Thinking of buying a nagant.


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SimplyChad
February 7, 2011, 02:32 AM
Ok heres the deal I think Im finally gonna break down and get a Mosin. The local Big 5 has them on sale for like 69 buck. What should I look out for when buying? This will prolly just be a coyote/truck gun but i want decent accuracy.

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Birdmang
February 7, 2011, 02:36 AM
Look for a star on the top of the receiver.

funnelcake
February 7, 2011, 02:38 AM
Check headspace if you have a gauge; all of the rearsenaled rifles (most common) I've checked have passed fine. Check bore condition if doable enough (doesn't necessarily need to be pristine to shoot well). Lots of variations to choose from based on your taste & appeal.

Funnel

shiftyer1
February 7, 2011, 02:41 AM
For that price i'll take 5!!!!!!

oerllikon
February 7, 2011, 03:15 AM
69? dont think, do.

But seriously, theyre all decent with hex receivers being more desirable with some other foreign ones being nicer

gatornavy
February 7, 2011, 03:55 AM
I agree, buy one, but dont worry about the furniture, since most soviet ammo is corrosive instead inspect the bore and bolt for pitting, wear, corrosion, etc.

Rocketmedic
February 7, 2011, 07:04 AM
Do it, man. The Moisin is a joy to shoot. I can usually outshoot some ARs with mine at 50-200 meters and some patience.

Plus its tough, cheap, cheap to feed, and its Communist. What's not to love?

killchain
February 7, 2011, 07:15 AM
Ok heres the deal I think Im finally gonna break down and get a Mosin. The local Big 5 has them on sale for like 69 buck. What should I look out for when buying? This will prolly just be a coyote/truck gun but i want decent accuracy.
BUY THAT.

You can't beat a $70 Mosin Nagant.

Ammo is cheap. Rifle is super tough. Accurate enough for the price.

Trust me. DO IT. Buy two. BUY THREE. Give them to your family members. Keep them in a trunk in the closet. Use them as boat paddles! Crutches! Tent pegs, war clubs!

fallout mike
February 7, 2011, 07:54 AM
If you absolutely despise it you are out $70. You can't go wrong. I really like mine.

brnmuenchow
February 7, 2011, 12:29 PM
I got mine at I.O. Inc. it is an Ishvesk 1943 issue and it is deadly accurate. As far as furniture goes ATI sells synthetic furniture for it but I personally have not used it. I got mine for about $100. As far as ammo goes I don't really use the corrosive stuff I don't shoot it that much to really consider that kind of cost saving. But I generally use modern current production russian, serbian, or czech 150gr.FMJ(target) / 150gr.SP for hunting.
Good luck you will love it!

SimplyChad
February 7, 2011, 07:41 PM
Ok other then the star and normal checks anything specal I need to look for

Frozen North
February 7, 2011, 07:51 PM
It will kill anything that walks in North America and it costs as much as 3 cases of beer. Everyone should own a MN!!!

SGW42
February 7, 2011, 08:21 PM
70 bucks, what's to lose!

Check for matching numbers. Receiver and bolt are most important, but nice to have mag bottom and butt plate matched too.

Check the muzzle. Make sure you get all the "goodies" they usually come with (bayo, oil can, ammo pouch, sling, etc).

M.C.
February 7, 2011, 08:32 PM
I love my Nagant... it was a Christmas present from my wife last year... can't go wrong with it. I took it to the indoor range last week, the other people shooting didn't know what to expect when that ol' russian ammo went BOOM :D:D:D

They all took a step back to see what I was shooting because it was a lot meaner looking and sounding than their 10/22.

I would love to buy a M44. I don't have one of those yet... I have a 91/30, but I put the ATI stock on it... I would like another one to leave in it's traditional woody goodness. :D

hirundo82
February 7, 2011, 09:03 PM
Look for a pre-WWII one. The Soviets got pretty desperate during the war, especially '42 and '43, and were cranking guns out as fast as they could. Quality control was virtually nonexistent at that point.

I have a '36 Tula and a '43 Ishevsk, and the difference in fit and finish is quite noticeable.

caribou
February 7, 2011, 11:02 PM
Is the shellack intact? If so, or at least "mostly" and theres cosmo, it probly "is" right outta the crate, but ask the sales man.....

