AR-15 addons that make the gun better! (In All ways!)


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.zerocool.
February 5, 2011, 11:10 PM
Well guys, I figured I'd make a list of some things I have come across lately to make the AR more ergonomic, reliable, and strong. I figured it was worth making a thread specifically to it because I'd like to see what others have found as well.

The obvious addons. These are more ergonomic IMO.

-Magpul AFG. (Angled foregrip). By looking at it, some maybe deterred because they are stuck on holding the rifle like a rifle, just like I was. Slap one one, I will guarantee almost everyone will like the improved handling, feel, and stability it will provide.

-Thin profiled rail covers. After all, who of us has ape hands to support traditional rail covers. At 11-12$ each carbine length rail strip, you can easily down 50-100$ on just the covers depending on your rail's length. Just like the Magpul AFG, you will notice better ergonomics.

-Egro grip for bare hands, tango down grip for gloves. (this is IMO about the gloves thing. I'm a taller guy and the tango down is too slim, but, it's profile and slant back provides more of a rifle feel than a traditional a2 grip. The ergo slants forward, which is opposite of the tango down. IMO is too big for gloves, but depends on your hands.


Now, the real stuff. Not just snazzy addons, but stuff with major function.

- Troy Arms Pro grade Sling Adapter. Yup, this is the one that you DON'T need to stake your castle nut with. Finally, a solid solution to leave the stake out. If your like me and own multiple stocks, it is pointless to stake the castle nut creating a PITA situation to remove it and change the buffer tube. For 49$, IMO this is the best buy for ANY Adjustable stock. (Won't work with the ACE stocks which is a given). The second pro about this, is it actually makes the buffer tube strong. The buffer on collapsable stocks is weak, due to leverage. Unlike ace skeleton stocks with the "block" attached to the receiver, there is that gap btw the buffer and baseplate/sling mount bottom. (search up a pic you will see how it makes it stronger. It reinforces the entire area). Like said, for the cost, it's a must have. It also takes no removal of the buffer tube or castle nut to install, and comes with the ability to change from left to right side for the sling. (note, you have to have a standard receiver end plate for it to work. A sling mount plate won't work with it).

-Tetra Gun Grease. This stuff is top notch. I love the stuff and is ultra resiliant.


Now what are some of the things fitting into both sections that you guys have found? Triggers etc. Basically anything to make the AR perform better. Sure not everyone should like all the stuff as we each have our own tastes, but somethings like the troy sling mount are so universal, taste is completely out of the game because it's just do darn effective.

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RockyMtnTactical
February 5, 2011, 11:47 PM
Nickel Boron BCG should increase reliability.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/RMTactical/2011-01-11_13-12-25_342.jpg

It requires no lube (although the use of lube is still recommended).

A quality optic such as an Aimpoint or an ACOG is an obvious improvement as well, and I also think a light is almost an essential upgrade.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/RMTactical/AR15carbine11.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/RMTactical/IMG_6616.jpg

I like the CTR buttstock for carbines.

Never underestimate the need for a quality sling, specifically a 2-Point Quick Adjust.

Good mags, like PMAG's or Lancers which IMO are an upgrade over the standard AR15 USGI mags....

A quality Phantom flash hider or A2X is a fairly cheap upgrade that will make a significant improvement to your flash hiding capabilities.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/RMTactical/IMG_6334.jpg

.zerocool.
February 6, 2011, 12:28 AM
Goood stuff on the bolt. Now were talkin' practical upgrades.

I didn't even think of flash hiders. So I'll add a few myself.

I saw the post about linking pictures, so I'll provide a link on where to buy the damn thing to avoid any flaming (after all, what company would argue against their product being linked to, especially if its a company you have personally spoken to the owner and several employees with)

- PWS Compensator. The #1 compensator made IMO.
http://riflegear.com/images/Product/medium/877.jpg
http://riflegear.com/p-877-pws-compensators.aspx (a note... As I didn't ask the owner ahead of time to post this, I know he would say go for it.. just link to the store. Hes a great guy, and an awsome shop!)

-I've seen a lot of people dig noveske stuff, but for me, I prefer to dump 200$ into BUIS sights than onto a flash/compensator, but if your wallet allows, the stuff is top notch.

- the ar-57 flash hider. Sorry no pics or link on this one. This is something you will have to bug the AR-57 shop for, or an owner of an ar-57 like me who has swapped the FH out for a PWS.

An upgrade brand (most have heard of the piston system upgrades but not this brand)

- ADDAX uppers & piston kits. Pretty much the lowest price piston kits I have seen to date. Their uppers range from 6-1000$. Not bad considering most piston kits cost mega bucks, and for the price, the only brainsmart option is a full LMT kit (as LMT is unmatched in performance for the cost.... buuuut an ADDAX kit is close behind for 1/2 the cost)

Scopes. (this one is a hairy one as it's pretty much down to opinion here)

-NCstar. Many dislike. Many flame. Many bash. I've used multiple NCstar scopes in -20f snowy weather, up to 90+% humidity, with a # of different calibers. From 30-06, 458 LOTT, .223, 5.7, 7.62 etc. For the cost, these stay dialed in, don't fog or break. I have 0 bad things to say unlike others. I really reccommend NCstar over any other cheepy brand around bar none. If you want a good scope non ultra long range / hunting, get an ACOG, Aimpoint, Eotech, but if you are like me and don't feel like dumping 400-2k into an optic, and would rather dump that money into physical upgrades to the rifle such as custom bolts or barrels, check out NCstar.

I'm going to have to check out that Nickel Boron BCG soon as I'll be building an upper for general purposes. But of course not before I pick up a monolithic LMT GPU :)

To Add : PMAGS are AWSOME! Period. Speaking of which, in the following months, I'll be selling spring kits for them. As I gut the pmags and use them as brass catchers on my 5.7 upper. ($10 a piece!). Personally I've never seen a better mag than a pmag. Really, from spring to follower, they are made top notch. Magpul, you are not just "fashion" after all!!!)


Some must haves :

-DPMS Accu-Wedge AR15 - If you have upper/lower wobble like many of us that don't buy complete guns get... will certainly help, if not completely solve the issue. Now, take note, this might not take all the wobble out, but any gain in sturdiness is a major plus. I found I took more than 50% of wobble out (enough to make me like the feeling of the gun, vs the rattly pos it was before).

-KNS Gen 2 Anti-Walk/Rotation trigger/hammer pin set. This is the #1 upgrade to ensure your lower will last a long long time. Seriously, if you have an AR and don't have this kit... your in the stoneage. Get this before your sorry. Well unless you have a nice enclosed 200$+ trigger kit, then your a-ok. But for anything else... like said, this is a must. The most overlooked kit around. In fact I don't know one person that's active military (and has a choice on weapon mods) and doesn't have this. Sandbox & Afghani proven. (Sandbox = iraq for those of you not in the know)

-Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard (for all of you glove users) and well, for people that like grasping the trigger from the very base like myself. There are a few other companies that make similar, but none which ergonomics are as good as this (not just opinion, fact. Other companies have a "v" pattern etc due to not being able to use magpuls patent/design" I myself don't want a sharp v point on my trigger guard as I find I will just end up shanking myself with it at one point or another).

