Ohio gun show signage


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ZeBool
February 7, 2011, 01:38 AM
Quick question guys: My father and I attended a large gun show over in Niles, Ohio over the weekend. The show was held at a large expo center. Now, I have been to several events at the center in the past, and have never seen a no guns sign posted. Saturday however, was a different story. As we approached the doors we saw several "home made" no guns signs. These looked completely different from the uniform state issue no guns signs as they were essentially computer printed "no loaded guns or mags" or "no concealed carry" signs that somebody made themselves.

Whats the legality of this in Ohio? Does it have to be a sign issued by the state? Can someone scribble on a piece of paper and have the same thing? And most importantly, should I have disarmed?

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Aftermath
February 7, 2011, 02:41 AM
Just a guess, maybe someone having an event there thought it was an important enough concern that they made up some signs but never removed them when they were done? Maybe a bit farfetched, I don't know

jonnyc
February 7, 2011, 08:54 AM
Might also be an insurance thing.

NavyLCDR
February 7, 2011, 11:29 AM
It's a private event. They can specify no firearms at their event if they want to. If they want to remove you from the event for carrying a gun they can ask you to leave, and if you don't leave have you removed by the police for trespassing.

Whether or not you should have disarmed is your choice. Do want to respect the wishes of the event sponsors, do you want to not support them for not supporting your rights to carry and not attend, or do you want to not do either and keep it to yourself?

This, BTW, is one way that Seattle, WA enacts a defacto gun ban that would otherwise be illegal - when an organization applies for a permit to use/lease/rent a city owned facility, as part of the permit/lease/rental agreement they have to agree to ban firearms.

rtroha
February 7, 2011, 11:47 AM
Ohio law does not specify how the sign has to look, so a "No Guns" message written in crayon on a paper towel would be completely legal. The one thing Ohio law specifies is that the sign be "conspicuous".

Nor do you have to be "asked to leave" to be guilty of criminal trespass.

a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126

Friendly, Don't Fire!
February 7, 2011, 11:50 AM
How can you have no guns at a gun show!
This is government taken to EXTREME!

ZeBool
February 7, 2011, 01:05 PM
Ok thanks. Also, it was a bit strange because there were numerous vendors who were open carrying as well as people walking around with C&L 1911's on their hips. It was interesting to say the least.

Balrog
February 7, 2011, 01:07 PM
I definitely don't think people ought to take loaded, un-zip tied guns into gun shows.

Too many fools bumbling around with firearms in there.

Here in Georgia a kid about 8 years old was shot in the head and I believed killed at a gun show because someone forgot his gun was loaded.

This is government taken to EXTREME!

How so??? This was a private event.

NavyLCDR
February 7, 2011, 02:09 PM
I definitely don't think people ought to take loaded, un-zip tied guns into gun shows.

Too many fools bumbling around with firearms in there.

Isn't that the same reasoning behind the Brady Campaign and Violence Policy Center in wanting to enact stricter gun control laws? Of course, it is under the guise of "reasonable regulation".

I guess the one big difference is that I would have a choice to attend a "restricted" gun show or not, though.

Balrog
February 7, 2011, 07:57 PM
Isn't that the same reasoning behind the Brady Campaign and Violence Policy Center in wanting to enact stricter gun control laws? Of course, it is under the guise of "reasonable regulation".


Since the gun show is a private venue, the organizers can and should be able to decide the rules. This is entirely different from the government creating laws that abridge the 2nd amendment. I hope you see the difference.

NavyLCDR
February 7, 2011, 08:23 PM
Since the gun show is a private venue, the organizers can and should be able to decide the rules. This is entirely different from the government creating laws that abridge the 2nd amendment. I hope you see the difference.

I see the difference in a private venue banning guns and the government making laws to ban guns, yes.

What I don't see is the difference behind the reasoning to do so. To wit:
Too many fools bumbling around with firearms in there.

