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tango3065
January 24, 2003, 09:17 PM
Can anyone tell me how old my gun is from the serial number? Also I need to know if my 870 will fire 3" magnums the barrel says 23/4 or 3 but could of been changed but probably not, I think this gun came out as a turkey special due to the camo stock, barrel,and xtra full choke.

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tango3065
January 24, 2003, 10:51 PM
The serial number starts with an -A and ends with a -M

JohnBT
January 25, 2003, 12:12 AM
I believe that serial numbers ending in M are magnum receivers, but it's late and I'm sleepy :)

I just copied this from the RimfireCentral/Remington forum:

For shotguns with removeable barrels, the code will be valid for the manufacture of the barrel; maybe for the receiver, as barrels do get switched around.

According to the "Blue Book of Gun Values", the coding continues as follows:

Month Codes: [first letter]
B - L - A - C - K - P - O - W - D - E - R - X
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12

Year:______Code: [second (and third*) letters]
1950_______ WW
1951_______ XX
1952_______ YY
1953_______ ZZ
1954_______ A
1955_______ B
1956_______ C
1957_______ D
1958_______ E
1959_______ F

1960_______ G
1961_______ H
1962_______ J
1963_______ K
1964_______ L
1965_______ M
1966_______ N
1967_______ P
1968_______ R
1969_______ S

1970_______ T
1971_______ U
1972_______ W
1973_______ X
1974_______ Y
1975_______ Z
1976_______ I
1977_______ O
1978_______ Q
1979_______ V

1980_______ A
1981_______ B
1982_______ C
1983_______ D
1984_______ E
1985_______ F
1986_______ G
1987_______ H
1988_______ I
1989_______ J

1990_______ K
1991_______ L
1992_______ M
1993_______ N
1994_______ O
1995_______ P
1996_______ Q
1997_______ R
1998_______ S
1999_______ T

* the years 1943 though 1953 had double letters: ie, MM = 1943

As maybe seen, the year code letters duplicate; some knowledge of when the model was introduced should resolve the actual year of manufacture.

hartmen
June 5, 2010, 02:03 PM
ive also have a remington 870. its serial number is 813545v
the 3 letter code on the side of barrel is ckq. has walnut forend and stock and has checkered pattern. no vented barrel. barrel measures 28" guns looks very old. i believe from what ive looked up its a 1956 or 1963 model. any help is welcomed. i can provide pictures if neassary. thanks

Tim the student
June 5, 2010, 02:44 PM
Holy old thread Batman!

Hartmen, welcome to THR. You can call Remington and they will date it for you. I don't have the number, but it can be pretty easily found on their site.

hartmen
June 5, 2010, 05:48 PM
yes its an old thread. seems like its the only one that pops up for me on google. ive gone to the remingtion website and it just keeps sending me in circles. ive emailed them and its been over 3 weeks now with no answer. i can post pics if it will help

Fred Fuller
June 5, 2010, 05:55 PM
The only reliable source is a human employee at Remington. They don't have a list online, for whatever reason.

Call 1-800-243-9700, during business hours in NC, and go through the phone tree. They'll need your model number (870) and whole serial number, and they'll look it up for you.

lpl

JNewell
June 5, 2010, 09:33 PM
"V" suffix indicates 2 3/4" Wingmaster. HTH...

hartmen
June 6, 2010, 03:39 PM
o is that what the V stands for? heck i didnt know. learn something new every day.

JNewell
June 6, 2010, 04:16 PM
Yep.

Remington serial numbers are a mess. The variables include a year-range related prefix, the serial number, and a model-related suffix. I have two 870s that Remington CS people have repeatedly told me they have no records for...the numbers don't exist. Well, that's obviously not true at my end, which means there's something really wrong with the records their CS people have access to. BTW, I'm not slamming their CS people - they are consistently polite and diligent and patient. The problem is the factory records, apparently.