HorseSoldier
February 6, 2011, 12:37 AM
Well guys, I figured I'd make a list of some things I have come across lately to make the AR more ergonomic, reliable, and strong.

A pallet of 10,000 rounds of ammunition, a couple credit cards begging to be maxed out, and Larry Vickers and Pat Rogers on speed dial.

Really. Most of the stuff in this thread won't make any real difference in performance until the shooter has a certain level of proficiency in the first place. (And some of it becomes obviously irrelevant as skill level increases.)

-NCstar. Many dislike. Many flame. Many bash.

Only because they're mall ninja junk. For a range toy, they might be acceptable, but they have no place on a serious rifle.

Eotech. Proven. Period.

Not really. You can get on websites that cater to serious shooters (LF.net, M4C.net, etc) and therein it's hard to swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen threads that touch on how EOTechs aren't proven. Period.

Now, having said that, I should note that I run one, and have run one for years. I like the EOTech much more than AimPoint (and prefer the ACOG to either), but I recognize the optic has had a spotty reputation for QC and has its limitations. And I won't run an EOTech on a 7.62x51 rifle since I've had the personal experience of ejecting brass catching the sight housing as it comes out of the gun and ringing the EOTech's bells so hard the hologram fuzzed out for a couple seconds. Repeatedly.

Quentin
February 6, 2011, 12:38 AM
Really the only things a quality basic AR needs are plenty of magazines, plenty of ammo, a good sling, good irons and maybe a good RDS.

Pretty much the same for an AK too.

ny32182
February 6, 2011, 12:59 AM
The only things that are common to every AR I have that is not built as a military clone is a MIAD and ambi selector.

rjrivero
February 6, 2011, 01:20 AM
An Ops Inc 12th or 16th model.

JAV8000
February 6, 2011, 01:51 AM
The only really great upgrades for a combat M4/AR15 in my opinion is a quality optic, PEQ 15, three point sling, and some kind of flashlight. A vertical fore grip is also understandable, but only for CQC, for longer engagements it only hampers a good shooting position.

.zerocool.
February 6, 2011, 04:26 AM
"Really the only things a quality basic AR needs are plenty of magazines, plenty of ammo, a good sling, good irons and maybe a good RDS."

tell that to our boys in the sand box or afghani.

The AR as a base is filled with problems. From pin walking / rotation, to the excessive need to clean. I for one have had an AR jam many a times. Stocks break/shear off, castle nuts loosen, it takes a 3 handed operation (speaking of which, there is another part I'll add to the list).

-Magpul BAD Lever (Battery Assist Device). This device basically allows you to release the bolt to the closed position without needing to take your hand off the grip, or use your other hand which should be holding the front of the rifle. Another must have fix for anyone needing speed and doesn't feel like fumbling with both hands!


In the end, if it came down to my life, I wouldn't trust a stock AR like I would some other guns. You can get away with issues and hunting, after all if a Buck etc gets away there will be more, but if it's you that is being hunted persay, certain issues probably aren't the best. Especially things like castle nuts unwinding on you. Makes me think of the original m16 (pre m16a1) in vietnam which was resulting in dead soldiers. All the mags and ammo in the world won't do much for you if you can't get your gun to fire. Also, no matter the quality or cost, the AR is still prone to all the same issues, as well, that was just an after effect of the design. (Think a 2500$ piston based LMT rifle, will still have the same issues as a 500$ generic low end bushmaster minus the dirty old gas system the LMT replaced)

to add : Yea, I hear a lot of people really like the modular magpul grips NY. I myself just can't seem to like the feeling of them for whatever reason. Nothing against the grip as it's pretty revolutionary with it's modular design. I guess it's the same reason I like my ergo grip without gloves but hate it with gloves, and same as me liking the tango down with gloves and not without. Something about ergonomics. I guess I like the rifle to feel good being held with one hand by the pistol grip (of course not when aiming, but more or less walking or holding). My buddy swears by the magpul grips though. He's the one who introduced me to the angled foregrip. I'll never have a rifle without one. Even if I need to tape the damn thing on to a 30-06.

And pfffft you lucky one with the OPS silencer. I wish I lived in a state that allowed them. Then again, the PITA of properly purchasing one and getting it registerred is just as bad as buying a gun in california. Well unless you have one cool Judge with the right to arrest or sheriff in town. Then it's a-ok.

madcratebuilder
February 6, 2011, 05:44 AM
Ammo, mags and a 23&p.

Al Thompson
February 6, 2011, 08:22 AM
tell that to our boys in the sand box or Afghanistan.

For a new poster who lists no experience or training, you are coming off as an airsofter with a Brownells catalog.

FYI, at least two posters here have been in the sandbox and disagree with just about all that you've written. That would be "a clue".

The NCStar comment was priceless. :barf:

carbine85
February 6, 2011, 08:55 AM
Unless your an operator, LEO, Military, or shoot in carbine courses the AR15 doesn't require much at all. My go to M4forgery has a Magpul MOE hand guard with 1 short rail to mount a small flashlight on,Magpul Pistol Grip, a good set of BUIS, and a home made single point point sling. It's short, light weight, streamline and reliable, no extra tacticool stuff.

MMcfpd
February 6, 2011, 10:06 AM
Stocks, grips and handguards are all best fit to personal ergonomics. I prefer the A1 grip.

Aimpoint Micros and Geissele nonadjustable triggers are my most common "upgrades" although I've tried all sorts of stuff.

Good iron sights are also subject to personal preference. I like the YHM and Matech offerings and I don't like the MBUS.

Robert
February 6, 2011, 10:24 AM
The best addition I can make to my rifle is to ensure I can hit where I am aiming. All the whiz bang bolt ons in the world don't mean a thing if you can't shoot.

Anti walk pins are a great addition if you are a high volume shooter, say 5,000 rounds or more in a year. For your average plinker, target shooter they are a needless expense.

I do not care for the Magpul AFG. I run LaRue Hand Stops on my AR and find I like the LaRue stops better.

For a comp I run the Jerry Miculek Compensator. It is clocked to help offset recoil and allows me to stay on target better and pull off faster follow up shots. My AR is set up more for competition and as such a lot of the "tactical" add ons don't meet my needs as a competitive shooter.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=132668&d=1293164162

The Hand Stop is on backwards in this pic. I was experimenting with them at the time I took the picture.

towboat_er
February 6, 2011, 10:29 AM
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/towboat_er/images.jpg

Quentin
February 6, 2011, 10:41 AM
Really the only things a quality basic AR needs are plenty of magazines, plenty of ammo, a good sling, good irons and maybe a good RDS.

tell that to our boys in the sand box or afghani.

