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B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
February 7, 2011, 09:37 PM
I was thinking of building my next rifle but I have a few questions. Would I have to buy a stamp to build this kit?

http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=231

Do any of you guys have any experience with this company?

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earlthegoat2
February 7, 2011, 09:52 PM
You would not need a stamp for the separate parts (as in the kit unassembled) but you would if you were to make it into a rifle.

You can also get a different muzzle brake that is long enough to make it 16" or more and permanently afix it onto the end and you would not need a stamp.

That is how I interpret the law at least.

Of course that is also why I dont own any NFAs.

It says in your link it is for short barreled rifle (SBR) and that all NFA rules apply meaning it would need a tax stamp. But it did say for short barreled RIFLE not short barreled barrel. So you can still legally own the barrel according to that site.

B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
February 7, 2011, 10:05 PM
That's the way I was interpretting the rules but wasn't 100%. Thanks.

snakeman
February 7, 2011, 10:45 PM
Model 1 is a good company. So is j&t but they are very slow... you might also look at del-ton.

jmorris
February 7, 2011, 10:50 PM
I have one of their 10.5" kits. I built it as a pistol and it ran like a top. I then sent in the SBR form 1, once it came back approved I put a stock on.

B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
February 7, 2011, 10:53 PM
How long was the wait for your approval?

Zerodefect
February 7, 2011, 11:56 PM
It's just a 14.5, don't bother getting a stamp. Just have an A2X flash hider pinned or welded to your barrel to get it up to 16.1"

BCM has such a thing in stock allmost allways.

madcratebuilder
February 8, 2011, 08:18 AM
I have one of their 10.5" kits. I built it as a pistol and it ran like a top. I then sent in the SBR form 1, once it came back approved I put a stock on.
If your lower is registered as a pistol then putting a stock on it is illegal.

Tirod
February 8, 2011, 08:21 AM
While the short barrel has a certain appeal, it really doesn't do anything significantly better or worse - except take more money out of your wallet getting the stamp or pinning the flash hider.

Although the 16" limit seems an onerous restriction, what it does best is generate revenue.

Very few carbine owners need the shorter barrel to negotiate hallways or interior corridors in CQB, vice versa, few shooters would see much difference at longer ranges with increased speed and more reliable bullet expansion with hunting rounds. It boils down to the "cool" factor, do you want to spend extra to say it's an SBR, or nearly?

There's such a small incremental difference in performance I didn't bother on my build, save the money for more ammo or a nicer red dot is what I choose. The finished gun will perform better and so will the shooter. It's like looking at it from Uncle Sam's view, what do you really get for the money?

All those M4's in the inventory and the Marines still issue the M16A4, the Army put 20" barreled rifles back into the hands of better shooters as the SDM. Some considered the overall results from M4's weak enough to justify inventing the 6.8SPC to compensate the reduced performance of 5.56 from a short barrel. That's been a popular choice for the 16" barrel as it gives 40% more power.

Just another way to look at it -

Sam1911
February 8, 2011, 08:23 AM
If your lower is registered as a pistol then putting a stock on it is illegal.

You've gotta read all the words! ;)

He said, "I then sent in the SBR form 1 ..." So it is now a registered Short Barreled Rifle, and thus legal to put a stock on. (Or not, as he wishes.)

B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
February 8, 2011, 02:22 PM
While the short barrel has a certain appeal, it really doesn't do anything significantly better or worse - except take more money out of your wallet getting the stamp or pinning the flash hider.

Although the 16" limit seems an onerous restriction, what it does best is generate revenue.

Very few carbine owners need the shorter barrel to negotiate hallways or interior corridors in CQB, vice versa, few shooters would see much difference at longer ranges with increased speed and more reliable bullet expansion with hunting rounds. It boils down to the "cool" factor, do you want to spend extra to say it's an SBR, or nearly?

There's such a small incremental difference in performance I didn't bother on my build, save the money for more ammo or a nicer red dot is what I choose. The finished gun will perform better and so will the shooter. It's like looking at it from Uncle Sam's view, what do you really get for the money?

All those M4's in the inventory and the Marines still issue the M16A4, the Army put 20" barreled rifles back into the hands of better shooters as the SDM. Some considered the overall results from M4's weak enough to justify inventing the 6.8SPC to compensate the reduced performance of 5.56 from a short barrel. That's been a popular choice for the 16" barrel as it gives 40% more power.

Just another way to look at it -
I like the idea of the 6.8 but the ammo isn't available locally.

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