That IS one of the reasons the Brady Campaign wants to legislatively ban guns, because they don't trust Joe Citizen to carry them.

deadin
February 7, 2011, 08:49 PM
From reading thye OP's post I don't see where they banned guns, just loaded guns.:confused:

billybob44
February 7, 2011, 11:23 PM
In this area World Class Gun Shows runs 6-8 shows per year at the Indiana State Fair Grounds. This last show(Jan) they charged $10.00 per person($15.00 for 3 day) to get in the door. They charge the Dealers $90.00 for each 8" table to set up for the 3 days. 3-4 IMPD officers check every customer owned firearm that enters the door+they zip tie every one with an orange zip tie. Every Dealer"s firearms must be zip tied with a white zip tie.
The Officers ask customers(with semi-autos) if they have a mag.-they must be bullet free.
When a customer carries a firearm out the door, it must have a zip tie on it-orange or white. If white, they must have a receipt/bill of sale with it.
The Dealers CAN NOT have a firearm on their person/holster/even unloaded, during the show.
World Class Gun Shows have had these shows in the Indy area for around 20 years, and even with all of these regulations, have had some ND's and show before last, had a "Dude" try to steal a handgun off of a Dealers table--the "Dude" was pretty roughed up before the cops showed up, with the bracelets!!:what:

JellyJar
February 8, 2011, 01:19 AM
I have never been to a gun show where I was permitted to have a loaded firearm. And I have been attending gun shows in Texas and Alabama since about 1982.

All the gun shows I have ever attended required that all firearms taken into the facility be checked to make sure there are unloaded and zip ties through the action to make sure.

seldomseen
February 8, 2011, 08:07 AM
I attended the Berea Ohio gun show a couple of weeks ago and encountered the same type of sign on the entrance door. When I asked about the sign, I was told that someone had brought their concealed carry handgun into a show and had a negligent discharge while trying to fit it into a new holster. No one was injured, but the result of that incident was the signs being posted. I unloaded my concealed handgun before entering, and went on about my business. I do not know if what I was told is true and I do not know where/when this incident is supposed to have happened. I also do not know what kind of handgun it was that supposedly was involved in the negiligent discharge.

Davek1977
February 8, 2011, 08:18 AM
I definitely don't think people ought to take loaded, un-zip tied guns into gun shows.

Too many fools bumbling around with firearms in there.

Here in Georgia a kid about 8 years old was shot in the head and I believed killed at a gun show because someone forgot his gun was loaded.

First of all, the kid wasn't shot "because someone forgot his gun was loaded". A child lost his life because some moron failed to exercise the most basic of gun safety rules. Had the 4 rules been followed, that child would still be alive.

That being said, I don't agree with the idea of creating rules and laws for the dumbest one percent of society, nor do I buy the propaganda that we must have such rules "for the kids' sake!!" That line of thinking has been done to death by the Brady bunch, and carries very little weight with me. If adults act like adults and exercise due responsibility, laws mandating gun locks, zip ties at gun shows, etc would be irrelevant. Just because some adults are incapable of acting responsibly doesn't mean we should legislate or cater to the lowest common denominator when making new policies or law. Do you want freedoms determined by the way your neighbor behaves? If your neighbor is a fool, do you wish to be treated as one simply because he has proven they exist?

9mm+
February 8, 2011, 08:30 AM
I attended the Berea Ohio gun show a couple of weeks ago and encountered the same type of sign on the entrance door. When I asked about the sign, I was told that someone had brought their concealed carry handgun into a show and had a negligent discharge while trying to fit it into a new holster. No one was injured, but the result of that incident was the signs being posted. I unloaded my concealed handgun before entering, and went on about my business. I do not know if what I was told is true and I do not know where/when this incident is supposed to have happened. I also do not know what kind of handgun it was that supposedly was involved in the negiligent discharge.

WTH? Who tries to fit a loaded pistol in a new holster!? Well, apparently that Darwin nominee did...geez...:mad:

Balrog
February 9, 2011, 01:12 AM
If adults act like adults and exercise due responsibility, laws mandating gun locks, zip ties at gun shows, etc would be irrelevant. Just because some adults are incapable of acting responsibly doesn't mean we should legislate or cater to the lowest common denominator when making new policies or law. Do you want freedoms determined by the way your neighbor behaves? If your neighbor is a fool, do you wish to be treated as one simply because he has proven they exist?

My freedoms are compromised in I voluntarily agree not to carry a loaded weapon into a gun show as a condition for admission.

sxcamaro05
February 10, 2011, 05:21 AM
This gun show is put on every 3-4 months at the Expo, it is hardly what I call large. They do post these signs every time and no loaded mags/gun are allowed inside and all guns coming in must be checked (they also zip tie guns/require cases). I've heard from a few people involved with selling during these they can carry non-loaded arms and that the primary reason given for the ban is insurance and concerns for safety. I witnessed an older gentleman escorted from the show because as he struggled with them because he snuck in his 32 revolver. Told the cops "To mind their own f*****g business". Guess who got a ride in a cruiser. Bottom line, they can make the rules and we have to follow them. Nothing special, just the way it is.

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