The AR as a base is filled with problems. From pin walking / rotation, to the excessive need to clean. I for one have had an AR jam many a times. Stocks break/shear off, castle nuts loosen, it takes a 3 handed operation (speaking of which, there is another part I'll add to the list).

-Magpul BAD Lever (Battery Assist Device). This device basically allows you to release the bolt to the closed position without needing to take your hand off the grip, or use your other hand which should be holding the front of the rifle. Another must have fix for anyone needing speed and doesn't feel like fumbling with both hands!


In the end, if it came down to my life, I wouldn't trust a stock AR like I would some other guns. You can get away with issues and hunting, after all if a Buck etc gets away there will be more, but if it's you that is being hunted persay, certain issues probably aren't the best. Especially things like castle nuts unwinding on you. Makes me think of the original m16 (pre m16a1) in vietnam which was resulting in dead soldiers. All the mags and ammo in the world won't do much for you if you can't get your gun to fire. Also, no matter the quality or cost, the AR is still prone to all the same issues, as well, that was just an after effect of the design. (Think a 2500$ piston based LMT rifle, will still have the same issues as a 500$ generic low end bushmaster minus the dirty old gas system the LMT replaced)

to add : Yea, I hear a lot of people really like the modular magpul grips NY. I myself just can't seem to like the feeling of them for whatever reason. Nothing against the grip as it's pretty revolutionary with it's modular design. I guess it's the same reason I like my ergo grip without gloves but hate it with gloves, and same as me liking the tango down with gloves and not without. Something about ergonomics. I guess I like the rifle to feel good being held with one hand by the pistol grip (of course not when aiming, but more or less walking or holding). My buddy swears by the magpul grips though. He's the one who introduced me to the angled foregrip. I'll never have a rifle without one. Even if I need to tape the damn thing on to a 30-06.

And pfffft you lucky one with the OPS silencer. I wish I lived in a state that allowed them. Then again, the PITA of properly purchasing one and getting it registerred is just as bad as buying a gun in california. Well unless you have one cool Judge with the right to arrest or sheriff in town. Then it's a-ok.

Well since you singled me out to "correct" please tell me more about your experience in the sandbox. Or are you talking about the one Brian Wilson has? Yeah by that remark you can tell I'm old, but I was in Vietnam so may know a thing or two. Have you served zerocool? Many of us have but most of us now are back as civilians and don't need/can't justify state of the art gear. But what we do have should meet a certain level of quality. That's what's important.

And why does your AR jam? I said "quality basic AR" then you said "The AR as a base is filled with problems. From pin walking / rotation, to the excessive need to clean. I for one have had an AR jam many a times. Stocks break/shear off, castle nuts loosen". Can you clarify that, I sure don't see those issues in a quality AR. And as far as "excessive need to clean", have you read about Pat Rogers' Filthy 14"?

Anyway, first buy a quality AR configured to your specs. Then add on quality components you need. Don't slap on junk.

Tirod
February 6, 2011, 10:56 AM
Most of what is sold in furniture is overpriced bling. A quad rail, not needed, even KAC, who supplies them to Colt for the M4, is in print saying most don't need it. It's an institutional compromise to accommodate a large user base.

As said, what is needed is good ammo, good magazines, and a good optic. The weapon is a 500m MAX line of sight shooter used against opposing soldiers. So far, what's been listed is a bunch of CQB specific addons, or long range precision, both are designed to enhance their specific functions, but detract from the other.

NOBODY in service has major problems with pins, cleaning, or stocks falling off, Colt provides a quality product. Anyone suffering those ills is, bluntly, either unrealistic about how they abuse their primary weapon, or buying junk.

Real improvements, like those actually listed in the Improved Carbine trial: A suppressor, performing parts replacement at scheduled round counts, and weekly practice.

Plenty of PROFESSIONALS simply use the issue M4 with little else and serve multiple tours. It's the ignorati who load it down with Brand Names like Nike, Addidas, and UnderArmor who need to justify their gun jewelry.

I'm building an AR, A1 stock, A2 rifle handguards, the only concession I've made is a TD Battlegrip because nobody makes an A1 in Foliage. Since real combat weapons aren't black, there was nothing smaller that fit. One concession.

Well, ok, it's in 6.8SPC, and nobody even mentioned that yet. I guess 40% more power isn't really a closet queen parts addon. :evil:

Not planning to really shoot live targets much? Maybe the whole point is being missed. It's a combat weapon. Take it hunting.

onebigelf
February 6, 2011, 11:15 AM
Some interesting input here.

I'm not a big fan of the AR-15 largely because I'm not a big fan of the caliber. Many of the issues that caused the military to select the M-16 in the first place don't apply to civilians. Many of the reasons that the military STAYS with the platform, likewise. I like a more powerful cartridge.

That said, I've rarely had problems with any of my AR-15s and most of those were peripheral related rather than the weapon itself. Really, how many of us likely to experience the issues of long patrols, extended combat deployments, and talcum powder sand? For most of us, any problem that requires the use of our rifles is going to come to us, or nearly so. It reminds me very much of the civilian (and LEO) adoption of the 9mm 147gr round a few years back. The 147 was used by the military SF community and so everybody HAD to have it as the BEST round available. Which wasn't why it was used by anyone in the military. The military used it in suppressed weapons because it was sub-sonic, not for terminal performance. For everything else, they use 115gr or 124 gr. None the less, pretty much everybody glommed on the 147gr bandwagon. Not that military is the ultimate arbiters of what works best. Their tactics are dictated by a combination of "it's what we've always done", equipment that is available to them most of us don't have (Superior body armor, full-auto, artillery support, air support, fire teams, etc), limitations we don't have (FMJ comes to mind, limited choice of weapons, patrol requirements to name a few).

I like some of the comments that have been posted because they examine equipment available based on what works without any other concerns. Sometimes we have to look at whether the basis for our decisions is correct, not just at our decisions themselves. Keep it up.

And that's one of the things I would like to see commented on in the equipment reviews and recommendations posted. Not just "what is good gear", but why is the addition of that gear good? Putting a forward grip on carbine, angled or vertical, what purpose does it serve? What need does it address? As well as, which ones are good. Lights. Why? Tactical advantages and disadvantages? Alternatives? There is a TON of gear to be hung on rails. What makes any of it a good idea, as well as what is good gear? I know people who tout the AR-15 for it's light weight and patrol portability, yet they have so much gear hung on their 6 1/2lb carbine, or carried in pouches to go on "at need" that they have converted the weapon to something that weighs more than the BAR my granddad carried in the Pacific and Korea.

Lets go deeper into the recommendations. What gear is good as well as what is good gear.

John

BoilerUP
February 6, 2011, 11:29 AM
As somebody who has a plain-jane stock A2-style AR15, all you tacticool kids can get off my lawn.

TexasRifleman
February 6, 2011, 11:50 AM
What an AR really needs is a shooter who knows what he's doing.