In 1946 there was a general armaments refurbishment program in Russia, that lasted untill 1954.
All small arms were counted up, cataloged, refurbed, destroyed, given to new satalight countrys or finally packed away for WW III.
If its a refurb, it was checked for throat erosion, obvious bore damage, bad chambers, and rebarreled if in need, headspaced, firing pin protrusion set, extractor checked, wood repaired or replaced, reblued, the sights are brought to the Soviet point of impact, then it as smacked with inspector marks, a "refurb box" , then restamped or electropenciled #'s onto any replacement parts to have "matching" serial numbers, then shellack'd to protect the wood, cosmolined to protect the metal and stored for later wars that never called.

If has a square with a slash diagonally through it, it was refurrbished, and the box will be on the buttstock and on the chamber.

Clean it of cosmo, especcailly the chamber, I use gasoline and a good scrub, I mean a REAL GOOD SCRUB!!! in that chamber 'cause the cosmo can be in there ,dryed on shiney, but definitly there and give you trouble with "sticky Chamber" syndrom.......get that cosmo OUT!


Its a rimmed cartridge, they headspace on the thickness of the rim, not the chamber. Its never a problem with Mosins, ever.

What you need to watch is the fireing pin protrusion, if ever you remove the fireing pin, you will have to use the simple protrusion gauge on the side of your soviet issued Mosin Nagant Screw driver/pin gauge/wrench tool, in your Soviet issue cleaning kit.


Then go shoot it to your hearts delight.


Keep it clean and enjoy!

Rancho Relaxo
February 7, 2011, 11:38 PM
Agree with the statement of prewar 91/30s being better made, though my '42 Ishevsk (sp?) is MUCH more accurate than my '28 Tula Dragoon conversion. The '28 is a much neater rifle with the hex receiver and better overall quality. I have been accused of being "unstable" after revealing that I spent $80 on a Timney trigger and more cash on a Mojo sight, but I really think they were worth it. My '42 is epoxy bedded and a joy to shoot, accuracy is great too. Got a 1.5" group at 100 with it last weekend, though a 10 shot group with .312" Hornadys and Varget measured 3.5". Still happy with it though.

Ruddie
February 8, 2011, 01:52 AM
Most of the Nagants you buy from stores have been "re arsenal" which means they have most likely been counter bored. This effects the accuracy a bit but isn't anything to freak out about. I have three and love them all. The 91/30 is a bit long but serves its purpose. I've also deer hunted with it and can say it does what it needs to to the deer. If they have a M38 or M44 that would be better for a truck gun. They are a good bit shorter and are still accurate. I wish I could get them for $70 around here. They are $100 plus here.
BTW the counter boring is from the corrosive ammo that was pumped through them during the war.

geo57
February 8, 2011, 01:35 PM
Chad, as others here have advised, you won't be sorry you bought a MN 91/30 for that amount. While having a " star " ( meaning Tula arsenal ) on the barrel just ahead of the receiver is a good thing, it's not really that big of a deal, and it's much more common to have a triangle with an arrow inside it ( meaning Izhevsk arsenal ) instead of a star there. Also, don't fret if it is counterbored. While it may make a difference to a collector, it likely will not make it shoot any worse, and infact, some shooters prefer having them counterbored, as the muzzle end will be even again. Rough & improper cleaning methods had a lot more to do with the need to counterbore than corrosive ammo did. If it were due to a lack of cleaning after corrosive being shot, the entire barrel would be effected, not just the last inch or so of the barrel. I have both counterbore and non-counterbore, Tula and Izhevsk Mosin Nagant 91/30's, a M44 and a M38 & they all shoot very well. I've taken deer with both rifle and carbine length Mosins, and they both have some advantages over the other. Strive to find one with the best possible bore. Once you get one, be sure to remove ALL cosmoline from it, paying special attention to the chamber to avoid extraction grief. IMO, they are an unbeatable value in the milsurp world if one is looking for a shooter. They are simply a hoot to shoot. Best of luck in your quest.

