S&W Model of 1899 M&P. Finally found one.


February 8, 2011, 07:58 PM
Picked this up today. Serial number 197XX. Matching serial numbers (cylinder, barrel and frame). Timing is good. Very little endshake. Appears to be the original finish. Clean bore. Paid $375.00 for it at a local pawnshop. I'm very excited with my find. Notice it looks like a colt. In 1902 S&W went with the locking lug in front of the ejector rod. It's a 38 special. A little over 20,000 of this configuration were made between 1899 - 1902.

The hammer and trigger are from another gun. The originals would be casehardened. But I figure for a 109 year old revolver I've done okay.

I do plan on shooting it, but I'll be using the classic 38 special 158 grain LRN only. And no marathon shooting sessions either.

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February 8, 2011, 08:16 PM
well done you lucky guy!!

February 8, 2011, 08:28 PM
color me green with jealousy. I have not been able to find one that nice.

February 8, 2011, 08:46 PM
Thanks. It had actually sat in the pawnshop for sale for almost a year. Nobody was interested in it. Until I came along. Guess I can count myself lucky that I live in an area where there aren't that many collectors of classic S&W revolvers.

February 8, 2011, 09:42 PM
It looks to be in pretty good shape for its age.

February 9, 2011, 03:27 AM
Thats a magnificent find. Congratulations. :)

February 9, 2011, 05:56 AM

Congrats on a great find; made even better in that you found it locally like you did. Let us know how the range session goes.

Old Fuff
February 9, 2011, 10:36 AM
At the time it was made (1899 - 1902), most .38 Special ammunition was still loaded with black powder. You have indeed made a great find, but if you must shoot it be very careful what you feed it. The cylinder is made from low-carbon steel and not heat treated. If you go to smokeless, consider using .38 Long Colt data. Black powder of course should be safe.

February 9, 2011, 10:41 AM
Allright I'll do that. Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that standard 38 special was okay since the 1899 was introduced at the beginning of the smokeless powder era. But I will not argue with you Old Fuff. And once again you are right about collecting K frames. It's been seven years since you gave me that advice. I still have my Model of 1905 3rd Change by the way. The start of my S&W collecting.

February 9, 2011, 01:41 PM

February 9, 2011, 01:44 PM
I've had some old aftermarket pearl grips sitting in my safe for years. My guess is they were made in the early 20th century. Pre WWII. I put them on the 1899 and they just seem to fit. I've never been a fan of pearl grips, but on the 1899 M&P they look right. Like something you might have encountered in a Kansas City Cathouse circa 1901. :cool:

Old Fuff
February 9, 2011, 11:34 PM
I am always amused by remarks made by some concerning pearl stocks, because during the late 19th and early 20th centuries some very hairy gunfighters and lawmen – including Texas Rangers – favored them. The fact that they are brittle and easy to chip or crack didn’t seen to make any difference, the Old Fuff for one, would hesitate to make derogatory remarks in the presence of such individuals – at least to their face. :uhoh:

February 10, 2011, 01:14 AM
Hi Checkman,

I second the mention by Old Fuff to limit your Ammunition to Bkack Powder Loadings for this Revolver.

Learn about making correct Organic Plant and Insect Based Wax Lube Wafers, for placing between Powder and Bullet, and, you will have no fouling to be worth mentioning, and, clean up will be a snap.

While vastly kinder to the Gun, and, of course needing a little warm Soap and Water clean up after, the 158 Grain plain Lead Bullet of the old standard Loading, will if anything, be just as fast or faster for FPS, than the same weight Bullet of any standard Loading off the shelf .38 special Ammunition now.

It is no slouch.

A standard Loading Black Powder Cartridge for your S & W Model of 1899, will feel more like a +P when fired, and, will have more and deeper of a report, and, what seems l like more recoil than a +P.

A good Black Powder, and, you will likely be well into the 700s of FPS with the 158 Grain Bullet with your Barrel Length....maybe even high 700s.

If you had the long Barrel version of the S & W M 1899, in theory, you would be around 950 FPS.

Pearl, as with Ivory also, is a material which somehow permits the Hand to grip with more friction, than Walnut or other Woods tend to do.

It makes sense to me from a sheer practical point of view, that people to whom this mattered, would have elected Pearl or Ivory Stocks for their Carry Revolvers.

Others of course, prefer or preferred these materials, for their look.

It is also interesting to me, that Mother of Pearl, as with all Sea Shells, is basically Calcium Carbonate.

Our own Bones and Teeth of course, as with Ivory, are also Molecular combinations of Calcium, Magnesium, Boron, Phosphorous, Carbon etc.

Calcium and all these others, are Metals, ( though of course Carbon is not ) and, this may be verified by an appeal to the Periodic Table of elements, if one doubts it.

Our own endoskeletens, and, the exoskeletens of Mullosks etc, are essentially elemental Metals arranged in Molecular composition with Carbon and other Elements, though we normally would never think of them in that way.

So, in a manner of thinking, or speaking, a Revolver having Ivory or Mother of Pearl Stocks, is in effect, all Metal, or, all Alloys of Metal, even if some of that Alloy occurred Organically.


February 10, 2011, 10:50 AM
I noticed that the pearl grips don't seem as slick as the black hard rubber grips. I also notice that the pearl grips just seem to fill the hand better than the old S&W black rubber grips.

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