 77/22H, I have really been enjoying mine.

Rockhunter

SpeedyR
February 15, 2011, 07:29 PM
nice to have found some other hornet shooters. I was looking around for info on improving the trigger on the 77/22H. I took mine to the range monday to test some rounds and after shooting a really nice trigger on another target rifle at the range, this one needs some work. I know Rifle Basix makes a nice trigger for the 77/22 that will work on the Hornet version, any other suggestions for a smooth trigger?

as for loads, I have the following loads to test:

40gr Vmax
H110 powder loaded from 11, 11.5 and 12gr
LilGun but I don't remember the loads. didn't seem to like them.
34gr Midway DogTown HP bullets
H110 11 and 11.5 gr loads
LilGun 12, 12.5, and 13gr loads

overall it seemed to like the longer OAL's better (1.80" vs 1.745") and the best loads were 11.5gr H110 in both the 40gr Vmax and the 34gr DT bullets. I did one load of 45gr Nosler SP but it didn't seem as good as the 40gr Vmax.

I know most recommend the 35gr Vmax but I had already bought 250 of the 40gr. :)

didn't get great groups as it was windy monday but at least I had fun playing...

Float Pilot
February 15, 2011, 07:35 PM
I managed to bring the trigger pull down to a crisp 4 pounds with a honing stone and a couple loops cut off the trigger spring. I need to buy a whole new trigger set-up.

I also made a goof this last weekend.

I free floated the barrel and it was not what this Ruger rifle needed. The action bedding had to help, since it looked like it was originally bedded with a chain saw.

The groups opened back up to 2.5 or 3 inches.

I experimented around with some various crimps.
A 50 grain Speer TNT HP. With a heavy crimp and 12.3 grains of Lil Gun and a CCI-400,and COL of 1.876 inch I was reading 3,045 over the chronograph.
When I seated to a COL of 1.900 inch with the 50 gran bullet the speed jumped to 3,075 fps.
Not that it mattered because the groups were horrible.

I also experimented with some 60 grain Sierra HP (flat base) bullets and 9.5 grains of Lil Gun.
Loaded to 1,876 inch COL , they were clocking at 2,565 fps. over the Chronograph. They grouped horrible and were 10 inches higher than the other loads.... But oddly enough they did not keyhole.

So now I am going to try to full length bed the barrel channel.

ThePunisher'sArmory
February 15, 2011, 07:40 PM
My dad has one with wood stock, stock trigger, and leupold scope. All he uses it for is to eliminate yoties and other predators on his farm. They love his chickens and he loves to stop them. It works quite well for that. Don't know if it will shoot dime sized holes at 100yrds but it takes alot of yotes!

Walkalong
February 15, 2011, 08:20 PM
I was looking around for info on improving the trigger on the 77/22H.

http://www.centerfirecentral.com/images/trigger.gif

Originally posted in my .22 Hornet thread by rangerruck. Works well.

StrawHat
February 16, 2011, 06:14 AM
Float Pilot ...I free floated the barrel and it was not what this Ruger rifle needed. ... So now I am going to try to full length bed the barrel channel...

Before you bed the entire barrel, you could try to add some upward pressure at the end of the stock by slipping a matchbook cover or folded business card to see if that helps. I have found some rifles to prefer upward pressure. Full length bedding is a very good idea in a well seasoned stock but any stock movement is transmitted to the barrel.

SpeedyR
February 16, 2011, 08:41 AM
since I"m guessing most of the hornet shooters are on this thread, anyone had the Hornet work done by CPC? for the money it seems to be a great price for what you are getting...

http://www.ct-precision.com/

If i go this route (their accuracty package) should I convert to K-hornet or just keep it standard? I don't have k-hornet dies, but I have plenty of brass so I can keep the contender brass separate from the 77 brass by which ones are "K". :)

I guess i'm not one to be maxing out cartridges as far as velocity goes, if I need more reach, i'll move up a caliber (have 223 and might add a 204 soon). but if it's better/easier on the brass then that might be a consideration. over the years I've accumulated maybe 800 round of hornet brass, so i've got a good supply. right now I have a contender barrel, the stainless 77/22 and a ruger #3 (anyone know of a good/easy way to mount a scope on a #3?).

Float Pilot
February 16, 2011, 07:11 PM
I would love to send my action to CPC, BUT>>> I am somewhat concerned about sending any firearm, anywhere, these days...