1000 rounds in a 3 day carbine class is the best upgrade you can buy.

jerkface11
February 6, 2011, 11:55 AM
A2 who needs that fancy crap? I run a colt 601 (no forward assist no shell deflector) with a trijicon on a carry handle mount.

JShirley
February 6, 2011, 01:10 PM
addons that make the gun better! (In All ways!)


That's kind of a nonsensical title, there. Frequently, one trades one characteristic for another that considered to be more of a priority.

Consider that, the last I heard, the Marines' basic service rifle is the M16A4. They valued the extra velocity and additional user accuracy with the longer platform. The Army, OTOH, uses the M4 as the basic service rifle. The Army values the manueverability of the M4 more than than the velocity they would have if using the longer M16-length barrels.

Same thing with some of your addons. Using an optical powered scope may give more accuracy at distance, but is going to make very close shots slower. Users must prioritize for them.

You can't consider a piston upper an "addon". You can completely changed the nature of the system.

I'm no M16/AR15-family apologist, but each person has to evaluate his own needs, and work to fill them. In general, the M4-style carbine ain't broke. So don't imagine you're fixing it. :rolleyes:

John

janobles14
February 6, 2011, 01:23 PM
a good compensator i would say is a must! the pws one is fantastic!

TimboKhan
February 6, 2011, 01:33 PM
The AR as a base is filled with problems. From pin walking / rotation, to the excessive need to clean. I for one have had an AR jam many a times. Stocks break/shear off, castle nuts loosen, it takes a 3 handed operation (speaking of which, there is another part I'll add to the list).

If this is your real opinion there isn't anything I can do to change it. However, I can disagree with it. It's been a long time since Hue, man. The M16 has evolved and it's reliability and versatility has improved at virtually every step along the way. All of those things you mention can happen, but that doesn't mean it's a given that they will happen.

As far as three handed operation... what? I have been shooting the M16/AR platform for 21 years now (though I don't claim to have the experience, knowledge or training that some THR members really do have), and at no point in that period of time have I ever thought "Boy, a third hand would be nice."

Additionally, I can shoot a bone stock, plain jane AR exactly as well as I can with one that has all the crap hanging off of it. Oh, maybe an optic would improve my accuracy, but forward grips, mag grips, big rails or little rails or any other doo-daddery that you want to add on doesn't really significantly change my ability to peer through the sight, establish proper sight picture and squeeze the trigger. Stock length and design do have some bearing on that, but I have found that is an issue of personal preference not one that you can definitively say "this one is better". That isn't to say that the variety of add-on components is bad, but to say that they are somehow necessary is kind of ridiculous.

At the end of the day dude, the only thing that makes the AR a better rifle is the shooter. Rounds down range make you a better shooter, and "talent" doesn't make one bit of difference until you have the experience to back it up. Jimi Hendrix didn't pick up a guitar on a whim and start playing "Purple Haze", and neither did Jerry Miculek just randomly pick up a revolver and start proving he is the GOAT. Both of those guys worked really, really hard at the fundamentals of their respective crafts and started making the modifications to their respective gear only after years of experience taught them that certain things were right for them.

-v-
February 6, 2011, 01:33 PM
Personally, I like the JP enhanced bolt made of SAE 9310 over the Mil-Spec 8620. Much longer life-span, much less chance of lugs breaking. The AR-15 bolt is somewhat flawed already due to the multiple locking lugs. I think it would have been much better to have 2 or 3 large solid lugs over 7 smaller lugs, but it is what it is.

Other then that, an adjustable stock is good plus. Magpul makes several good ones, GI one isn't shabby either.

For a defensive carbine, a light to see what you're about to blast across your living room, and an Aimpoint for better hit probability under stress. A 3x flip-to-side magnifier if the need arises to do any extended range shooting.

A vertical/angled foregrip is not a bad idea, but thats a user preference. To prior posters, a AFG/VFG does greatly aid in maneuverability and quick and accurate follow-up shots from the platform. It serves a real purpose.

I'm impartial to stainless steel barrels: All the corrosion resistance of chrome lined and all the accuracy of an unlined barrel. With the only potential downside is a very slight increase in weight. An all around win-win-win.

Last but not least PMags. Very minimal risk of feed lips becoming deformed equates to one very happy and smoothly running rifle.

kwelz
February 6, 2011, 01:52 PM
The best addition you can get for an AR to make it better is training. Find a local class by a reputable instructor and attend.

After that I suggest a RDS, good 2 point sling, and a light.

All other things are personal preference.

jpwilly
February 6, 2011, 02:01 PM
Changes that make you and the rifle "one" and that will reliably work under less than ideal conditions / use are "upgrades" IMO.

A working rifle has vastly different requirements and compromises to make than a range toy.

Art Eatman
February 6, 2011, 02:06 PM
1980 was how long ago? I've done some casual off-and-on messing around with four of them and, I dunno, maybe 3,000 rounds, total. Never did add-ons until I scoped the present one I have. Old-age eyes and all that. All I know is to aim, squeeze trigger and hit the target.

But that's likely plenty good enough...

Rail Driver
February 6, 2011, 02:13 PM
I second the Magpul B.A.D. lever and raise you a L.A.R. Grizzly left side charging upper.

with both of those items, the ergonomics of the AR platform rifle are greatly enhanced.

sappyg
February 6, 2011, 02:46 PM
Basically my AR is basically bone stock. I did add a BUIS rear sight because I thought it would help while aiming. I do like the 6 position stock that it came with but I'm not sure if that would be considered an add on or a model enhancement.

Adding an optic may be the best all around feature for any firearm. I'll go with that one.

A two point sling would be nice but I can get along fine with the slings I already have.

.zerocool.
February 6, 2011, 06:05 PM
"For a new poster who lists no experience or training, you are coming off as an airsofter with a Brownells catalog"

Well, no one has asked me about my experience. Generally I give information on a need to know basis or when asked.

Not only are family members serving abroad, many friends are also. Nice comment on the airsoft also, I guess that kind of comment is typical from a "gun person". Another reason many of the people I know dislike gun lovers, is their arrogance ruins it. So in the end, a simple "hey what kind of experience do you have to back up the comment" would be a much more, well, educated / adultlike way to put it, instead of using a put down.

And yes, I may be new here, but if this is how you welcome new commers I'll take my time elsewhere.


Back on topic, some people have posted some good additions. Keep it up. It's useful to have a thread specifically with upgrades that are generally spread throughout a forum or overlooked. Nice to have everything in one tidy package. My last request, no more personal comments. Unless you have something to add to the list, please refrain from posting. It will just clutter the thread up and make it useless. I'm not a mod, but I'm the OP on the thread, and I really don't want this to turn into an opinion war. Also saying the AR is fine how it is, is not posting a useful addition, and just adding to thread clutter.

clutch
February 6, 2011, 06:12 PM
Shooting coat, decent 1903 type sling, shooting glove.

hso
February 6, 2011, 08:23 PM
New poseurs espousing baseless gear glutton opinions won't survive long around here trying to school experienced shooters when the need is to come to learn instead of trying to impress.