They won't express the thoughts above ^^^ in exactly those words, but I've spent a lot of time talking to various CS reps and they concede that their records are, ummm, sub-optimal, and they will state that this is the reason that you can't do an online s/n look-up.

hartmen
June 6, 2010, 10:39 PM
here is a pic of mine. i have swapped the factory wingmaster barrel for an express.

http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/lucashart/DSCN3119.jpg

hartmen
June 6, 2010, 10:41 PM
what do u guys think?:cool:

Roccobro
June 7, 2010, 01:52 PM
what do u guys think?
WELCOME OT THE HIGH ROAD!

Justin

hartmen
June 7, 2010, 06:42 PM
called remingtion today. its 1963 model!

yay

how much do you guys think its worth? if i put the original barrel back on.....insurance reasons

Tim the student
June 7, 2010, 07:54 PM
maybe 200 - 300. Hard to see the condition it is in.

Virginian
June 7, 2010, 09:39 PM
$125 to $150 if that's paint in the checkering. And that original gloss blue is kind of hurting.

hartmen
June 7, 2010, 10:19 PM
gun has been reblued. had a friend do it for me. the photo does no justice. i had my wifes grandfather redo the stock and forend because they had like 10 coats of red paint on them. it was awesome seeing the paint being stripped off.

Hunterdad
June 8, 2010, 08:13 PM
The "V" does not mean 2 3/4". A buddy of mine just picked up a Wingmaster today with a "V" as the first letter and its a magnum.

JNewell
June 8, 2010, 08:30 PM
The "V" does not mean 2 3/4". A buddy of mine just picked up a Wingmaster today with a "V" as the first letter and its a magnum.

That's not correct. If the receiver says "Magnum" and has a "v" suffix, there are a lot of people who would like to see a picture. Please review the following thread:

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4261

Fred Fuller
June 8, 2010, 08:50 PM
The last letter in the serial number on modern Remington shotguns is the receiver code. It tells you what shells the receiver was set up at the factory to handle. It's the location of the ejector that makes this determination in 870s, and a 12 gauge 870 set up to handle 3" shells at the factory has a serial number that ends in M. Some 12 ga. 870s have had new ejectors installed that allow them to handle 3" shells, however, so serial numbers can only be relied upon to determine factory original status.

fwiw,

lpl

Virginian
June 8, 2010, 08:53 PM
First letter 'V' means it was made between 1978 and 1984. Last letter 'V' means 2-3/4" 12 gauge. Last letter 'M' means 3" Magnum 12 gauge.

Hunterdad
June 8, 2010, 09:01 PM
I stand corrected. I thought we were talking about the first prefix, not the last.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/adam11082/n3.jpg

JNewell
June 8, 2010, 09:44 PM
I stand corrected. I thought we were talking about the first prefix, not the last.

That's why we call the last prefix a suffix. :D Sorry, couldn't resist a friendly poke in the ribs. ;)

Even if it's not worth a fortune in cash, there is nothing quite like those older Wingmasters. Both the metal and the wood are really nice.

Roccobro
June 8, 2010, 09:48 PM
how much do you guys think its worth? if i put the original barrel back on.....insurance reasons

It's worth whatever somebody will pay for it. :)

As a collector it is worth very little with all the "fixes" it has had done.

I paid just under $200 for a correct, original and clean C&R 870 not too long ago.

Justin

Roccobro
June 8, 2010, 09:51 PM
Dup post.

Sorry

JNewell
June 8, 2010, 09:56 PM
It's worth whatever somebody will pay for it.

As a collector it is worth very little with all the "fixes" it has had done.

I paid just under $200 for a correct, original and clean C&R 870 not too long ago.

But from a user's perspective, they are such bargains. Compare the price of new ones, then compare materials and workmanship. It's just no contest at all, as Dave and Lee and others keep pointing out.

Virginian
June 8, 2010, 11:01 PM
I paid $245 delivered, for a cherry 1976 12 gauge Magnum Wingmaster with a 30" Full fixed choke barrel about 18 months ago. I got a 30" Light Contour barrel for it and I'm happy. This is my fifth try at recapturing the perfection that was a 1974 edition that I so foolishly sold so many moons ago. I think this is also the last try, and is as close as I am going to get. Of all the guns that have come and gone, I can honestly say I only truly regret selling two of them, and that Wingmaster is at the head of the list.