I am off to the range with some more experimental rounds and a glass bedded barrel channel. Be back in a couple hours... It is sunny and about zero out at the range.

lloveless
February 16, 2011, 07:38 PM
I am in Anchorage for a work assignment. Not sure where you ae, but Sportsmans Warehouse has a bunch or components, powder etc.
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Float Pilot
February 16, 2011, 10:18 PM
I am about 225 road miles away from Anchorage. A nine hour round trip this time of year. I have more stuff on order from Midway.


The bedding experiment seems to have helped .

Bwana John
February 17, 2011, 10:12 AM
I think I have a walnut 77/22 Hornet stock Id sell cheap. PM me if interested.

Bob K.
February 17, 2011, 05:50 PM
I couldn't keep 10 rounds on an 8.5x11 in piece of paper at 100 yards when I first got my Ruger 77/22H. After following Ruger's accuracy test instructions (shoot 3 different types of factory ammo), I sent the gun and the targets back to Ruger. While there, they cleaned up the barrel, the chamber and the trigger (at my request). Total cost was $20 in UPS shipping because of the free Lifetime Warranty.

It doesn't shoot great...1-2 MOA...but it's in a much healthier place to start intense load testing.

I also sent my 77/22VHZ back to Ruger because brass was getting stuck in the chamber. I could feel the reamer ridges--tons of concentric rings--in the chamber and see the imprint on the fired brass. I sent it back to Ruger. They cleaned up the chamber and the trigger (at my request). Total cost again was $20 in UPS shipping because of the free Lifetime Warranty.

I also did the accuracy test with my Ruger 77 MkII in 30-06. It came back from Ruger with a cleaner trigger and shot straighter...plenty straight (about 1 MOA) for hunting.

P51D
February 18, 2011, 11:44 PM
Hi, FloatPilot. I have a CZ 527 in .22 Hornet, and VernHumphrey’s advice on this cartridge has really served me well. GooseGestapo and WalkAlong have also provided excellent tips for this and other cartridges. I don’t have a Ruger, so my Hornet “trials and tribulations” may not apply to you, but I think all of us Hornet owners seem to agree that it can be finicky, and my CZ is no exception. But I have really come to love this rifle and this round, and for me, it is a keeper. This is my only firearm chambered in Hornet, and I’ve only had it for about a year, but I’m certain I’ll be adding another Hornet to my collection. ;)

Let me cut to the chase. The best “hot tips” for me so far have been: Lil’Gun powder, partial neck sizing with the Lee die and washers just like Vern describes, and small pistol primers. Using that advice, and with 40 gr Hornady V-Max bullets and the Lee Factory Crimp Die, things are going pretty well. My data on that combo is limited, but so far with seven, 5-shot groups at 100 yds, I’m averaging 0.86”. Using reputable reloading manuals and working up carefully, of course, I’ve found that this rifle really likes Lil’ Gun in the higher published doses. And the beauty of it is, Lil’ Gun seems to produce high velocities at low pressures. I have cases that I’ve reloaded 5 times with Lil’ Gun, and they are holding up very well so far.

Now of course, I mention my best load average above. Please trust me, I can make this rifle shoot a LOT worse! Thumbing through my notebook, I can easily find 2 inch groups, and a few 3 inch groups. Worse yet, I tried some 50 gr V-max bullets, and at the lower charges, it got as bad as 5.7”. :eek: But at max published loads for that bullet, it shrunk to 1.4” (my rifle seems to like to shoot them all fast). That pretty much sums up how finicky it can be. I’m pretty sure mine has a 1 in 16” twist, where yours may be 1 in 14”, so you’ll probably do much better with the heavier/longer bullets. Mine seems to favor the 40 and 45 gr bullets. Lighter and heavier, not so much.

Hope this helps.

P51D

Float Pilot
February 19, 2011, 01:33 AM
The 35 and 40 grain bullets from Midway just came in this afternoon.
I will try a few more loads now with various powders.
Brass is back-ordered.

At least I finally managed to produce groups of an inch or slightly less at 100 yards. I would love to have an Anschutz in this caliber.

da2mag
February 19, 2011, 10:19 AM
I have an Anschutz M1432 in a hornet and it can shoot very small groups but it is picky about bullets. As many on here have said it likes the bullets that can be seated out near the lands which are mostly the older blunt or semiroundnose hornet bullets. I have had the best luck with H110 and 40-45 grain bullets. I do use the Lee collet dies but have not had to resort to using washers over the brass. With the collet dies you will have much better brass life than using full length dies. I have been using the Lee Collet dies on all of my long shouldered guns for years (22 hornet, 220 swift, 300 H&H) and it has helped a great deal with brass life as well as eliminating a great deal of trimming.

