domestic violence and the military question


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scrood?
February 8, 2011, 10:40 PM
Stupid question on domestic violence. Back in 1998 or 1999 I was enlisted in the air force. I invited some little thing over to my dorm room. Short story, she was nuts and I ended up asking her to leave. Later that night she got caught shoplifting on base and made up a story about how I hit her to try to get out of it.

I was taken down to the police station on base and asked to give a report. This was all handled by the base police, though the local sheriff did show up to take the girl from base.

I denied it of course. A week or two later my supervisor "wrote me up" with something called a "letter of admonishment" to put into my file. I cant recall what the letter said but the jist of it was that the situation I created was bad and I cuased it by making poor choices. These latters are handed out for anything like that, including mouthing off, being late etc..

I was very angry and changed my plans to re-enlist. A couple years later when my enlistment was up in a futile attempt to get me to stay, my supervisors boss took the letter from my filed an ripped it up in front of me. Too bad for him I got out anyways.

I have passed several NICS checks and purchased several firearms. However I recently applied for a CCW permit and I forgot about this situation until recently. I konw the CCW process is much more manual and I think at most there would be a police report somewhere on this. I live in a shall issue state though.

The letter I mentioned is the only form of punishment I got and I never saw a judge, court martial, lawer or got an article 15.

I assume if I was convicted it would include those things but not sure how it works in the military.

Does this count as a conviction of violence or domestic violence? If it were in my military file would they even be able to find it? I have a completely honorable discharge with what I think or positive reentry codes.

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NavyLCDR
February 8, 2011, 11:08 PM
Does this count as a conviction of violence or domestic violence?

No, absolutely does not.

If it were in my military file would they even be able to find it?

I doubt it. Typically all that would show up would be a court martial. All that will show up is your characterization of discharge, which will be honorable if you simply got out at your EAOS.

towboat_er
February 8, 2011, 11:12 PM
Agrees with NavyLT.
And that is what I disliked about the AF also.

scrood?
February 8, 2011, 11:13 PM
Yeah no court martial, no court at all. No punishment either, except that letter.

How does domestic violence charges/convictions usually go down in the air force or navy where the person does not need to handle firearms? Like if you work on airplanes etc.

NavyLCDR
February 8, 2011, 11:22 PM
In the Navy, a new message just came out this year that a Sailor can be separated from Naval service (administratively) due to being ineligible to carry a firearm. More and more the Navy is being deployed to shore locations that require the issuing of firearms AND on top of that, the Navy is facing a 10% cut right off the top of manpower in the next 2 years due to the budget crisis. So they are looking for any reason to separate persons.

BTW, I am the small arms and ammunition accountability officer for a command of over 1,000 personnel. Before anyone in my command is issued a firearm, I review their records for disqualifying factors. I have a little bit more access to service records than an outside agency would. I would not consider your case, if it is as described, to disqualify you from being issued a firearm.

And, another BTW, I am an Aviation Maintenance Officer and all the personnel in my command DO work maintenance on aircraft components...

scrood?
February 8, 2011, 11:31 PM
Can you check my records? They are as described best to my memory. The only thing I dont know is what that letter said exactly.

NavyLCDR
February 8, 2011, 11:33 PM
Nope. I only have access to active duty records of personnel in my command.

scrood?
February 8, 2011, 11:36 PM
Im not too worried about it, but you never know how miltary actions translate into the real world.

If I lived in a my issue state, it could be a problem, but its shall issue! So they would have to prove I was convicted.

Thanks for your help man!

Oh, do you know where I can lookup re-entry codes, the ones I have listed on my 214?

NavyLCDR
February 8, 2011, 11:41 PM
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blcodemenu.htm

scrood?
February 8, 2011, 11:51 PM
sep code: MBK
re-renty code: 1J

NavyLCDR
February 9, 2011, 12:19 AM
MBK means you just got out at the end or your contract.

1J means you got out voluntarily and are eligible to re-enlist.

scrood?
February 9, 2011, 12:23 AM
Thanks. Im pretty sure Im clear but thought I would ask in case they ask about it. No trial, no judge = no conviction. They would have to go forward and prove I was convicted, at most they would have a police report of some ghetto girl making accusations, I can only guess where she is these days, probably a meth addict

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