SimplyChad
February 8, 2011, 08:45 PM
It's a 1936 Tula with a good bore all matching numbers haven't picked it up yet. Waiting to get the bent bolt so I have a reason with the mrs.

caribou
February 9, 2011, 01:42 AM
Counter boreing was done to recrown the the barrel, usually having to deal with accurace and muzzle erosin. The crown is also being better protected by the recess, going anwhere from 1/4th - 1-1/2 inches deep. This was to restore accuracy to a still very usable barrel.
The use of corrosive ammunition wasnt the direct cause of muzzle erosion, but was a factor indeed, as using corrosive ammo DEMANDED atention and cleaning, and this was often improperly done with out the cleaning kits bore guard , the cap with the hole in it for the cleaning rod to pass safely through the muzzle, also called the 'cleaning rod guide'. This cap kept the steel off the steel, often rubbing a flaw into the crown with the cleaning.
During rearsenal, all parts were brought back into spec, or replaced and a collector aquiring a counter bore on a rifle with a refurb mark is getting exactly what the collector wants, a "correct" period rifle with marks to prove so...... A collector who wants no counterbore probly isnt interested in the electropenciled remactch on the replacement parts either.
Collectors want certain arms, from certain times in certain conditions, often with certain marks. Rearsenals are mix match masters, and the exact reason the Finn Modles of Mosin are jokeingly called "Finn Matched" ~~LOL!!~~ The Finns cared only for caccuray First.
None of this matters to the shooter/user, 'cause accuracy is the ONLY matter when it come to a shooter, everything else is secondary....

Sam I Am
February 9, 2011, 02:50 AM
For $69, you need to look for five things.

1) Bolt (is there one)
2) Barrell (is there one)
3) Receiver (is there one and are the previous two attached?)
4) Trigger (is there one)
5) Stock (are all the above components in one?)

Seriously though, for $69, you're probably looking at a common round receiver. Nothing wrong with them. Not as collectible as a hex receiver for $79. Lol

I love my 91/30. It is very accurate for what it is and for that price, even if it isn't, I can keep it in my boat and let it serve double duty. It can shoot water moccasins and serve as an anchor. I dare anyone to find another shootable boat anchor for $69. :)

scrood?
February 9, 2011, 02:55 AM
the main issue is you have a high powered rifle with no scope, and adding a scope costs a couple hundred minimum. You have to modify the bolt handle, and get a mount that either requires a long eye relief or spend a fortune on a side mount setup.

I like using sites but without a scope whats the point of so much power?

wow6599
February 9, 2011, 10:07 AM
I like using sites but without a scope whats the point of so much power?
If there is a feisty, four legged animal coming your way at say 25 -50 yards, I'll take the Mosin and you can have my Savage MKII (.22LR BA) with it's ProStaff 3-9x40 on it........or do you want the 7.56x54R back? ;)

scrood?
February 9, 2011, 10:26 AM
ill take a 223 with scope, will cost about the same as a mosin with scope.

besides, in my area the most it would be is a pitbull and a 22 will be fine way to go

gidaeon
February 9, 2011, 10:41 AM
Well worth the cost. At the store the bore may have cosmoline and be hard to check. Don't worry too much. I have a 32 izzy with a pitted barrel that surprises me at 100yds. With surplus ammo. For 69 you'll be happy.

Get a ammo tin of 440rds. For 90 or so.

Rancho Relaxo
February 9, 2011, 10:54 AM
ill take a 223 with scope, will cost about the same as a mosin with scope.

Not sure where you can buy a scoped 223 for the price of a Mosin with a scout scope.

courtgreene
February 9, 2011, 11:20 AM
I have 100 dollars into my scoped mosin nagant. I don't know if a .223 WITHOUT scope that can be had for that price.

phoglund
February 9, 2011, 01:43 PM
They are a fun gun for the price and a blast to shoot. (Pun intended). I have a 91/30, two M38s and a M44. All great fun, shoot a serious but inexpensive round and are true historical arms. Not much to go wrong there.

Ruddie
February 14, 2011, 06:38 AM
I just bought 440 rounds for $105 and some jingle after taxes to add to my surplus..... and 2 refill bottles of ammonia based glass cleaner for good measure.... trees and targets beware...

Ruddie
February 14, 2011, 06:41 AM
ill take a 223 with scope, will cost about the same as a mosin with a scope.
I want a 223 scoped for that price...... Where and how much (realistically)?

robmkivseries70
February 14, 2011, 10:05 AM
A couple of things for the new Mosin Nagant owner. Learn how to clean the rifle when shooting corrosive ammo. The rifles are stored with the action screws loose, be sure to tighten them before shooting. Thoroughly clean the bore, action and rifle in general before shooting. I like to tear mine down and get a good look at the internals. Enjoy!
Best,
Rob

towboat_er
February 14, 2011, 10:47 AM
Should the screws be loosened after shooting?

hirundo82
February 14, 2011, 10:53 AM
Should the screws be loosened after shooting?

Not unless you're planning on storing it for another 60 years like the Soviets did after WWII.