Still Shooting
February 19, 2011, 11:26 PM
For SpeedyR - I have a Ruger 77/22H that did NOT please me at all. The trigger was heavy and "creepy," the 2 piece bolt was sloppy - 1/8"+ of play between the 2 pieces, and it wouldn't group any better than 2-1/2" at 100yds. Last September I dropped it off with Randy at CPC on my way through CT, and 10 days later it was back in my gun rack:
- The bolt is now tight, like it's one piece.
- The barrel is re-crowned with an 11 deg. target crown (Randy gives you choices, all for the same price)
- The throat is shortened, the chamber is minimum, and - oh yes, I also had it re-chambered to K-Hornet.
- The factory trigger now breaks clean at 2-1/2 lbs, every time.

The total cost was $238, the workmanship is excellent - you can't tell it has been worked on. No tool marks, no difference in bluing, the chamber is nicely polished, it's just real pretty.:D

I have only been able to shoot it on the range once, and only 12 rounds (oiled patch after every 3 rounds for first 21, per Randy's instructions for break-in). But with factory ammo, its grouping inside 1-1/4" even now, and I expect when I start working up loads and the barrel settles in, I'll have a nice Hornet on my hands. CPC is a good idea for the 77/22H.

Float Pilot
February 20, 2011, 10:23 PM
Today' Experiments:
It was semi sunny and about 20 degrees.

I discovered that my rifle hates the Remington 71/2 bench rest primers.
Plus neck sizing only is not what it likes either.

34 grain HP Dog Town bullet
13.0gr Lil Gun
WW brass “Virgin”
CCI-SR
1.798 col
NO CRIMP
Vel= 3,182-3,171-3,141-3,156-3,133
0.450 in group. At 100 yards

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=136824&stc=1&d=1298273006

34 grain HP Dog Town
13.0gr Lil Gun
WW brass Virgin
CCI-SR
1.798 col
Roll Crimp
Vel= 3,136-3,132-3,115-3,193-3,154
0.940 inch group at 100 yards

34 grain HP Dog Town
13.0gr Lil Gun
WW brass, neck sized only
Remington 7.5 bench rest
1.798 col
Roll Crimp
Vel= 3,169-3,298,3,210-3,225- no read.
1.288 inch group at 100 yards

40grain Sierra flat base HP
12.3gr Lil Gun
WW brass neck sized
Rem 7.5 bench rest primer
1.798 col
roll crimp
Vel=3,154-3,176-3,143-3,259-3,188
3.70 inch vertical string

50 grain Speer TNT HP
12.0gr Lil Gun
WW brass “virgin”
CCI-SR
1.802 col
roll crimp
Vel = 2,845 fps
0.90 inch group at 100 yards

50 grain Speer TNT HP
12.0gr Lil Gun
WW brass Neck sized
Rem 7.5 bench rest primer
1.802 col
roll crimp
Vel = 2,891-2,844-2,870-2,906-2,960
2.566 inch group at 100 yards

P51D
February 21, 2011, 07:51 AM
Congratulations, Float Pilot! You are really getting to know your Hornet, and I'd venture to say you're hooked at this point. :D Enjoy it!

P51D

Vern Humphrey
February 21, 2011, 09:35 AM
One thread I see there, Float Pilot, is crimping really hurts accuracy. That's my experience with the Hornet -- in fact, my rule is, "Fire form your brass and disturb it as little as possible when reloading."

Float Pilot
February 21, 2011, 04:27 PM
One problem of this darn Ruger is that the chamber is pretty over-sized. Once fired brass lets a bullet drop right on through.
I tried neck sizing just the end of the necks, but then the bullets were being pushed back into the case while loading them from the magazine.

I get away with no crimp with virgin brass and 13 grains of Lil Gun because it fills the case all the way and basically will not let the bullet be pushed back any further.

Vern Humphrey
February 21, 2011, 06:22 PM
One problem of this darn Ruger is that the chamber is pretty over-sized. Once fired brass lets a bullet drop right on through.
I tried neck sizing just the end of the necks, but then the bullets were being pushed back into the case while loading them from the magazine.

