Prvi Partizan Ammo


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Geckgo
February 4, 2011, 09:09 PM
Hey all, just wondering. I have never shot Russian ammo in my 30-06 or any other gun. Has anyone had any experience with this stuff. Midway is having a sale on 06 ammo and I'm thinking about maybe placing an order if the sale is still good when I get back onshore. 12 dollars/box. It looks like brass cases and it says boxer primered. Any reloading issues with this ammo that I should watch out for? Or any issues period?

I've grown fond of 180gr ammo, now that I have the 10/22 for smaller stuff, my gun tends to like heavier ammo at the range, and if I can get in on a sale like this then I will feel stocked up. Right now I have only 100 rounds and its a mix of different "flavors." Want to get some more before the next panic where the ammo companies can raise prices.

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Phaethon
February 4, 2011, 09:18 PM
Prvi Partizan is a Serbian manufacturer. I'm sure anything they produce is much better than any Soviet surplus laying around.

However, I too am curious about its quality in relation to other ammo brands, specifically American.

Onmilo
February 4, 2011, 09:29 PM
I have shot Privi in .22 Hornet, .223, .243, all have been very good, comparable to big three American ammo manufacturers, actually a little bit better in the Hornet and .243.

Geckgo
February 4, 2011, 09:29 PM
I didn't know that, at "Prvi" I just assumed Russian. like "hello *something*" in russian, :)

Geckgo
February 4, 2011, 09:31 PM
Onmilo, and experiences with reloading, or just looking at the brass after firing? I assume there is only one way to find out but wondering if maybe it was noticably lighter than your other brass or something like that.

kis2
February 4, 2011, 09:31 PM
My experience with prvi is limited to their match .308 ammo, but it's a very positive experience. Hard to beat for the price (nearly half of other match ammo and still submoa).

Again, it's not the 06 ammo you are talking about, but if the stuff I used is indicative of the quality in their other ammo, I would stock up. I stock up on reloading supplies now though (still using prvi brass!)

k9dude2010
February 4, 2011, 09:33 PM
Ok ammo not too consistant with loads or crimp, felt recoil may be different from shot to shot, I would compare to American Eagle, or Blaser ammo fun to shoot cheap and messy to clean up after, but if your after the brass its usually a deal.

Micro
February 4, 2011, 09:36 PM
I've been shooting Prvi Partizan handgun ammo since they were sold under the name Hansen Cartridge Company. The ammo is clean. But I've encountered a high number of rounds with bad primers throughout my history of using this brand. Under the Hansen name, it was nothing to have 2-3 in a box of 50 to fail to fire even with a deep dent on the primer. Even with current ammo, I may have 1-2 in a box of 50 that won't fire.

Onmilo
February 4, 2011, 09:37 PM
As I said, the .22 Hornet and .243 are somewhat better than American ammo and that opinion also applies to the brass.
If you can find RWS primers, they also seem to work best with these cases.

Phaethon
February 4, 2011, 09:45 PM
I've never noticed any misfires on my ammunition, which is limited pretty much to 7.62x54mmR for my Nagant, out of the 40 rounds that I shot with it on one trip. Then again, mil-surps tend to have strong firing pins, I couldn't speak for pistol ammunition since I shot Federal in my Browning Hi-Power.

alemonkey
February 4, 2011, 09:46 PM
Prvi is decent quality ammo. I've noticed the primer pockets are shallow, though, and can lead to high primers when you reload them.

Geckgo
February 4, 2011, 09:47 PM
Thanks for the comments people. Don't know when I'll be comming in from my next rig visit but I think I've eliminated the "grudge" that I've had about foreign ammo. I never trusted it enough to buy any.

Micro, do Remington core locts run in your gun? This is the "economy" ammo that I typically use and it runs great in my Rem 700, though I have heard of people having problems with it as well. Just wondering if this is the only ammo that you have issues with.

Onmilo, thanks for the info.

Al Thompson
February 4, 2011, 09:50 PM
My take is that their rifle ammo is good stuff, handgun ammo not so much. IMHO, it's almost like two different plants make handgun ammo and rifle ammo.

I have not reloaded any of their rifle brass, so no opinion there.

Rifle calibers fired have been .30-30, .308 and .223. Handguns - .32 ACP and .38 Special.

nathan
February 4, 2011, 09:54 PM
I bought some in different calibers.

8 mm 180 gr SP , grouped 1.5 inch at 100 yds using my m 24 47
6.5 x 55 139 gr SP , grouped 2 inch at 100 yds with my M 96 Swedishmauser.

Geckgo
February 4, 2011, 09:57 PM
As long as it'll kill a deer and I can reload the brass, I call it good. I shoot sub-MOA when I do my part with Remington so I expect to see 2 MOA groups at most from my gun if the ammo is good. (good enough for a clean kill)

Shadow 7D
February 4, 2011, 09:59 PM
the have a rep for hard or soft primers...