RockyMtnTactical
February 6, 2011, 08:47 PM
What an AR really needs is a shooter who knows what he's doing.

1000 rounds in a 3 day carbine class is the best upgrade you can buy.

You're talking software. We were talking hardware in this thread I thought.

Bartholomew Roberts
February 6, 2011, 09:12 PM
Unless you have something to add to the list, please refrain from posting

That's ironic coming from someone posting as much erroneous infomation as you have lately. Maybe you should follow your own advice?

benEzra
February 6, 2011, 09:29 PM
a good compensator i would say is a must
It depends on the purpose, IMO. For a competition gun, when trying to squeeze out slightly faster splits and slightly faster stages at all costs, a compensator can be very helpful, yes. A whole lot of 3-gun and top USPSA competitors use them, for that reason.

For a gun that is going to serve in a defensive role, though, I think most of us are better served with a flash suppressor. A compensator makes a 16" .223 several times louder, and having a "flash and blast amplifier" on the end of your barrel while firing in low light without hearing protection (especially in an enclosed area, like the hallway in your house) is going to slow down your followup shots rather than speed them up, and isn't going to do good things to your situational awareness either. I personally like the Smith Vortex, but a lot of people I respect like the AAC Blackout, and the basic A2 flash suppressor isn't bad either.

As to the broader hardware question, the number one thing in my mind is to make sure the carbine is assembled correctly (gas key screws properly torqued and staked, castle nut staked, buffer weight and spring type are appropriate for the gas system length and port diameter) and that good magazines are used.

Beyond that, appropriate accessories depend heavily on the role the rifle needs to fill. My needs are basically a 0-300 yard carbine for USPSA type shooting and defensive standby, and for those purposes I see a light, an optic, and a Vickers-style 2-point sling to be the three most useful accessories. The light is the only one of the three that I would see as being pretty much a necessity; the other two are optional but helpful.

For a long-range target gun or varmint gun, obviously a much different set of accessories would be appropriate.

Grunt Medic TXARNG
February 6, 2011, 09:41 PM
Ladder rail covers, pushbutton sling attachment points. Still working on my ideal sighting solution - for now I'm running an ACOG and a red dot.

Tirod
February 6, 2011, 10:23 PM
Left side charger upper? I seriously considered it and agree it can do one thing, speed a reload. Two issues - when does that happen with a bolt hold open, and why?

Everybody including myself have agreed it's good to keep the trigger hand on the grip when charging, but nobody says why it would need to happen that way. You don't leave the wire with an empty chamber, and in combat, it's either an empty mag reload (hit the button,) or a tactical reload with one in the chamber, trading in a fuller mag.

Saved myself $300 not biting that hook. It'll be a nice thing to have on the Improved Carbine, along with the new Multicam shooting jacket and matching mat - equally useful only in a specific circumstance, not for general use.

If anyone else has a suggestion, how about laying out WHY and WHEN it might be more useful than impressing people at a public range or an internet audience? Otherwise, it's just an unpaid commercial announcement.

Unless that's all the OP really has in mind.

hso
February 6, 2011, 10:40 PM
Sling (whatever works for you)
0-3x optic (whatever combo works for you)
After that the rest is debatable as to being universally useful.

.zerocool.
February 6, 2011, 10:55 PM
Seriously...

"New poseurs espousing baseless gear glutton opinions won't survive long around here trying to school experienced shooters when the need is to come to learn instead of trying to impress."

"That's ironic coming from someone posting as much erroneous infomation as you have lately. Maybe you should follow your own advice?"


Coming from a mod... and an ultra high number of posts member.

That said... I'll warn others about this forum and take my time elsewhere. I guess the few that are on their high horse have made their point. In other words your worse than a typical gun shop that shuns a new customer. All I asked was to keep this on topic, and even a mod jumped in and posted off topic stuff. I guess you guys have spoken for an entire forum of users, and thus, shunning away another person. If you were a salesman, you would have just failed. Way to show how a forum welcomes it's new members.
Cheers.

btw, I don't need to "Impress" anyone. I was just trying to add a few things that are helpful to other users. But then again, seems like the old schoolers are set on their ways and think this "new school" stuff is just a joke. Hate to break it to you, but there are many things that have been improved upon with firearms in the last decade. You decided not to take it, so what a pitty.

O and experienced shooters... well, unless your kicking down doors next to me in the sand box I really won't take that comment too heavily.

Quentin
February 6, 2011, 11:08 PM
zero, when you join a new forum it makes sense to pay attention and learn the ropes before jumping in and telling everyone else they're idiots. As far as people bashing you, as I remember you started it. At least I know you mocked me.

Bye, see you over at Barfcom. :p

.zerocool.
February 6, 2011, 11:10 PM
Quote me on when I said someone was an idiot.

The only semi-smart ass comment I had was "tell that to our boys in the sanbox and afghani".

I being one of them. And I'll be back there again shortly for a 4th time.

To add : no problem. I obviously won't be missing much here, as I noticed from a few users actions. Cheers from the US Armed forces.

sappyg
February 6, 2011, 11:18 PM
Also saying the AR is fine how it is, is not posting a useful addition, and just adding to thread clutter.

I like my AR the way I found it.
It's not post clutter when you (OP), ask for experienced thought and get just that. experience.

mine is a rather pedestrian affair but it's my affair. it's quite good enough as is. that's just the way of it.

if you are looking for approval from some or others here to hang stuff on your AR you may not find it here.

frankly i just don't have the experiece required to suggest any more than sights and a comfortable sling. that should be good enough for any rifleman. what more could you ask for?

Dr.Rob
February 6, 2011, 11:37 PM
I've slowly accumulated a pile of add ons that I don't really need. Expect to see some on the buy/sell trade forum soon.

My stock rifle (Colt 6920) has been flawless from the factory. Ugrades I found useful: Leather shooting sling, rubberized pistol grip (Hogue in my case), low power fixed optic that allows me to use my irons and gives me better long range accuracy, P-Mags.

TimboKhan
February 6, 2011, 11:39 PM
I really don't want this to turn into an opinion war. Also saying the AR is fine how it is, is not posting a useful addition, and just adding to thread clutter

soooooo....

You can post your opinions about what to add to a gun, and make no mistake, that is all they are is opinions, but we cannot post ours unless we specifically agree with you, or somehow feed your component fetish? For the most part, there isn't anything wrong with any of the parts that you mentioned, but many of us see them as mostly useless for our purposes. Rightfully so, I might add. Dude, if you wonder why people are calling you a poser, this is it.

You like all that stuff, fine. Implying that the AR is useless without them? That is what gets you treated like a poser. Don't think you did that? here you go: Basically anything to make the AR perform better. Sure not everyone should like all the stuff as we each have our own tastes, but somethings like the troy sling mount are so universal, taste is completely out of the game because it's just do darn effective.