I get away with no crimp with virgin brass and 13 grains of Lil Gun because it fills the case all the way and basically will not let the bullet be pushed back any further.
That's the secret.

I use the Lee Collet Die, and put two washers on the shell holder to cause the collet to activate early, sizing only the front half of the neck.

I load with Li'l Gun and use the case itself as a powder measure, dipping it full, then tapping the case to settle the powder. When I have a loading block full, I check with a flashlight to see each case is at exactly the same level (you can't possibly overcharge wtih Li'l Gun.)

My Kimber has a box magazine, not a rotary, and I have no trouble at all with bullets being pushed back.

Float Pilot
February 27, 2011, 01:08 AM
Well it appears that the 34 grain Dog Town bullets from midway work well in this rifle.

So..... I decided to do something weird. I loaded THREE 22 caliber pellets into a case with 2.7 grains of Trail Boss powder.

At 15 yards the one pellet always left the pattern. So I loaded a few with two pellets. The two pellet loads usually go into the same hole or are within 1/2 inch of each other at 15 yards. IT IS ALSO VERY QUITE...
I shot it indoors and did not have hearing protection of my ears. The double pellet load with 3.0 grains of Trail Boss penetrated 2 inches of dry phone book pages at 15 yards. I can't get a good chronograph reading because the two or three pellets mess up the reading.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=137257&d=1298786899

Vern Humphrey
February 27, 2011, 08:55 AM
Have you tried a one-pellet load?

Float Pilot
February 27, 2011, 02:10 PM
Yes, but only with a primer as a propellant. Magnum pistol primers working the best. One pellet was not enough resistance to hold the powdered charges together.
BUT, they (the primer only loads) were not all that accurate after 20 feet. The primers do not have enough push to flare the base of the undersized pellets.
The two pellet load with Trail Boss was actually more accurate further out. The extra weight must help build some pressure.

I would like to find some 224 diameter lead balls.

Vern Humphrey
February 27, 2011, 02:36 PM
You simply need to find the right size of lead shot. Probably something around number 4 buck would do it.

I have a Hammond Game Getter -- a standard cartridge case (in my case, .30-03) with a steel head. The head has an offset .22 chamber, and takes a .22 nail-setting blank. The offset chamber allows the centerfire firing pin to hit the rim of the cartridge.

I load a 00 buckshot in the mouth. This shot is a little too big, so I have a sizing die -- basically a polished funnel-shaped hole in a steel disk. I coat the shot with motor oil and push them through the die with a steel rod.

An arrangement like that would size down Number 4 buck nicely.

Float Pilot
February 27, 2011, 02:48 PM
We have a plague of snow-shoe rabbits this year. They are digging through the snow and eating all of my wife's expensive garden plants and trees. They already killed a few Quaking Aspen trees by eating all the bark off the trunks.

This morning one of them discovered how well the two pellet system worked. At 35 yards he had two through and through holes.

newhornet
February 27, 2011, 07:52 PM
I shot 14 grains of Lil Gun in Mine with the Hornady 45 grain HORNET bullets. I restocked with a Boyd's/Ross Laminated Thumbhole from a CUSTOMIZED Ruger 77/22 Magnum Stock that I had Glass and Pillar Bedded. I still ahve this stock if any of you guys with the Varmint Contour Barrel are interested. You can contact me for pics at: hins1@bellsouth.net NOT trying to steal a thread here, but I hate to see this stock sitting around and all this Hornet talk is about to make me spend money on another Hornet....I replaced mine with a .221 Fireball.

Float Pilot
February 27, 2011, 09:53 PM
Well I tried the double pellets at 25 yards. They are very quite, but also all over the place.
Not worth while..

However, also tried a few 40 grain Sierra HPs, and 12, grains of Lil Gun. Virgin brass and a CCI-500 Pistol Primer. At 100 yards they gave a 0.60 inch group. Good load.

Same powder load with a 55 grain Hornady SP gave 2,800 fps and a 1.75 inch group at 100 yards. not so good


Also tried some very quite TRAIL BOSS loads.


3.0 grains of TRAIL BOSS, WW Brass and a Magnum Pistol primer.

34 gr Dog Town bullet was 1,625 fps and a 1.5 inch group at 100 yards. IT WAS WINDY. I could see the bullets in-flight through my 24 power scope.

40 gr Sierra HP was 1,414 fps and a 2.0 inch group at 100 yards

55 grain Hornady SP. NEVER LEFT THE BARREL.... DO NOT ATTEMPT>

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