Tim the student
June 8, 2010, 11:03 PM
The price will also vary quite a bit by region.

devildog32713
June 8, 2010, 11:57 PM
suffix is the last letter, you learn that in 3rd grade. hehe :D

Dave McCracken
June 9, 2010, 12:17 AM
Around here, a nice shooter 870 with some history marks is worth $200-300.

Hunterdad
June 9, 2010, 08:42 AM
suffix is the last letter, you learn that in 3rd grade. hehe

Relentless!! :neener:

monduconstruct
June 9, 2010, 09:50 AM
Just paid $400 for my used 870P police trade-in. Has definite visible use.

JNewell
June 9, 2010, 02:12 PM
But the P guns go for a premium. If it had been a 2 3/4" Wingmaster with, say, a 28" fixed choke barrel, showing not just visible use but real wear, you'd have paid half that, even in your AO... ;)

JTH
June 9, 2010, 06:28 PM
Here's the reciever #'s on my 870 Police issue Riot Shot gun. The number is 407609V. Hope they come through.
Do to it's main functional purposes, I'm not much of a bird hunter but with the short barrel how would it do as far as Dove hunting
JT

hartmen
June 15, 2010, 11:06 PM
yea my reciever was so badly worn it was down to bare metal when i got it. appeared that someone stored it behind or under a truck seat and wore it down good. the stock and forend was not bad. a nick here and there but some moron painted it several times over with red barn paint. i got the gun for $100. i thought was a good deal. fixed it up a little and bought another barrel which i thought was supieror to the stock smooth barrel. i personally think its worth 200-250 now in its current condition. maybe 300 if im including both barrels. the barrel itself usually sell for 130-175 in pawn shops in my area. i live in central kentucky

Grayrock
June 6, 2011, 10:52 AM
I just acquired a police trade in that has serial # W8022xxM. From the above info it would seem that it was made in 1972. Is that correct? It also has some residue on the receiver that looks like a "PROPERTY of Hazzard County PD" sticker was removed. Any idea how to clean off that residue? Heat? Solvent? Abrasives?

RugerMcMarlin
June 6, 2011, 01:52 PM
Mine says Vingmaster .And it has a W in the suffix
If the barrel has no vent rib and is choked for a fixed IC.
It's worth more than 2/3rds the shotguns out there. oh yeah IMO

Grayrock Lighter fluid

Virginian
June 6, 2011, 09:55 PM
Hold on to it. Vingmasters are very rare.

RugerMcMarlin
June 7, 2011, 06:45 PM
jtx Dove are federal migratory birds must have plug, so you can't load more than 2 rounds in tube. with low brass 8s, over a stock tank, perfect.

(I meant plug the magazine, before you plug the birds)

Grayrock
June 15, 2011, 05:55 PM
Lighter fluid

No lighter fluid, but I tried bug&tar remover, goo-gone, and some type of industrial gum remover from Johnson Wax. Getting ready to get out the steel wool. You think heat might soften it up?

RugerMcMarlin
June 15, 2011, 07:12 PM
Yeah, if your still fighting it a week later, I think you should try a torch. Unload it first.:)




Sorry had you mixed up with another guy.

Grayrock
June 15, 2011, 09:31 PM
Started new thread so it will be more on topic : http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=598221

To return to this topic, was I correct in dating my SG date of manufacture to about 1972?

leadcounsel
June 16, 2011, 02:47 AM
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swoter
June 22, 2011, 08:52 PM
Gotta love those old 870s. I emailed Remington a couple of years ago, and they
dated mine to 1951. Just bought and old slug barrel with sights on it today off Craigslist. Whopping $40. Already had a modified and imp cylinder barrel, so all I need is a full choke.

roboink
November 12, 2011, 02:46 PM
How about an 870 with an A at the beginning and a U at the end...what would the age be..? From the chart above...am I correct 1971..?

Fred Fuller
November 12, 2011, 03:10 PM
Call 1-800-243-9700 during business hours, go through the phone tree and ask. There's no other reliable way to tell...

Virginian
November 12, 2011, 08:01 PM
Phone reliability is also in question. They insisted two of my guns did not exist.

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