NCsmitty
February 4, 2011, 10:16 PM
I have shot Prvi-Partizan in my 6.5x55 and 7.62x54R. It is very good ammo for the money and the SP bullets are good cup and core, much like the Rem Core-lokt in construction. The brass is reloadable and equal to Remington's for longevity.

Wolf Gold ammo is made in the same factory as Prvi-Partizan, and they offer similar bullets to each other.

Graff & Sons has Prvi-Partizan components available, and good prices.



NCsmitty

krinko
February 4, 2011, 10:27 PM
I have been reloading the same 400 PPU 6.5x55 cases since 1990 and have also reloaded their brass in 8x57, 7x57, 7.65x53, .308, .223, 6.5 Arisaka, 8mm Lebel, 7.62x53 and .303 British.
In all the many hundreds of PPU rifle rounds I have fired, I had the minor irritation of one dead primer in the early 1990s...otherwise no problems.
Their .303 British brass is some of the best in the world, real British spec cases that don't deform in the Enfield chamber like the undersize SAAMI stuff.
-----krinko

WNTFW
February 4, 2011, 10:27 PM
I have bought some in .270 Win. I can't truly comment on the accuracy because my shooting wasn't that good at the time. I won't go into excuse mode. (except maybe to say my spotter was clueless:evil:) The brass has been good in .270 that I reloaded.

I have used the brass in .223 & .308.

It all seems a little harder when sizing. I have not had any problems with primers being high. All was boxer primed.

My buddy did have some .30-06 develop head separations. This however may not be the brass but the other headstamps did not develop the problem. It could have been from too much sizing/headspace. The necks were not split. The head seps were fairly consistent. I think it was range pickup. Definitely shot in a Garand the last 5-6 loadings. So cause is inconclusive.

Bottom line is if you have to inspect the brass anyway.

I have had pretty good luck across the board with Core-Lokts including using the bullets in handloads.

rbernie
February 4, 2011, 10:29 PM
Brass is good and reloads well, it all goes BANG! when it's supposed to, but I've not had the best accuracy with the Prvi that I've shot (30-06, 270, and 223). It's OK for offhand practice and such things, but I wouldn't use it for long range hunting or somesuch.

WNTFW
February 4, 2011, 10:40 PM
RBernie said: "but I've not had the best accuracy"
Thanks, I knew it wasn't me or my rifle, couldn't have been! (Really it's always me)

Geckco,
I see you are in S LA. So am I. I think I have seen you on Bayoushooter.

db_tanker
February 4, 2011, 10:56 PM
used 7.5x55 Swiss and 30-30.

both shot decently and the brass was okay. not as good as Winchester brass in my experience but still a good deal.

D

BrocLuno
February 4, 2011, 11:24 PM
I shoot Prvi in a number of calibers and it is very nice. Never had a problem, brass always looks good. Accuracy is on par with, or better than anything you can buy at Wally world. Two thumbs up for Prvi :)

Now if they would just load stuff in 7.7 JAP, then we'd be really cookin!

Geckgo
February 5, 2011, 12:01 AM
WNTFW, Bayoushooter I'm not familiar with. I'm in the Lafayette area so I have frequented Custom Gunworks and Lafayette shooters a bit for supplies. Had a key to the Fusillier range for a bit but now I shoot at Sherbern WMA pretty regularly, it's a half hour from my house, PM me if you are in the area and next time I go to shoot maybe we can go down there.

RockyMtnTactical
February 5, 2011, 12:11 AM
Prvi is great stuff.

Dr.Rob
February 5, 2011, 01:06 AM
Some of my fave 44 mag ammo is Prvi. Their 8mm Mauser is pretty good too.

Rem700SD
February 5, 2011, 03:23 AM
I've used their match ammo in .223 and .308, and found that it shoots well. It also reloads well. Their military ammo is not as accurate, but that's to be expected. It still reloads well.

FLNT4EVR
February 5, 2011, 08:42 AM
Shoots great in my 6.5x55.Very accurate and has decent brass for reloading. They also sell their bullets and brass as components at very reasonable prices.

jimmyraythomason
February 5, 2011, 08:46 AM
I shoot .223 Match and 7x57 sp. Both are extremely accurate,capable of 3-5 shot single hole groups at 100 yards. I don't reload so that isn't a factor for me.

jpwilly
February 5, 2011, 09:04 AM
I've used 8x57mm, 303 Brit, 7.5x55mm, 7.62x54R, Also have used Hot Shot ammo in some of those cailibers. For the price it's good performing ammo and good reloadable brass.

alemonkey
February 5, 2011, 09:11 AM
Sorry, I just realized I was thinking of Sellier & Bellot when I said it has shallow primer pockets. Prvi brass is good to go.