For your information, I would rather have no sling than this design. Single point slings and I do not work well together, and since I am not an "operator" or on a SWAT team, or any other position in life that would dictate a single point sling, I view them as a waste of my money. Perhaps they are not a waste of yours, and that is fine.

Anyway, I am done with this thread. Sorry you feel as if we have been big meanies to you, but you threw down some very definitive statements, and then avoided backing them up. Family and friends serving in the military is awesome and all but does not count, in any meaningful way whatsoever, as relevant experience.

HorseSoldier
February 6, 2011, 11:44 PM
For your information, I would rather have no sling than this design. Single point slings and I do not work well together, and since I am not an "operator" or on a SWAT team, or any other position in life that would dictate a single point sling, I view them as a waste of my money. Perhaps they are not a waste of yours, and that is fine.

The glory of single point slings is that you can then grab the barrel with your toes when you're wearing those cool ninja tabi sock things and freeclimbing up buildings to better engage terrorists . . . ;)

Double Naught Spy
February 6, 2011, 11:51 PM
I have been really happy with my Battle Arms ambi safeties. You get a choice of arms to put on the safety and hence customize it to your preferences. I own 2 now.

http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/badass.php

Tim the student
February 7, 2011, 12:51 AM
For me, a sling you are warm and fuzzy with, a quality optic of your choice, absolutely reliable mags, and BUIS.

Well, no one has asked me about my experience.

Well, can you tell us more about your experience?

christcorp
February 7, 2011, 01:51 AM
For me; I like AR's as simple as possible. Yes, a sling is nice. But usually just for the range. I bought an M&P15OR. "OR" stands for "Optical Ready". Which means it doesn't come with optics of any type. It's designed for the owner to put on what they want, instead of what is standard. So, my add on's were pretty simple. I put on an A1optic 1-2x42mm red-dot scope. I also put on some back up iron sights. (Just in case I was using the gun and the battery died or the red-dot scope some other way died. I put on a sling. And I put on a very basic laser sight. The purpose of this was for indoor use, should I ever need to use it for self defense. Very unlikely, considering I'd almost always choose one of my pistols or shotguns for home defense, but the laser doesn't take up any real space, and it only cost about $30.

That's all the accessories I put on the M&P15OR. Original stock, original foregrip. Original Bolt. etc... I have thought of putting in a replacement buffer. Probably a Spikes Tactical ST-T2. Most carbines, especially M&P's are over-gassed. Not a big problem. But the original buffer is pretty light. I prefer to create a little more resistance to put less stress on the rifle and make a little smoother action. (ST-T2 using tungsten powder instead of solid tungsten and steel. Makes for a softer transfer of energy. Haven't made up my mind on that. But I would say that important accessories, if they don't already exist; is back up iron sights, decent optics, and a sling. Anything after that is simply WANT TO HAVES instead of NEED TO HAVES. I think the optics, backup sights and sling are NEED TO HAVES.

Quentin
February 7, 2011, 02:02 AM
Quote me on when I said someone was an idiot.

The only semi-smart ass comment I had was "tell that to our boys in the sanbox and afghani".

I being one of them. And I'll be back there again shortly for a 4th time.

To add : no problem. I obviously won't be missing much here, as I noticed from a few users actions. Cheers from the US Armed forces.
zerocool, this is the first I've heard that you are a soldier. And that raises you 1000% in regard to respect. Definitely have fun with your weapons in peacetime but don't load yourself down with unnecessary weight when your life is on the line. Take care of yourself over there! Live long and grow up to be an old fart like many of us! :D

essayons21
February 7, 2011, 03:03 AM
You are all wrong,

The best upgrade to an AR is to stick some ammo in it.

Rubber_Duck
February 7, 2011, 04:31 AM
.zerocool.,

You come off sounding like a 16-year old trying to give everybody advice based on your custom airsoft gun. I don't know where you are getting your knowledge, so what is your experience with the AR? Until you prove otherwise, you give the impression of a mall-ninja poser based on what I've seen you post in other threads.

Your logic and suggestions are flawed in more than one area.

How do you figure the carbine buffer tube is weak due to leverage? How do you figure NC Star is good to go over an ACOG or Aimpoint? NC Star is JUNK. Not even worth putting on an airsoft gun. You get what you pay for with optics. The KNS anti-rotation pins are unnecessary on any properly built AR.

The Accu-wedge is not recommended by serious users in any rifle used in any serious capacity. They have been known to come apart in the lower. A sloppy fit between upper and lower is not going to affect accuracy, your barrel and sights are all solidly affixed to each other on the upper.

The AR as a base is filled with problems. From pin walking / rotation, to the excessive need to clean. I for one have had an AR jam many a times. Stocks break/shear off, castle nuts loosen, it takes a 3 handed operation (speaking of which, there is another part I'll add to the list).

This is so absurd I'm not even going there. Do your homework for mil-spec AR-15s. I can trust a stock Colt 6920 with my life. A 6920 with good ammo and good mags will run circles around your AR-57. You will not have a problem buying quality, such as a BCM or Colt AR-15. There are qualities and specifications about these rifles that Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, and many others cannot meet at their price point and that is why there are serious, hard-use AR-15s and then there are recreational guns.

Also, no matter the quality or cost, the AR is still prone to all the same issues

Yes, quality and cost matters. There is a reason Colt, LMT, Noveske, KAC, and a few others are considered good-to-go when it counts versus brands like Bushmaster. If quality and cost didn't matter nobody would shell out $2K for a KAC or a Noveske. You said a 500-dollar Bushmaster works the same so I guess I shouldn't waste my money on a KAC SR-15E3.

Through my experience shooting the AR as a civilian and in the military I have found the best add-ons are:
-Training
-Quality magazines
-Two-point sling
-Sturdy weapon light
-Quality trigger
-Quality optic such as Aimpoint or ACOG (not NC Star, keep that crap in China).
I'm not gonna say which ones somebody should buy because it's all based on preference and as long as you buy quality and you learn how to use it it will make you more effective. The training helps big time in learning how to apply the fundamentals as well as make the most of your add-ons. I use a Geissele SSA trigger, Lancer mags, an ACOG, and a SureFire Scout Light. They work for me. The next guy might use PMags and an Aimpoint. The next guy might have just iron sights and a sling but has attended over a dozen carbine classes. It's not all about hardware.

Based on my experience with the AR-15/M4/M16, I haven't seen the issues that the OP says are normal with the AR family. He is mostly talking out of his rear end. You mention post counts on more than one occasion. I don't even look at other people's post count, I read what they have to say and prefer useful and intelligent information. You are new here. Read more and post less.

.zerocool.
February 7, 2011, 05:06 AM
My experience with an AR consists of 3 tours in the San Box kicking down doors next to my best friend with a 249.

Reason I said sheared stocks. You think I sheared stocks off looking at my gun. I sheared them off beating down wood and metal doors in search of the "holy one" as some call it.