Ruddie
February 22, 2011, 01:04 AM
Should the screws be loosened after shooting?
... I'm sure they will loosen themselves after firing it a few times....

Jon Coppenbarger
February 22, 2011, 02:02 AM
Bought 2 of them today but paid $79 from someone else. one was cleaned with a slightly dirty bore but not bad and the other is still packed in cosmoline. it came with all of the extras but have not opened the bag or tried the baynet on it.
Will get some surplus ammo for it and stick them away. may take one of them out and shoot it.
one is a 1942 and one a 1943 both have all matching numbers with no forced matching on anything. NO counter bores and the 43 has brass metal on the top hand guard which is cool.

Should be fun to shoot.

caribou
February 22, 2011, 03:31 AM
If your screws are litterally loose, TIGHTEN them.......!!
That screw driver issed with the cleaning kit is handy, as is the tip on the bayonet.

It wont feed well or be accurate at all if the action is jumping around. Shotgun type patterns....
This can also lead to a cracked stock if the action is slamming into it with slack in the action/wood fit.
Snug 'em down hand tight, and check on them now and then.

7.62X54R denys cover as it will shoot right through walls, trees and cars, while .223 wont. That can be a real help.

snake284
February 22, 2011, 03:48 AM
I have one 91/30. It is in damn near pristine condition. I redid the stock in Shellack and she looks fantastic. I have had her two years now and haven't shot her. I need to buy me some ammo and go have a blast (pun intended here too!).

Mr. Farknocker
July 13, 2012, 12:49 AM
Since it sounds like a hit-n-miss with regard to the quality of these old guns, would you strongly recommend against ordering one online?

tahunua001
July 13, 2012, 01:01 AM
it might have been better to start a new thread than to resurrect this one... I mean seriously? 69 dollars at big 5? right now they advertise the mosin nagant as $159 regular price but I'm getting ahead of myself...
I've bought 2 mosin nagants. I ordered one online, it is an ATI imported 1942 Izhevsk in beautiful condition. they even cleaned the gear and sealed it in plastic so it wouldn't get cosmoline rubbed all over it. the other I bought in person. it is a century arms imported model also a 1942 Izhevsk but the difference is night and day. the handguard on the century was kindof mangled and the stock was in much rougher shape. it was literally dripping with cosmoline and all of the accessories also are drenched in the stuff. the tool marks on it are atrocious even by MN standards. I decided that there was probably little collectors value in the century so I sporterized it and left the ATI as it was. you are just going to have to take a gamble. personal experience compels me to urge you to get an ATI rather than a century import but I don't know whether it is a problem with the importers just not giving a crap or if there really is just that much variance in guns.

Nugilum
July 13, 2012, 01:54 AM
It's alive....

ALIVE!!

:what:

They're averaging ~$125.00 here. If you look around...

SimplyChad
July 13, 2012, 07:05 AM
All in all I ended up buying 5 of them ranging for a 36 tula to a 44 IZ i think. The only one that had any issues was from 43 Tula IIRC. Rest were a lil ugly but shot straight. A little high but straight.



And tahunua When I posted this they were having like a half off sale on them. Regular price 129 IIRC agian.

tahunua001
July 13, 2012, 09:29 AM
And tahunua When I posted this they were having like a half off sale on them. Regular price 129 IIRC agian.
I'm sure that was the case, I was just saying though that their super coupon deal on them right now is somwhere in the $125 range which shows just how much these things have appreciated.

Roadking Rider
July 13, 2012, 12:57 PM
I paid $110 for my Refurbed 1942 Izzy locally. That is a great price and as others have mentioned it's pretty hard not to love a Mosin for that money. I did refinish my laminated stock though. Was quite suprised to see what a beautiful piece of lumber was under all that mess. It's definately a lot of fun to shoot and is more accurate then I would have believed. Only thing I've noticed is the inside of the barrel does seem to rust up when sitting for a while. Not quite sure how it would work out being a truck gun.

Mr. Farknocker
July 13, 2012, 02:26 PM
The reason why I asked is because I haven't seen any for sale locally in our gun shops but have seen them going for sale as low as $89 online, excluding shipping. For $10, the retailer offers you a"hand selected" rifle and for another $15, they'll send you a Tula made one. Add $61 for shipping to me and $30 for the FFL and I'm looking at $180 to $205.

tahunua001
July 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
if you can get them from aimsurplus before they sell out and opt for the best of 5 then you are probably golden then. I don't now if they clean them up in house or not.

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