WNTFW
February 5, 2011, 11:04 AM
alemonkey,
I think the prvi brass is a little tight in the primer pocket diameter. I take any brass I can get if it is free & safe.
I got a few hundred federal .308 from a group of local leo snipers. I hear the primer pockets get loose quickly but I might get 2 loadings.

WNTFW
February 5, 2011, 11:28 AM
Geckgo,
I am in SELA not SWLA, almost NOLA. I have never been to the Fusilier Complex. I heard they wanted to expand it. I have not shot too far west of the Mississippi River much. I do go to Palo Alto in Donaldsonville for some matches. The SO range near the Gonzales Cabela's I go to for matches (Acension Parish??). I don't get to matches as much as I would like, but I at least dabble in it. There is also Southern Shooting Center near Thibodeaux. As you know they are farther from you. Never been to Sherbune.
Bayoushooter.com is good for local happenings. I have met some real good guys there. The classifieds have some deals but I never get them. There is some foolishness but that is how the net is. Some of it is hilarious too.
I would not mind shooting with you. We would have to get some Boudin (Webster's, Charlie T's, Best Stop, Don's) or go to Carolines in Cecilia for lunch!:D

There is a gun shop in Arnaudville on Bayous Teche. It closes at noon of Fridays so I have never been there. I heard the guy was pretty good.

taliv
February 5, 2011, 12:08 PM
i've shot several cases of their m193 and it is great stuff for the money. brass is good for reloading.
can't recall any failures to go bang.

i have also tried their 223 match and 308 match and not been impressed with the accuracy in either case.

i have further tried a couple thousand new no-name match projectiles that i believe are made by prvi based on who i bought them from but i'm not 100% sure, and they didn't shoot great either

jimmyraythomason
February 5, 2011, 12:50 PM
i have also tried their 223 match and 308 match and not been impressed with the accuracy in either case.
What bullet weight/rifling twist were you using? I have found the accuracy of their .223,75grn HP BT Match ammo to be not only good but outstanding fired from my Stevens Model 200 with 22" 1:9 twist barrel. I use a Nikon Prostaff 3x9x40 and fire 3 shot groups at 100 yards (rested). Results are impressive in anyones book.

Jeff F
February 5, 2011, 12:56 PM
I have shot a couple thousand rounds of their .303 ammo and have not had any fail to fire. It's good ammo and the brass reloads very nicely.

WNTFW
February 5, 2011, 01:10 PM
Taliv,
Were the projectiles from Wideners? I had good results with the 168s from them. I only get to 600yds though. At one time they stated they were Prvi but haven't see them name the mfg lately. They also don't give the BC. I just shoot them without knowing the BC. I haven't even tired to see if Wideners can provide the BC. They also taper alot more than others like Nosler, Sierra & Hornady which have a more pronounced straight section.

Yes, I know the 168s aren't the best choice for .308s. At some point I may move up the ammo food chain and switch to 175s with a pedigree.

WNTFW
February 5, 2011, 01:13 PM
Jimmy Ray,
I might by some of the .308 & .223 just to try it even though I reload.

jimmyraythomason
February 5, 2011, 01:24 PM
I haven't tried the .308 yet. My .308 shoots Federal 150s so well I haven't looked any further.

taliv
February 5, 2011, 01:55 PM
Wntfw yes wideners but they were the 75g or 77g I can't remember which

Honestly I don't know what the twist is on the 308. I shot it with the kac sr25. To be fair I sold the rest of the ammo and the guy I sold it to reported decent accuracy in his rifle so it could have been a bbl/ammo combo that was suboptimal.

jimmyraythomason
February 5, 2011, 01:59 PM
it could have been a bbl/ammo combo that was suboptimal.
Likely so. The same Model 200 that groups the 75 grn so well won't get 4" groups with 62 grn Wolf ammo.

taliv
February 5, 2011, 02:03 PM
Still find me a 308 gun that doesn't shoot fed gm
Match 168 well... So there is room for improvement

spartan00054
February 5, 2011, 02:09 PM
Prvi is good stuff, the .308 I got from them was superior in all respects to the RORG surplus and the LC surplus I have put through my AR-10. Also shot their .223 and .45 ACP loads with complaint. Brass is great for reloading, most of it is annealed. Also, they are the only people I am aware of (thanks to members of this board) who make new 8x56R brass.

jimmyraythomason
February 5, 2011, 02:17 PM
So there is room for improvement No doubt but that is true with most everything.

WardenWolf
February 5, 2011, 02:33 PM
Everyone loves PRVI Partizan / PPU. It's great ammo at a great price.

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