It's weak due to leverage because of the 1/2 inch gap between the buffer tube and the base of the receiver plate. Then again, most civilians will know about smashing their stock into a door to try and get it open. And no, we don't always use explosives or shotguns to enter doors.

There is also a reason many soldiers in the SF side of things choose AK's over AR's. It's not just for "footprint", it's not just for being anonymous, it's for reliability. I for one dislike many things about the AR. General enlisted soldiers don't get a choice about their gun. But when you do, and your life depends on it, you choose to fix the issues that CAN KILL YOU. Period.

Sure having issues with pin rotation are miniscule to civilians, but when you need your gun to stay alive, you don't want to worry about it. Especially when it's a 20$ upgrade to fix the damn issue. Same with the magpul bolt release. These upgrades are practical, and real. Real results. Like said, until your life depends on your gun, you probably won't think much of it.

And the accuwedge is not reccommended by who. Show me. Hate to break it to you, but some of us don't like rattling, which ultimately gets us killed. NOISE = Death. Sooo being as quiet as possible is the key. Having a custom machinist on hand to fix an issue isn't always feasable.

To add : So last time, unless you play nice, I'm gone. I don't have the time,need or want to dispute with old farts (sorry, not bashing on all, as some of my dads gen are top notch guys) who think they still have it, just because they were ordered to go overseas. We volunteered to go. Try that one on for size.
O and homework on milspec colts... give me a break. I had a colt when I was out of basic. I use LMT based weapons now for the job. I wouldn't rely on a colt if my life depended on it. Pure rubbish.

To add yet again : I run an ar-57 when I'm back at home so I don't punch holes through neighbors houses if I need to defend myself. It's sheer common sense. I'm not using the 5.7 because I think it's the best, I'm using it at home because I don't want to kill more than the guy I'm aiming for. PERIOD. I'll use a .50 beo any day if I wanted max damage. But being I don't want to shoot through 3 houses just to take a guy out, I opt for the 5.7 PISTOL round to defend myself. It penetrates armor well, and won't visit any of the neighbors. No need to bring my likes or dislikes into the convo. My like is the .458 LOTT and .50 beo. Neither of which I would ever bother to own in the city. Heck, I'd probably not even bother to own them in the country being the .458 is the king of big game rounds, and the .50 beo is the king of anti vehicle rounds.

btw, I wouldn't relate to the AF and Baptism by fire any day. The AF see just about as much action as the Army IT guys. Not to diss AF as my high school buddy is an AF MP, but man, they are about as far from real ground combat as Obama is from being experienced with politics. (sorry to bring a political statement into the matter, thought it was a good/funny analogy). I guess it's the same way as an Army Infantry soldier disliking the Marines and so on.

Rubber_Duck
February 7, 2011, 05:40 AM
In the military we use tools to gain access into denied areas. The stock of your weapon is not a tool for opening doors, no soldier would treat his weapon, his lifeline, like that. And you are not searching for the holy one. If you were, you wouldn't post about it so much, that only screams POSER!

There is also a reason many soldiers in the SF side of things choose AK's over AR's. It's not just for "footprint", it's not just for being anonymous, it's for reliability.
Another myth that doesn't get old. SOF forces are using AMERICAN weapons.

Trigger/hammer pin rotation has never been an issue with any of the US Government rifles I've looked at.

And the accuwedge is not reccommended by who. Show me. Hate to break it to you, but some of us don't like rattling, which ultimately gets us killed. NOISE = Death. Sooo being as quiet as possible is the key. Having a custom machinist on hand to fix an issue isn't always feasable.

Another one of your classic jokes. They are not recommended by anybody heading into harm's way and those civilians who know a thing or two about hard use rifles. They can disintegrate in your lower and they offer no real benefit to reliability, only for the pretty fit and finish wall-hangers. If you must have rigidity in this area the JP Tensioning Pin is a better option though the hassle of disassembly negates any benefit.

Also, the sound of the two uppers rattling is negligible. With all the gear worn in the military, many other things will make far greater noise than your receivers wobbling. Multiple pairs of boots moving on the ground is but one example. Your argument here has me convinced you are a ninja. You must wear socks to creep around your enemies. What a day at the office for you huh?

I enlisted years ago, so I'm not just another deer hunting civilian. I don't have to share my military experiences on a public forum just to prove myself. Only posers will repeatedly brag about kicking down doors. That wasn't my job but I respect those who catch bullets for a living and I did carry weapons myself and thankfully never had to use them but I had 100% confidence in my issue M4. The Air Force likes to issue new stuff so no worries there. But repeatedly mentioning that you do all this dirty work just doesn't seem kosher to me, it's like you're trying to say that you are right because you have all this experience (which you don't) and that everybody else is wrong because they are lowly civilians. How did your NC Star hold up while you searched for the 'holy one' and 'yours truly'? Who is the holy one anyways?

HorseSoldier
February 7, 2011, 06:21 AM
My experience with an AR consists of 3 tours in the San Box kicking down doors next to my best friend with a 249.

I doubt it.

Reason I said sheared stocks. You think I sheared stocks off looking at my gun. I sheared them off beating down wood and metal doors in search of the "holy one" as some call it.

These are the sort of reasons why I doubt it.

There is also a reason many soldiers in the SF side of things choose AK's over AR's.

And further doubt, from first hand experience. During the years I was assigned to a USASFC unit I worked with team guys from not only the SFG I was assigned to but also teams from every AD and NG SFG except 1st and 10th and nobody used AKs. (To be 100% accurate -- the only guys who I ever worked with who used AKs downrange were a few guys we had detailed out to train allied SOF in their home nation where US troops bringing weapons in country would have been politically unacceptable, so they were equipped with host nation weaponry. Outside that handful of guys, nope -- and definitely no one in Iraq or Afghanistan.)

I for one dislike many things about the AR. General enlisted soldiers don't get a choice about their gun. But when you do, and your life depends on it, you choose to fix the issues that CAN KILL YOU. Period.


Due to the nature of my gig in an SF unit and the specific team guys I was assigned to I had routine access to all sorts of foreign weapons and ammo to feed them. If you're properly trained to operate them, there's not much that can beat an M4 for gunfighting, and it's not hard to keep them running.

Sure having issues with pin rotation are miniscule to civilians, but when you need your gun to stay alive, you don't want to worry about it.

Never needed them personally and have also never seen pins go walkabout on anyone else's issue M4A1 (or M4 or M16). I've seen all sorts of failures and breakages on them, but never that one.

And the accuwedge is not reccommended by who. Show me. Hate to break it to you, but some of us don't like rattling, which ultimately gets us killed. NOISE = Death. Sooo being as quiet as possible is the key. Having a custom machinist on hand to fix an issue isn't always feasable.

Again, seen a lot of M4A1s (and M4s and M16s). Never saw one that rattled enough to attract the attention of haji or anyone else. Also never saw that many situations where a rattling M4 was going to attract bad guys' attention over the sounds of vehicles and all the other things present on the battlefield. I figure if guys in Vietnam could survive without accuwedges while playing hide and seek with the bad guys at spitting distance there's just no way even the most dogged out AR can rattle enough to get you shot.

