Demonstrations/Protests and Possible Arrest Affecting Future Gun Rights


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BehindTheIronCurtain
February 6, 2011, 07:00 PM
I've seen a few OC demonstrations where people are carrying their pistols openly my question is, if they get arrested, now they have an arrest to explain during background checks.

I'm in NYC and would love to organize a demonstration (in talks now with several people) but while bringing your gun would send a clear message, simply HAVING a gun in NYC without a permit is grounds for arrest and SERIOUS jail time.

Is this a good idea? Is it worth the risk?

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Tommygunn
February 6, 2011, 07:35 PM
....simply HAVING a gun in NYC without a permit is grounds for arrest and SERIOUS jail time.

Is this a good idea? Is it worth the risk?

There is your answer to your own question.

General Geoff
February 6, 2011, 07:40 PM
I'm in NYC and would love to organize a demonstration (in talks now with several people) but while bringing your gun would send a clear message, simply HAVING a gun in NYC without a permit is grounds for arrest and SERIOUS jail time.

Is this a good idea? Is it worth the risk?
No, and no. If you want to get the message across without violating the law, wear an exposed, empty holster.

tyeo098
February 6, 2011, 08:37 PM
No, and no. If you want to get the message across without violating the law, wear an exposed, empty holster.
Plug the hole with an airsoft 1911 or the likes?

armoredman
February 6, 2011, 09:54 PM
No, leave it empty, or put in a water ballon, OBVIOUS non-gun.

essayons21
February 7, 2011, 03:59 AM
I've seen a few OC demonstrations where people are carrying their pistols openly my question is, if they get arrested, now they have an arrest to explain during background checks.

Its happened a few times here in VA, where unlicensed Open Carry has long been legal. Unfortunately a few local law enforcement agencies and their City Attorneys don't like following state law.

To my knowledge, nearly all of the arrests did not result in charges, and the few that did were thrown out in court. (Including one in which the city claimed that city property was actually private property because the city had contracted with a private firm to manage said property)

A few even ended up with the arresting city paying hefty settlements to the OC'er. All largely due to the efforts of the VCDL, OCDO.org, and its members.

OC "demonstrations" are not civil disobedience. They strictly follow the letter of the law, and still run into legal trouble. Meanwhile, 4:20 rallies are shrouded in a haze of smoke, and public nudity and sex are found at some Gay Pride Rallies, all ignored by law enforcement. What does that say about our society?

Unfortunately, in NY you have few options. Open Carrying as civil disobedience would only hurt the cause, as the media coverage would be "nut job arrested with a gun," and your chances of firearms ownership in the future would evaporate.

An empty holster protest is a good idea, they have had good effects on college campuses where carry has been prohibited. Make sure you check all applicable laws. I highly doubt they could prohibit the wearing of a piece of leather or plastic, but in the post-9/11 era, especially in NYC and "special security zones," common sense and the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments are thrown to the wind.

B166ER
February 7, 2011, 09:49 AM
No, and no. If you want to get the message across without violating the law, wear an exposed, empty holster.

Or put a prop copy of the Bill of Rights in the empty holster...A dual political statement; i.e, The Bill of Rights contains the 2nd Amendment and the Bill of Rights is your weapon/protection.....QED

Carl N. Brown
February 7, 2011, 09:55 AM
A few decades ago, Open Carry protest by Black Panthers in Sacramento California effectively killed Open Carry in California.

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2011, 09:58 AM
if they get arrested, now they have an arrest to explain during background checks.

Simply being arrested is not a disqualifying event for a firearm purchase, at least Federal. Maybe it is there in NYC, not sure.

tyeo098
February 7, 2011, 02:16 PM
+1
This is genius

lloveless
February 8, 2011, 11:21 PM
Open carry with an unloaded gun is legal in California.
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