To add : So last time, unless you play nice, I'm gone. I don't have the time,need or want to dispute with old farts (sorry, not bashing on all, as some of my dads gen are top notch guys) who think they still have it, just because they were ordered to go overseas. We volunteered to go. Try that one on for size.

If you want to run off in a huff because people with real experience don't agree with some of your more preposterous statements, it's hard to say your absence will be noticed much or cause for mourning.

As for old guys and all -- I'm not that old, but old enough to remember the last time I ranted about stuff relating to my dad's generation I was probably 16.

O and homework on milspec colts... give me a break. I had a colt when I was out of basic. I use LMT based weapons now for the job.

No you don't.

btw, I wouldn't relate to the AF and Baptism by fire any day. The AF see just about as much action as the Army IT guys. Not to diss AF as my high school buddy is an AF MP, but man, they are about as far from real ground combat as Obama is from being experienced with politics. (sorry to bring a political statement into the matter, thought it was a good/funny analogy). I guess it's the same way as an Army Infantry soldier disliking the Marines and so on.

I suppose it depends on who you're talking to. I've known some USAF JTACs who had a whole lot more time in a whole lot worse than most USA or USMC infantrymen had seen. Lot of Air Force Security Forces guys saw a lot of bad times during the early days in Iraq, too, when they were outside the wire on convoys, too. (And note: I don't know anyone in the modern joint service world who calls them "AF MPs" -- even my day one Joes fresh from OSUT who can't shut up with their basic training stories usually know that they're "Air Force SF," if only because it's kind of funny . . .)

Grunt Medic TXARNG
February 7, 2011, 06:22 AM
It's sad how a few long term users can deter new people - Even more sad when they resort to insults when no insult was given to be returned with.
You haven't heard any insults from this 'old fart', and you won't - but you have indeed given insult here. You show up telling everyone here how great you are and how you have all this specialized knowledge - it's quite insulting and condescending. Frankly, if you are going to keep up this approach you won't have to feel deterred, as you will be banned. Please consider this.

Bartholomew Roberts
February 7, 2011, 07:40 AM
That said... I'll warn others about this forum and take my time elsewhere. I guess the few that are on their high horse have made their point. In other words your worse than a typical gun shop that shuns a new customer. All I asked was to keep this on topic, and even a mod jumped in and posted off topic stuff. I guess you guys have spoken for an entire forum of users, and thus, shunning away another person. If you were a salesman, you would have just failed. Way to show how a forum welcomes it's new members.

1. I am not a mod, emeritus is a Latin word meaning to earn one's discharge via service. I no longer moderate here and am the same as any other member.

2. You are not a soldier. Claiming an honor you have not earned will not win you respect, even on the Internet.

3. Please do take your show on the road and warn others. Bullcrap is a cheap commodity on the Internet, so the problem is limiting what we get, not finding more.

merlinfire
February 7, 2011, 08:17 AM
What an AR really needs is a shooter who knows what he's doing.

1000 rounds in a 3 day carbine class is the best upgrade you can buy.

Good point.

nipprdog
February 7, 2011, 09:02 AM
So last time, unless you play nice, I'm gone.

And that would affect us...... how????

SalchaketJoe
February 7, 2011, 09:08 AM
Surprised no one has listed a trigger group upgrade. Edit, saw one mention. Quality sights or optic and new trigger. Lots of perfect practice. IMO the AR platform is plenty accurate and reliable. Its the user that needs improvement

Rubber_Duck
February 7, 2011, 09:11 AM
I mentioned trigger in one of my posts, my favorite being the Geissele SSA as it's non-adjustable.

Tirod
February 7, 2011, 09:13 AM
Apparently the OP spent all of his time in some mountain villages in Pakistan. That's the only Holy One we are currently seeking.

Please name the unit and where you actually operated. It will be the first credible thing I've seen posted. I hope.

Some of us have actually been face to face and handled terrorists, if our experience doesn't seem to mirror yours, sure. We all see just one small part of the big picture. One I saw right on the TV was that troops busting down doors use door breachers, just like SWAT. Buttstocks, NEVER. No properly trained MIL/LEO does that, they learn better in MOUT training.

Go ahead and list the mob station you were reminded of that, too. Me, I got Ft Dix, and we were retraining from Area Guard MP's to Confinement Fac. Went from Mob orders issued to boots on the ground offshore in less than 5 weeks, and on duty. We were very much the exception.

I've got to point out even the slang used doesn't ring true. Three tours? Really? My former MP unit has done that, with the lag time between, you're what age? 18 + 6 mos Basic/AIT plus: 18 mos and a minimum 9 mos between rotations X3 = ?

Moving to another forum won't help, some of us visit 5 a day.

kwelz
February 7, 2011, 10:08 AM
Wow. I really love it when a new person comes on here acting like they know everything then starts complaining when he gets called out on it.

Zero, maybe you are a soldier, maybe you are not. But regardless, your knowledge of the platform is lacking. So far you have suggested some things that are ok (AFG works for some people) and others that are downright some of the worst on the market(Ergo grips are terrible).

You then claim that an Ace stock makes things stronger. I don't see to many ACE stocks on the guns of experienced shooters. Know what I do see? M4, CR, and IMod stocks mounted on a standard Receiver extension. And it is called a Receiver Extension. Not a "buffer tube"

A few other things of note.
Accuwedge is great for taking money out of your wallet. Not so great for actually helping your gun. In fact it can cause the gun to malfunction. There is no problem with play between the upper and lower. It has no impact on accuracy or reliability. Not only are they not a "must have" they are in fact a "Do not ever buy"

NC STAR. Some of the worst Chinese made crap on the market. How the heck could you expect to be taken seriously while suggesting this junk. What next? A UTG rail?

The piston kit, like all pistons, is pretty much useless. ARs run quite well without Pistons, they don't require cleaning and with a bit of Lube will run like the energizer bunny.

The tolerance for BS on the board is higher than the other boards I frequent. However there is only so much the experienced shooters here will put up with.

And your threats to leave if we don't "play nice" Well. Yeah. Don't let the door hit you......

So far the people calling you out are very experienced shooters. You would be well served in eating a bit of humble pie and listening to what they have to say.


You're talking software. We were talking hardware in this thread I thought.

You are probably right. I just listed what I felt was the most important "Addition" to an AR. :neener:

Z-Michigan
February 7, 2011, 10:22 AM
The glory of single point slings is that you can then grab the barrel with your toes when you're wearing those cool ninja tabi sock things and freeclimbing up buildings to better engage terrorists

I thought the whole point of single-point slings was that they enforced muzzle control - fail to control the muzzle and you'll be bent over in pain shortly. I could explain more graphically but this is "The High Road."

taliv
February 7, 2011, 10:37 AM
Closed temporarily until some of the claims in this thread can be verified

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